Harry and Meghan Netflix documentary

[anniemae]

The entire affair is exceedingly sad, I watched Harry's 60 minute interview and read some comments here but will probably pass on the book and anything else at this point.

At the end of it all Harry being not included in the flight up to Balmoral to see his grandmother before she passed was the lowest of low to me to me. His mother died young in a violent, public way, and his family excluded him at the last minute from saying goodbye to his grandmother, that is below the water line damage to any relationship in my view.

I don't know if I am remember this correctly, but didn't they say they all had a fight about Meghan? I thought I read that Harry wanted Meghan to join them on the flight to Balmoral, but Charles and William said no. I thought Harry was upset that they didn't want Meghan to go with them? I also thought she had passed before they got there, without Harry. I could be wrong though.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

Camilla, Timothy, Fergie, Peter, Zara, Catherine, Mike, Edoardo, Jack, Louise and James. Those names had as much or more status than Harry or Meghan. Why H&M thought they should rush to a dying Queen’s bedside is beyond me. Just a megalomaniac ego operating there. It should have been just Queen Elizabeth’s children. Sophie was a special request because Elizabeth treated her as a daughter.

Anyway, Meghan’s habit of abusing staff and creating emotional chaos would have been enough to tell her not to come to that very sensitive moment for Elizabeth’s children, even if Meghan was the only one banned. Sometimes it is ok for common sense to prevail.

 

[K and K's Mommy]

And you don't have to respond to everything the other is saying. We are not Harry.

I miss the days of the Tag Fairy with responses like this!! You made my day!

 

[Karin1984]

I don't know if I am remember this correctly, but didn't they say they all had a fight about Meghan? I thought I read that Harry wanted Meghan to join them on the flight to Balmoral, but Charles and William said no. I thought Harry was upset that they didn't want Meghan to go with them? I also thought she had passed before they got there, without Harry. I could be wrong though.

Yes, you are correct.
There was a discussion about who could go, Harry wanted Meghan there (maybe assumed she could join), this request was denied. I have no doubt he was upset about it.

The plane with William and family left at 2:39.
The queen died at 3:10, before the plane landed.

 

[Karin1984]

More conspiracy theories, the Sandringham Summit was fixed!

Queen’s private secretary fixed the Sandringham summit, Prince Harry claims​

The Duke of Sussex claims in his book that the Sandringham summit where the royal family thrashed out the terms of his and his wife’s departure from Britain was a “fix”.

He believes that despite a pretence at talking through different scenarios, the plan was always that the royal family would refuse to compromise. The summit in January 2020 was meant to consider five options for how the Sussexes might step back from their royal duties. They ranged from maintaining the status quo, Option 1, to full departure, Option 5,

Harry writes in Spare that the family discussed the options for an hour. They pressed the Sussexes to stay but barring that the only other solution they would accept was Option 5, departure.

At that point the Queen’s private secretary, Sir Edward Young — who Harry refers to only by the nickname he gave him, “the Bee” — distributed drafts of a statement announcing the implementation of Option 5. Harry writes: “Wait. I’m confused. You’ve already drafted a statement? Before any discussion? Announcing Option 5? In other words, the fix was in, this whole time? This summit was just for show?”

He was assured there were draft statements for other options. But they were not printed because Young told him his printer was “on the blink”.

 

[badiggio]

so a draft of one of the options is "proof" of the fix?Some ink on paper?Proof?LOLHe really must've been and is "confused"
Seems Harry{meagan} and his team of fictional ghost writers have really looked under every stone.I guess Meagan has found a miracle worker for a therapist, as surely the scrutiny and pressure they're under now minimizes any from before,real or more than likely, contrived.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

The entire affair is exceedingly sad, I watched Harry's 60 minute interview and read some comments here but will probably pass on the book and anything else at this point.

At the end of it all Harry being not included in the flight up to Balmoral to see his grandmother before she passed was the lowest of low to me to me. His mother died young in a violent, public way, and his family excluded him at the last minute from saying goodbye to his grandmother, that is below the water line damage to any relationship in my view.

This is from page 46.

Yes. Even without the worry of her recording things, it just wasn’t the time or place for her, as the wife of a grandson. The only people who were there were her children (Anne, Charles, Andrew and Edward), some of their spouses (Sophie, Edward’s wife and a favorite DIL to the Queen, and Camilla), and William, as the heir. (Maybe he had to be there for succession purposes or something, which, for his father, took place immediately upon Her Majesty’s death, if I recall.)

Besides William, the heir, Harry would’ve been the only grandchild going. Kate didn’t go, and it wasn’t the place for Meghan, either. Of course, in their minds, Harry and Meghan inflated their own sense of importance and became offended, once again, that Meghan was asked not to come. (After all, she’d become more popular than then-Prince Charles, according to Harry, right? ) But it just really wasn’t the time or place for her to go.

And yes, they had just turned down an invitation to visit the Queen while they were visiting the UK, so there’s that.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/queen-died-charles-anne-with-her-balmoral-b1024527.html

None of the people who flew in [on that plane] got to see the Queen before she passed. Things happened too quickly.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Oh, I disagree. I would think the majority of people believe that Mr. Markle provided a great deal for a daughter he dearly loved. He provided a home, private education and for some time was a single parent. Past stories show some affection between them. I believe the vast majority of the public believes she owes him some honor, respect, the benefit of the doubt and not holding him to rigid, inelastic standards when he is willing to learn how to do things in her new world which is unfamiliar to him. His very short experience with press interviews was not such a great sin. It was not such a huge betrayal. But Meghan responded with a nuclear option designed to cause him maximum emotional pain and made it public to the whole world. Giving someone the silent treatment is the strongest, most painful emotional abuse an adult child can inflict on a parent. Meghan did this in public out of hatred and anger. It is Meghan’s control issue on display there. She is the emotional abuser of Mr. Markle and he is the victim. But, for his sake, I feel that her behavior and Harry’s enabling so crossed the line I hope Mr. Markle has the strength to never allow them a way back to him. He richly deserves some self care.

I normally do not get worked up over other people’s business, but Meghan’s treatment of Mr. Markle was — and continues to be — abhorrent. Harry’s allowing it to continue is on the same plane. If I could talk to Mr. Markle, I would try to leave him with a firm conviction that even though this was very painful for him it is a good thing because he is fully justified to go forward in life without her hurting him. He should consider himself finally free of her. There should be a way to legally divorce or end a parent and adult child or adult sibling relationship because he needs that public finality. So do Charles and William.

I want to “love” most of these, but, sadly, I’m almost positive Mr Markle would really love and welcome the opportunity to meet his grandchildren, especially, and I think he would also like to see his daughter and meet Harry, as well (though probably not unless it would be a guaranteed peaceful visit without any upset and/or mud slinging. He is not a well man and a big battle wouldn’t be a good thing medically for him. In fact, his time with us here may be somewhat limited after having had a heart attack and stroke already). This whole thing with Meghan and Harry has negatively affected consumed his life for a long time now. Personally, I’ve love to see his wish granted, and I think it would also go a long way to improving the public’s perception of Meghan, but I doubt that it will actually happen.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

That is below the water line damage to any relationship in my view.

In my view, neither Harry nor Meghan belonged at nor had any reasonable expectation of being invited to Balmoral that day.

In light of Meghan’s recent behavior with staff to create chaos and emotional turmoil, it was eminently reasonable for King Charles to tell Harry not to bring her.

In fact, now that we know more about Harry’s chaotic, occasionally violent, disrespectful, self-serving, undignified, Meghan appeasing, probably secretly recording for monetizing purposes and inability to control Meghan’s behavior, I am totally surprised Charles let Harry come to Balmoral. That weakness in Charles needs to be curbed.

Charles’s decision was not “below the waterline.” It was far too lenient. Harry was insensitive and way off base for even asking to come. Harry forced Charles into making a decision he should not have had to make. Then to go further and publicize that and spin it like Harry did is what is “way below the waterline.”

Tell Harry to release all five of the options discussed at the Sandringham Summit and to be honest about who first proposed them … the name starts with “M”. The branding of over 100 products, application to trademark Sussex Royal had already happened without Elizabeth’s required permission and the plan to modernize the monarchy by commercializing the brand in goods and services was well underway for months. All of the Sussex’s first four options were doomed with serious conflict of interest problems between the government-monarchy and the private- celebrity sector interests. Half-in and half-out was a classic conflict of interest that Harry and Meghan did not understand then or now. It opens the door to all kinds of nasty things like fraud, corruption and a complete loss of the necessary separation of powers to be a head of state. Thick as a plank or just vindictive because Elizabeth II, Charles and William said no to options 2, 3 and 4 and the Markles would not accept or understand option 1 which was all in? The monarchy had to say no. None of the options would work except all in or all out. The reason all out happened is because Meghan and Harry were already highly financially committed to all out. Having Option 5 ready was predictably and virtually certain. The purpose of the Sandringham Summit was to explain this to Harry and to give him a forum so he would feel he had been heard. It had nothing to do with control by a palace staff member. But leave it to Harry to call this gentleman vile names and insinuate nefarious behavior. Nope. The Sussex’s can own this one too.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

I understand your wish for a repaired family for Mr Markle and his grands. Unfortunately the grands are always the silent victims when adult kids cut off their parents. That is also a selfish act of the adult kids. The relationship of grandparent and grandchild does not belong to the adult child, although they can control it.

However being more pragmatic, my wish for these estranged parents is so they can find peace from the chaotic behavior, the ghosting and the emotional pain. By recognizing this they can achieve peace and let go of unrealistic expectations regarding the future of those relationships. They need to take control by not leaving the door open and the porch light on. They need to affirmatively close that door. This is much harder for Charles because he has to balance public opinion. However, to the public, I say this. It does not take two to fight. Both people involved in a dust up are not always partly wrong on both sides. A parent is not required to always love a child unconditionally. Harmful acts against and abusive behavior towards a parent are good reasons to end a parent and adult child relationship sometimes, even if it cuts off grandchildren. Closing a door to return is sometimes a wise thing to do even if it is hard. Unless you have lived with a narcissist or some other types of mental conditions, addictions or other situations that could be listed here, you cannot possibly know where the individual involved needs to draw the line. Do not add to their pain by being judgmental on this. No way back is totally the decision of the ghosted or victimized parent like Mr Markle or solely in the hands of Charles who knows the extensive history. I say that even if Harry says he wants his father and brother back. You can still have feelings of love for an estranged child/brother and still permanently close the return door. That is just taking back control of their own life and it is healthy and sometimes necessary to do so.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I understand your wish for a repaired family for Mr Markle and his grands. Unfortunately the grands are always the silent victims when adult kids cut off their parents. That is also a selfish act of the adult kids. The relationship of grandparent and grandchild does not belong to the adult child, although they can control it.

However being more pragmatic, my wish for these estranged parents is so they can find peace from the chaotic behavior, the ghosting and the emotional pain. By recognizing this they can achieve peace and let go of unrealistic expectations regarding the future of those relationships. They need to take control by not leaving the door open and the porch light on. They need to affirmatively close that door. This is much harder for Charles because he has to balance public opinion. However, to the public, I say this. It does not take two to fight. Both people involved in a dust up are not always partly wrong on both sides. A parent is not required to always love a child unconditionally. Harmful acts against and abusive behavior towards a parent are good reasons to end a parent and adult child relationship sometimes, even if it cuts off grandchildren. Closing a door to return is sometimes a wise thing to do even if it is hard. Unless you have lived with a narcissist or some other types of mental conditions, addictions or other situations that could be listed here, you cannot possibly know where the individual involved needs to draw the line. Do not add to their pain by being judgmental on this. No way back is totally the decision of the ghosted or victimized parent like Mr Markle or solely in the hands of Charles who knows the extensive history. I say that even if Harry says he wants his father and brother back. You can still have feelings of love for an estranged child/brother and still permanently close the return door. That is just taking back control of their own life and it is healthy and sometimes necessary to do so.

Definitely food for thought. I have lived with those conditions, and I’m glad I found it in my heart to reconcile before there was a death. That’s brought me peace in my life, personally. I recognize that people handle things differently according to what works best for them.

I’m not sure my wish is for a “repaired family” for Mr Markle, because even I recognize that’s probably too tall an order. I believe his dying wish will be to meet his grandchildren and see his daughter once again, and that is something I wish could happen for him. I won’t hold my breath, though.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

Definitely food for thought. I have lived with those conditions, and I’m glad I found it in my heart to reconcile before there was a death. That’s brought me peace in my life, personally. I recognize that people handle things differently according to what works best for them.

I’m not sure my wish is for a “repaired family” for Mr Markle, because even I recognize that’s probably too tall an order. I believe his dying wish will be to meet his grandchildren and see his daughter once again, and that is something I wish could happen for him. I won’t hold my breath, though.

I'm sorry. I did not mean to put words in your mouth.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

I'm sorry. I did not mean to put words in your mouth.

No, you gave me food for thought. Thank you, it helps me understand why things happen sometimes.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

Another reason for the Sandringham Summit might have been to explore alternative careers for Harry or Meghan that would not be a conflict of interest. Commercialization of the brand of Sussex Royal, Sussex, Royal or anything else that would be cashing-in on their royal family status would create a conflict of interest; especially combining it with HRH. Being a representative of the Monarch and its role of Head of State is clearly a position that very much has to comply with avoiding conflicts of interest. So, with H&M already being locked into commercialism, the HRH and any role representing the crown had to go. They walked themselves into Option 5 by jumping the gun with commercialism.

 

[T.G.I.Friday]

*Trigger Warning - Sexual Assault*


I’m not sure if anyone reads Blind Gossip, but they are pretty reliable and are extremely careful about what they print. They can be very vague, but when they have obvious clues to identify the person (in this case, the last sentence goes back to the messages on the bananas, probably), it speaks more to their confidence in their story.

They put this out back in late 2020. It is horrible. Horrific. I was honestly shocked that I never heard more about it from any source and it never got any traction. To summarize, a famous military man used to abuse s*x workers and his family used their influence to cover it up. The conduct of the man and the family are both terrible in this story.

https://blindgossip.com/famous-son-got-very-rough/

Anyway, just this week, I happened to read some rumblings that are saying that H is being investigated for causing brain damage to a woman during an assault and they are considering a formal investigation.

While I have no personal knowledge of any of it, the timing is serendipitous. Is this how the RF plans to respond to the mudslinging? By not addressing anything in Spare, but by sending a message to Harry that he needs to fall in line or he will lose their protection?

 

[Karin1984]

*Trigger Warning - Sexual Assault*


I’m not sure if anyone reads Blind Gossip, but they are pretty reliable and are extremely careful about what they print. They can be very vague, but when they have obvious clues to identify the person (in this case, the last sentence goes back to the messages on the bananas, probably), it speaks more to their confidence in their story.

They put this out back in late 2020. It is horrible. Horrific. I was honestly shocked that I never heard more about it from any source and it never got any traction. To summarize, a famous military man used to abuse s*x workers and his family used their influence to cover it up. The conduct of the man and the family are both terrible in this story.

https://blindgossip.com/famous-son-got-very-rough/

Anyway, just this week, I happened to read some rumblings that are saying that H is being investigated for causing brain damage to a woman during an assault and they are considering a formal investigation.

While I have no personal knowledge of any of it, the timing is serendipitous. Is this how the RF plans to respond to the mudslinging? By not addressing anything in Spare, but by sending a message to Harry that he needs to fall in line or he will lose their protection?

Reading the page from 2020. I dont believe it is Harry. As Harry had no need to use professional girls. I believe the stories that women threw themselves at him during pub nights. And Harry is almost never alone. There was always security, his friends and/or paparazzi. To do this on a regular basis without anyone blabbing would be a miracle.

They have already lost their security. If this is true and the RF knew about this, they would have removed Harry from the army immediately and had him chained to a security guard.

Is Blind Gossip a US or a UK website?

 

[TLSnell1981]

Not sure how he can be so sure he’ll never move back at this point in his life. Didn’t Ozzy move back?

Yeah but I don't remember Ozzy's "scorched earth attack" on the monarchy or the Uk. I don't think the Brits would throw eggs at him or his wife. But my recollection may vary from others.

Great placement...Brilliant!

 

[Karin1984]

Yeah but I don't remember Ozzy's "scorched earth attack" on the monarchy or the Uk. I don't thin the Brits would throw eggs at him or his wife. But my recollection may vary from others.

Great placement...Brilliant!

I am waiting for a picture of the bookstore who has put it in the Fantasy section. There must be at least one store who has done this.

 

[T.G.I.Friday]

Reading the page from 2020. I dont believe it is Harry. As Harry had no need to use professional girls. I believe the stories that women threw themselves at him during pub nights. And Harry is almost never alone. There was always security, his friends and/or paparazzi. To do this on a regular basis without anyone blabbing would be a miracle.

They have already lost their security. If this is true and the RF knew about this, they would have removed Harry from the army immediately and had him chained to a security guard.

Is Blind Gossip a US or a UK website?

They are a U.S. site.

I thought their time in the military was pretty private so that they didn’t have security and paparazzi to keep the other soldiers safe?

Regardless, my personal opinion is that that the RF knew full well what Andrew was involved with and turned a blind eye/covered it up. So to me, covering up for Harry would be more line with how I’d assume that they would respond rather than acknowledge or condemn him.

 

[HopperFan]

Ok, I am not very up to date with people who hunt (do we have hunters here? I know some parts of the US hunting is considered a sport), but is this kind of hazing also a thing in the US or is it just a Royal Family thing?

And can we agree that 'ghillie' is a beautiful word that shouldn't get lost over time?

Blood and guts for teenage Prince Harry when his head was pushed inside carcass of stag he shot​

My DH hunts a couple of times a year with brothers. Duck, Dove & sometimes Alligator. Never deer. DS has ZERO interest in hunting or guns. DH has family members who hunt mostly deer, some who travel far to big hunts, who teach their children to hunt from young. I personally have some issues with hunting. Will leave at that. I have no relatives who hunt, I'm a city kid.

Hunting here is done for lots of reasons and with lots of different perspectives. Some do it to eat all the way to some do it at fancy hunting clubs for sport. I have heard of "initiations" in terms of celebration of first time, first "success" but I have never heard of anything like you describe - not to say it doesn't happen. But I can't say I'm shocked by what they did - sounds very good old boy / frat style.

The entire affair is exceedingly sad, I watched Harry's 60 minute interview and read some comments here but will probably pass on the book and anything else at this point.

At the end of it all Harry being not included in the flight up to Balmoral to see his grandmother before she passed was the lowest of low to me to me. His mother died young in a violent, public way, and his family excluded him at the last minute from saying goodbye to his grandmother, that is below the water line damage to any relationship in my view.

And I think this is exactly why all of this is Harry's "Story" not Harry's "Truth" because what he is putting out there about this is not what happened, and has been clarified over and over by credible sources.

From multiple credible sources what we have is:
~ Queen planned all aspects of her death, leading up to and after. Her rules.
~ Queen wanted to be at Balmoral, the place she loved most.
~ She did some things that I expect she knew, she was ready.
~ Queen's health was failing but the timing & speed was still unexpected to the others.
~ Queen hosted a casual dinner with all her cousins four days prior.
~ Queen accepted PM resignation and met new PM two days prior.
~ Daughter Princess Anne was with her the last 24 hours, did she call her there?
~ At 12:30 pm Buckingham Palace put out calls to get family to her.
~ Charles himself called William & Harry to come.
~ Family members that were to be in attendance per plan were on the move.
~ Son Prince Charles was already in Scotland and it is believed he (and Camilla) made it in time.
~ Shortly after calls Harry's team publicly announced he and Meghan were going to Scotland.
~ Subsequent conversation with Charles, Harry found out plan did not include grandkid's spouses.
~ Harry wanted Meghan to go, but that was not part of the plan.
~ The plane was leaving, no grandchildren's spouses, Kate was not going.
~ Harry was wasting time.
~ Time was fading. Plane left, end of story.
~ Harry did not fly with Andrew, Edward (Sophie) & William.
~ Queen passed at 3:10 pm.
~ Charles attempted to reach all (who were flying), Harry was out of touch.
~ Harry acknowledges Dad was trying to reach him, but he saw news first.
~ Son's Andrew & Edward (and Sophie) did not make it in time to see her, they arrived at about 5.
~ Grandson William (no wife) did not make it in time to see her, he arrived about 5.
~ Grandson Harry (no wife) did not make it in time to see her, he arrived about 8.
~ To repeat ~ ONLY Charles & Anne saw the queen because they were already in Scotland.
~ To repeat ~ ONLY Camilla and Sophie were to travel per plan as spouses to Queen's children.
~ To repeat ~ NO spouses of Grandchildren were to travel per plan.

NOTHING that happened in that time frame had anything to do with Harry or Meghan. He was called same as his brother, he was to come alone like his brother. He chose to create a scene using his wife. The fact that he has come up with all these crazy conspiracy stories regarding his Grandmother's death day is shameful. He knows the truth, but he is selling his story. Things like this only tarnish his credibility with most his stories.

Just a PS ~ Harry always seem to talk as if he and William are the only grandchildren of the Queen. There were some that came before them and some that came after them. There are some that have been quite successful in having a private life with private sector jobs AND also handling some royal duties. Some have been fulltime royals or have full time private sector careers. Harry could have been like them. He is one of eight grandchildren. Once William had three children of his own securing the line of succession, Harry was free to pursue a life similar to his adult cousins. His youngest cousins have been the most proper respectful of the monarchy kids, so impressed by them (Queen loved their mother). He is no more special than his other cousins and he has lots to learn from them.