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My family are hunters...some quite avid. The eat what they kill. A couple have been given a waiver regarding the limit. This portion is donated to food banks in the surrounding area.

I've never heard of any type of hazing. My family takes hunting, safety, etc very seriously. Nothing that's been described has ever been mentioned.
 
I don't have a lot of sympathy for Mr. Markle. My bottom line is a good father would never have engaged with the press and expose his daughter to any potential embarrassment. She was poised to make her official debut on one of the biggest stages in the world in a country not her own and her father couldn't figure out a private way to address his situation? Her mom had no problem showing up, smiling politely and keeping quiet. If dad had issues and couldn't solve them himself and wasn't getting any help all he had to do was follow mom's playbook #3. He couldn't do something that simple for the daughter he loves?

I don't understand why people think Harry's mention of baldness/balding was the dig or the insult. The knockout punch was him trying to strip William of connection to their mom with the statement that William's resemblance to mom had faded away. Clearly Harry is attempting to turf out their mother as his and his alone. Both of them lost their mother. Harry can write that and actually look himself in the mirror and claim William has done so much to hurt him? Talk about below the waterline.

It's tragic to watch someone so firmly in the grip of a psychological struggle go about this so publicly, which only piles on the mountain he will have to climb if and when he ever does take real steps towards addressing his mental health.
 
Just a PS ~ Harry always seem to talk as if he and William are the only grandchildren of the Queen. There were some that came before them and some that came after them. There are some that have been quite successful in having a private life with private sector jobs AND also handling some royal duties. Some have been fulltime royals or have full time private sector careers. Harry could have been like them. He is one of eight grandchildren. Once William had three children of his own securing the line of succession, Harry was free to pursue a life similar to his adult cousins. His youngest cousins have been the most proper respectful of the monarchy kids, so impressed by them (Queen loved their mother). He is no more special than his other cousins and he has lots to learn from them.
I have noticed Harry does that more often. When he talks about Diana, he presents himself as 'I am my mother's son', as if William is not or less of her son than he is. I had another example, but I lost that thought while typing.
 
We know Harry is not an avid reader or a scholar, so he probably didn't go back to fact-check his own claims. More surprisingly he had no people to do it for him.

Some things Harry misremembered:
- The death of the Queen Mother.
According to Harry he was at Eton on a warm day. According to the press reports back then, William and Harry were abroad on a skiing trip.
- King Henry VI who founded Eton is his ancestor.
According to Harry Henry VI is his 6x great grandfather, Henry VI had one son who died childless.
- Harry got an Xbox for his 13th birthday
Touching story and probably he misremembers the brand, but the first Xbox came out 4 years after Harry's 13th birthday.
- What was Meghan wearing on their first date?
According to Meghan she wore a blue dress, a piece of that fabric was part of her something blue sewed into her wedding dress. According to Harry she wore jeans.
- They booked an Air New Zealand flight from Mexico to the UK for Meghan's father.
Air New Zealand never offered flights from Mexico to the UK (I am willing to give him a pass that it was a code-share, and Harry probably mainly flies on tickets booked for him)
- Harry likes to shop at TK Maxx, during their special sales.
TK Maxx is happy with Harry's business, but they don't have a special sale. Their prices are always low.

Some things are bigger than others, but some could also have been very easily solved. Meghan must have read several versions of the book. How did she not notice the first date error, and if she did, why not say it?

They must have known that every comma would be studied by royal reporters and fans.
 
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I have noticed Harry does that more often. When he talks about Diana, he presents himself as 'I am my mother's son', as if William is not or less of her son than he is. I had another example, but I lost that thought while typing.
Harry seems to have fully embraced his Narcissistic behavior over the last few years. He appears to be quite proud and comfortable spewing "his truths". Dang he's downright enjoying it. No concerns over the family he wants to reconcile with or worries how it may harm the innocent children involved either. Personally I think he's past the point of no return. The door needs to be shut, locked, barred, nailed and the key thrown away. He and the wife are dangerous. IMO
 
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That's another thing that's so strange. It has to be public.
If the story is true: Kate made Meg cry, and a day later she came by to apologize. And she (later?) told Meghan that she knew it was her mistake, she made Meghan cry.

So, that's an apology, personal, 1-1, not flashy. How it should be handled. But Harry didn't like it because there was no one speaking out in the press that it was Kate to defend Meghan. It's all about image. It's not about the personal relationships.

While a very good reason not to report it to the media is that you want to look like a normal functioning family.
I can easily see where it's possible Kate brought flowers by because once she thought back on the situation she realized Meghan was likely stressed to the level Kate could relate to remembering back to the days leading up to her own wedding. The only differences for Kate were the solid family support, long-term relationship with William and being on home soil. Beyond that she was also an outsider, a commoner, marrying into the aristocracy. I'm sure she understood the nerves and the stress under those spotlights and eyes. Kate's gesture could have been meant in the spirit of solidarity, not to apologize for raising the issue with the dress, and in fact overlooking Meghan's rudeness.

Harry's own telling of the tale points to Meghan being the one in the wrong. But of course he is entirely incapable of ever recognizing, let alone acknowledging that.
 
What I find remarkable is how everyone assumes that they know what is going on. Up until Harry started speaking, EVERYONE blamed Meghan. SHE was the one that was alienating him from his family. She was the one that had all of the issues and dragging poor Harry into it. Funny how now that Harry is telling his story, that now he is a "spoiled brat". So many people are so sure that they just KNOW what is going on behind the scenes and making outlandish statements. It is kind of funny how emotionally invested some are in this situation and how angry some are. You don't even know these people.

I don't agree with this statement at all. I don't believe everyone blamed "Meghan". In fact, I don't think the press was that negative toward Meghan either. Kate and William have also had both negative and positive press. Same as H&M. It is what it is.

I also don't agree with your statement that people are emotionally invested or angry. At least not on this board. Harry has written a book. It is a book that says here is my truth. Now judge it. He knows the Palace will not release their own truth. He is saying hey guys, now pick sides and pick mine. This is just another topic out in the news to bounce ideas on. A break from real life. Just like I'm sure you have topics that interest you, this topic is interesting to others. The only outlandish statements being made so far are coming from the very ones whining about how unfair they have been treated.

Also, it isn't a surprise Harry is spoiled and has unlimited funds. Or at least had. The brat part is coming in because his free cottage wasn't good enough, or his furniture wasn't antique enough? Or Kate didn't bow down to the wedding concerns? If that doesn't constitute a brat mentality not sure what does. I don't think H&M can ever be thankful and the Palace will never be able to please them. There is something going on inside them that needs work. I hope one day they are able to find that help and live a beautiful quite life with their two beautiful children just as they wanted. I guess my point is if you want to not be judged, don't write a book and go on TV and whine and complain. And for heavens sake, stop selling family secrets for money. Plenty of good in the world they could be doing.
 
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I have noticed Harry does that more often. When he talks about Diana, he presents himself as 'I am my mother's son', as if William is not or less of her son than he is. I had another example, but I lost that thought while typing.
YES that too. At times it is so strange hearing him talk, it is like in his mind he has isolated his world to just him and his mother, as if she's still here. Then there is the world with Meghan & kids. And then there is the circle with his Dad & brother where it's them against him. There is the circle with the Queen and no one else. And then the entire rest of the family just doesn't exist. I mean it's fine if they are not close. But he speaks as if he was the only one important to the Queen and the only one who would miss her ... same as excluding William from the grief and trauma they went through. But the problem for him is if he were to acknowledge all of their experiences and pain then his behavior is the unhealthy one. He needs to be the only one impacted from "life". He can't acknowledge the others, it won't work with the narrative.
 
Anne was in Scotland on official royal business and was able to get to her mother fairly quickly.

Charles was also in Scotland and hosting American journalist Jenna Bush and her crew, who were there to interview Camilla, as both share a love of literacy. Camilla’s plane was late so she had not arrived yet. Jenna described that chaos ensued after Charles took a phone call in his office saying his mother was suddenly ill, and he quickly left via helicopter. Camilla later met him at Balmoral.

I have read reports that the Queen had cancer, and she did look quite thin in the days before when she met with the new PM, but I don’t think that anyone was expecting her to die as quickly as she did that day.
I did not know, and have never read, that Charles asked his sons to come. Makes sense, though, where he would be assuming the role of King immediately upon the Queen’s death, if she died. This does distinguish Harry from the other grandchildren, perhaps, as the son of a ruling Monarch.

I read a good article last fall (after the Queen’s death) about traditions at Balmoral Castle, and stag hunting’s been a massive one, for almost two hundred years (ETA and far longer in the Highlands in general). Some members of the RF didn’t like it (like Diana, and even PM Margaret Thatcher, if I recall) because there were often dead stags all over the place, and a lot hanging on walls, etc. With gillies involved (and after watching Outlander) I am not surprised at (what we see as) a dumb tradition like sticking a young lad’s head in the belly of a freshly killed stag. 🤢 But it is likely part of the Scottish traditions.

https://usakilts.com/blog/lore-of-the-scottish-stag.html

On the one hand, I’m surprised they’d do something like that to Harry, but on the other, I think even Charles would want to see his son(s) taking part in the traditions.
 
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I don't agree with this statement at all. I don't believe everyone blamed "Meghan". In fact, I don't think the press was that negative toward Meghan either. Kate and William have also had both negative and positive press. Same as H&M. It is what it is.

I also don't agree with your statement that people are emotionally invested or angry. At least not on this board. Harry has written a book. It is a book that says here is my truth. Now judge it. He knows the Palace will not release their own truth. He is saying hey guys, now pick sides and pick mine. This is just another topic out in the news to bounce ideas on. A break from real life. Just like I'm sure you have topics that interest you, this topic is interesting to others. The only outlandish statements being made so far are coming from the very ones whining about how unfair they have been treated.

Also, it isn't a surprise Harry is spoiled and has unlimited funds. Or at least had. The brat part is coming in because his free cottage wasn't good enough, or his furniture wasn't antique enough? Or Kate didn't bow down to the wedding concerns? If that doesn't constitute a brat mentality not sure what does. I don't think H&M can ever be thankful and the Palace will never be able to please them. There is something going on inside them that needs work. I hope one day they are able to find that help and live a beautiful quite life with their two beautiful children just as they wanted. I guess my point is if you want to not be judged, don't write a book and go on TV and whine and complain. And for heavens sake, stop selling family secrets for money. Plenty of good in the world they could be doing.
As to the bolded, the proof is in the pudding. Much has been made of Meghan's activism in particular, as well as that being their intention going forward. Once they fold the tent on this particular circus it should be time to put up or shut up. They weren't leaving royal life and leaving a life of service behind.

Let's see how they deliver in their own right, on their own two feet. My expectation is they will attempt to glom onto others with a reputation and a spotlight already in place. I'll be curious to see if and where they're welcomed onboard with the serious amount of baggage and, to my eyes, relatively light record of accomplishment.
 
I can easily see where it's possible Kate brought flowers by because once she thought back on the situation she realized Meghan was likely stressed to the level Kate could relate to remembering back to the days leading up to her own wedding. The only differences for Kate were the solid family support, long-term relationship with William and being on home soil. Beyond that she was also an outsider, a commoner, marrying into the aristocracy. I'm sure she understood the nerves and the stress under those spotlights and eyes. Kate's gesture could have been meant in the spirit of solidarity, not to apologize for raising the issue with the dress, and in fact overlooking Meghan's rudeness.

Harry's own telling of the tale points to Meghan being the one in the wrong. But of course he is entirely incapable of ever recognizing, let alone acknowledging that.

I agree with this. I think it shows Kate has a good heart as well. She didn't need to send a thing. Why release text messages? It seems as if it should have ended with the flowers. Apparently flowers and a card isn't good enough, let's bring that back up.

When I read those text messages something isn't right. Who knows what all had gone on behind the scenes on both sides. Meghan's response with "can't you just go" "like every other Mother is" isn't nice and is very passive aggressive. It definitely seems as if there is a lot of conversation missing. We all know text messages are tough. Who cares who made who cry. Grow up. We all have stories like this.

Kate is very well aware of the microscope all of them would be under and maybe Kate was trying to help but M refused to accept it. I will add for the amount of money that was spent, the flower girl dress didn't look good and didn't fit well. I wasn't impressed with Meghan's wedding dress either. It didn't seem to fit. Having to redo all dresses within hours of the wedding must have been very stressful for all involved and seems like an issue with the one who made them. Probably why the Palace uses certain people they can trust that are tried and true.

I feel bad for all of them. What a hot mess. There is zero doubt all this whining is making it way worse and the new book is just making things worse. There is zero way William or Kate could ever trust them again. I'm still not sure what they want. How do you make H&M happy? The biggest house, with the best furniture, his old bedroom untouched, only positive stories in the press, no one to questions anything he does? He is very unrealistic and M is just feeding the beast. Not even sure they can live up to their own expectations.
 
On the one hand, I’m surprised they’d do something like that to Harry, but on the other, I think even Charles would want to see his son(s) taking part in the traditions.
That doesn't seem something I'd see Charles embracing in particular. I can however see Prince Philip firmly believing in things like that being good for the future generations and absolutely wanting it for his grandsons.
 
YES that too. At times it is so strange hearing him talk, it is like in his mind he has isolated his world to just him and his mother, as if she's still here. Then there is the world with Meghan & kids. And then there is the circle with his Dad & brother where it's them against him. There is the circle with the Queen and no one else. And then the entire rest of the family just doesn't exist. I mean it's fine if they are not close. But he speaks as if he was the only one important to the Queen and the only one who would miss her ... same as excluding William from the grief and trauma they went through. But the problem for him is if he were to acknowledge all of their experiences and pain then his behavior is the unhealthy one. He needs to be the only one impacted from "life". He can't acknowledge the others, it won't work with the narrative.
Look up the traits in the DSM. I think they are on version DSM V-TR now. Grandiosity is usually trait #1.
 
I agree with this. I think it shows Kate has a good heart as well. She didn't need to send a thing. Why release text messages? It seems as if it should have ended with the flowers. Apparently flowers and a card isn't good enough, let's bring that back up.

When I read those text messages something isn't right. Who knows what all had gone on behind the scenes on both sides. Meghan's response with "can't you just go" "like every other Mother is" isn't nice and is very passive aggressive. It definitely seems as if there is a lot of conversation missing. We all know text messages are tough. Who cares who made who cry. Grow up. We all have stories like this.

Kate is very well aware of the microscope all of them would be under and maybe Kate was trying to help but M refused to accept it. I will add for the amount of money that was spent, the flower girl dress didn't look good and didn't fit well. I wasn't impressed with Meghan's wedding dress either. It didn't seem to fit. Having to redo all dresses within hours of the wedding must have been very stressful for all involved and seems like an issue with the one who made them. Probably why the Palace uses certain people they can trust that are tried and true.

I feel bad for all of them. What a hot mess. There is zero doubt all this whining is making it way worse and the new book is just making things worse. There is zero way William or Kate could ever trust them again. I'm still not sure what they want. How do you make H&M happy? The biggest house, with the best furniture, his old bedroom untouched, only positive stories in the press, no one to questions anything he does? He is very unrealistic and M is just feeding the beast. Not even sure they can live up to their own expectations.
Supposedly these texts aren't the originals but recreated for the books. So maybe not the full context of the conversation?
 
I agree with this. I think it shows Kate has a good heart as well. She didn't need to send a thing. Why release text messages? It seems as if it should have ended with the flowers. Apparently flowers and a card isn't good enough, let's bring that back up.

When I read those text messages something isn't right. Who knows what all had gone on behind the scenes on both sides. Meghan's response with "can't you just go" "like every other Mother is" isn't nice and is very passive aggressive. It definitely seems as if there is a lot of conversation missing. We all know text messages are tough. Who cares who made who cry. Grow up. We all have stories like this.

Kate is very well aware of the microscope all of them would be under and maybe Kate was trying to help but M refused to accept it. I will add for the amount of money that was spent, the flower girl dress didn't look good and didn't fit well. I wasn't impressed with Meghan's wedding dress either. It didn't seem to fit. Having to redo all dresses within hours of the wedding must have been very stressful for all involved and seems like an issue with the one who made them. Probably why the Palace uses certain people they can trust that are tried and true.

I feel bad for all of them. What a hot mess. There is zero doubt all this whining is making it way worse and the new book is just making things worse. There is zero way William or Kate could ever trust them again. I'm still not sure what they want. How do you make H&M happy? The biggest house, with the best furniture, his old bedroom untouched, only positive stories in the press, no one to questions anything he does? He is very unrealistic and M is just feeding the beast. Not even sure they can live up to their own expectations.

I've said for years now that I thought some of Meghan's bad press was down to what seems to be her preference of the fit of her clothes. Women in particular get picked apart in the press and in public opinion for their looks and their clothing choices, which boils down to how they're portrayed at the level of who they are. To me who knows next to nothing about fashion and dresses plainer than dishwater I've always felt Meghan's clothes look ill-fitting and baggy. It's been so consistent that it's clearly her choice and preference. That's her business, and more power to her. I'm sure she looks better right after a workout than I ever could dressed and styled to the nines. At the end of the day I've heard enough comments on various things not fitting her properly to know that I'm not the only one who sees it and I do think it's damaged how she's been portrayed as a person to some extent. It's not unique to her, all women in the public eye face similar hurdles.

I think she wanted a looser fit on the flower girl dresses because that's her preference. Doesn't make her a monster by any means. Could she have had a bit of a bridezilla moment going on in regard to the dresses when challenged? It's possible. It's also somewhat understandable if she did under the intense spotlight she was facing. That wouldn't excuse any attempt at a present day cleanup on aisle 12 by blaming Kate. Certainly doesn't excuse the baby brain dig, especially once the wedding was over and done with. I don't think Meghan is the one driving the bus over Kate though. Kate is simply collateral damage by virtue of being married to the archnemesis at this point and Harry seems intent on his mission.

You're right, nothing is going to satisfy or satiate Harry at this point. If Parliament were to conjure up a magical referendum that installed the Spare to the throne tomorrow and all the press in all the land declared endless celebration and joy he would not find happiness or satisfaction. The root of his problem lies between his own ears and he is the only one with the power to do something about it. He's still young enough to get help and go on and live a happy and healthy life. I hope he does that sooner rather than later, especially as a father of two young children.
 
I have noticed Harry does that more often. When he talks about Diana, he presents himself as 'I am my mother's son', as if William is not or less of her son than he is. I had another example, but I lost that thought while typing.
I remember again my other example. The interview with NBC (?) where Harry said that he had to make sure his grandmother had the right people around him. He makes it sound as if he was the only one who could be trusted with her protection.
 
Also there we will never know what exactly happened when in the timeline.

There was a discussion about Meghan's presence at Balmoral, as not all royals were going (Kate wasn't going, but also Eugenie and Beatrice weren't going to say goodbye to their grandmother). We do not know how much time was spent on this discussion, and time was of the essence.

I imagine for Charles and William the message to Harry was: "The plane is leaving at 2:39pm, be on it without your wife, or find your own transportation."

But with the timing of everything, messages getting lost in the chaos of the moment, who knows what went on.
I have often wondered when the call went out to William, Edward, etc., to get on a plane in the first place. I have wondered if Harry, and his debate regarding Meghan traveling also, held the others back and caused them to miss saying their goodbyes. It’s something I have wondered about since the Queen passed away, but all the talk about Spare has me thinking about it again.

Logically, I would have thought that a call would have gone out as soon as anyone realized her condition was deteriorating, based on the time it would take for the family to get there. Something like when a person is in the hospital and the doctor says you might want to notify the family to come. Sometimes people gather and the person recovers and sometimes they don’t, but in the interest of allowing family to say goodbye, you get the ball rolling. Knowing there were detailed plans in place for everything involved with the Queen’s death, it may not have been as chaotic as we think, and there would have been staff with specific tasks to perform to take some of it off of the family.

I sincerely hope that Harry did not prevent the family from leaving as quickly as they wanted to. I would like to think that Edward and Andrew in particular, who were losing their mother, weren‘t held back by anyone from attempting to get there in time to say goodbye. In all the timelines, they talk about when the PM received various notes. I would like to think the immediate family was notified at or before the PM (even respecting the obligations and requirements in place for the transition of power in the circumstances). On a personal level, I did feel bad for Edward and Andrew that they did not get to say a final goodbye to their mother, if that was something they wanted to do. I was able to choose whether to be present when each of my parents passed, and would not have wanted that choice taken from me.

I doubt we will ever know for sure whether it was possible for the first plane to leave earlier and arrive before the Queen passed. We also won’t know what was said in the calls about how serious her condition was, or how urgent it was to leave quickly. William’s group may have known from the start that they wouldn’t make it in time, and that could be why Harry is upset they left without him. We just don’t know. In a way, it is better if it wasn’t possible to arrive in time, so there aren’t any “what if” thoughts for any of the family. It can be rough in any family when one person prevents another from saying a final goodbye, and the royal family is no different in that respect.
 
That doesn't seem something I'd see Charles embracing in particular. I can however see Prince Philip firmly believing in things like that being good for the future generations and absolutely wanting it for his grandsons.
I think when it came to Balmoral, Charles was all about tradition, from what I’ve read. He loves it there and loves the hunts in particular.

This is from 1996:

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12030457.prince-williams-hands-awash-with-blood/

”PRINCE William was attacked yesterday for having his hands ``awash with blood'' after it emerged that he had shot dead a stag on Balmoral estate.

The 14-year-old prince made the kill, which has enraged anti-blood sports campaigners, while with his father, the Prince of Wales, brother Prince Harry, 11, and nanny Tiggy Legge-Bourke last month during the mid-term break from Eton.

It also emerged yesterday that the prince, who was said to have been in a state of high excitement at the time, was apparently ``blooded'' by the estate's head stalker, Mr Sandy Masson, to mark his first kill.

The traditional ceremony involves the person who shot the animal having his face smeared with its blood.

Prince Charles went through the same ritual when he shot his first stag in the 1960s. The ceremony is still prevalent among people who travel to the Highlands for sporting shooting, although the practice is discouraged by some members of the shooting fraternity as being too bloodthirsty.

After the kill, the stag is usually ``gralloched'' - disembowelled - by an experienced stalker with the hunting party. The carcass is then cleaned and hung.

A gamekeeper who works on a nearby estate said yesterday: ``It is still a very popular tradition and, with a family as traditonal as the royals, it is inconceivable he (William) was not blooded.''


Prince William used a high-velocity rifle to shoot the stag near the Spittal area, at the head of Loch Muick, one of the most popular hillwalking areas in Scotland.

The news is certain to infuriate the Princess of Wales, who is known to disapprove of the activity.

Stalking traditionally provides sport for members of the royal family but is part of a culling policy to control the growing number of deer on the Scottish hills.”


(I should‘ve used the term ritual instead of tradition.)


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This is also interesting:

”using a stag hunt to evoke themes of territory, control, power, and suffering as they manifested in the 1980s, and setting the episode at Balmoral Castle, is fitting. As John Fletcher documents, between 1603 and 1831 the sale of venison was illegal in England, making those who desired the food reliant on the aristocratic owners of deer parks (including the royal family), the only locale legal for deer hunting, to provide them with gifts of venison.[2] These gifts often came formally from the monarchy through the Royal Warrant (established in the thirteenth century), whereby they could legally bestow haunches of venison to, for example, keep in good graces with prominent political figures.[3] Coincidentally, Margaret Thatcher banished this practice during her time as Prime Minister in one of her attempts to dismantle aristocratic privilege.[4] While Thatcher’s act goes unmentioned in The Crown, her distaste for all things royal, including deer hunting, is made abundantly clear, as are the actual and symbolic connections between royalty and deer as possessions the monarchy both controlled access to and were uniquely empowered to breed and kill, thereby colonizing the natural world. We see this aristocratic privilege in “The Balmoral Test” when the wounded stag runs away from those who have shot it, crosses a stream onto the grounds of Balmoral, and thereby becomes property of the Queen, who will decide the animal’s fate.”

By the time Balmoral was purchased by Prince Albert for Queen Victoria (Queen Elizabeth’s great-great-grandmother) in 1852, there was a scarcity of deer in royal deer parks. The monarchy depended on its Scottish park to supply venison to the royal table, which it did, with great abundance.[5] Indeed, Balmoral is rich with stag hunting lore, particularly in the Victorian period, and “The Balmoral Test” references this legacy several times. Allusions to Albert’s passion for stag hunting while in residence at Balmoral abound, including Denis Thatcher’s (played by Stephen Boxer) reading aloud from a copy of the Hunting Memoirs of Balmoral Castle left on his bedside table and the suggestion that the formidable stag’s head mounted in the dining room was the prince’s quarry. Much of the episode’s visual imagery (Fig. 1) seems to be appropriated from Victorian sources as well, including Sir Edwin Landseer’s many paintings of stags (Fig. 2) and photographs of Prince Albert’s hunting expeditions at Balmoral.


https://www.journal18.org/nq/the-hu...s-the-balmoral-test-s4-e2-by-kimberly-rhodes/
 
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