Harry and Meghan Netflix documentary

[mom2rtk]

Do we know more if they had camera's in their home or just home videos?

Below scene was weird.
They are at home, Meghan is on the phone with Perry, going over a statement and Harry receives a text from William about Oprah.

Did they film this on their phones or was this done by Netflix' cameras? If this is part of their 15 hours vlogging their journey, it is weird. But a re-enactment is also weird.


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Who was supposed to have been filming that? Household staff? Film crew? Tripod? What a weird vibe.

 

[mom2rtk]

Yeah, I haven’t watched anything but have been keeping up via news articles that hit the highlights, and this one was just a huge eye-roll. I mean how privileged is this guy that the biggest shock was his brother yelling at him over a HUGE life choice that affected the entire family and a thousand years of tradition? I’d also like to know what “lies” Charles was saying. I really blame society for coming up with the idea that there are multiple versions of the truth, with H&M saying that they’re telling “their truth”. No, you’re telling your spin on the facts, highlighting what you want and ignoring what your don’t like. The truth doesn’t care about how you feel, sort of like science doesn’t care if you believe in it.

I had the same exact reaction. Like a lightbulb went on. Like maybe he was never ever in life yelled at. Ever. By anyone. And if that's the case, it might explain a lot of what's at play here.

And I agree. I choke a little every time someone talks about "their" truth. That's not how it works with "truth".

 

[EilonwyWanderer]

Jackie Kennedy also came across as a class act. She seemed aware of social norms in upper society and expectations of her (family) being married to a president.

Whaaaat? Are we really seriously now in the realm of "that woman knew her place! When her husband had multiple affairs she just kept quite about it and was quietly depressed and suffered alone AS IT SHOULD BE?"

That wasn't classy. That was awful.

 

[Karin1984]

Whaaaat? Are we really seriously now in the realm of "that woman knew her place! When her husband had multiple affairs she just kept quite about it and was quietly depressed and suffered alone AS IT SHOULD BE?"

That wasn't classy. That was awful.

Does RangerPooh say anything about her husband's affairs, or is that the same that with the green dress picture that you assumed the picture is about race?
You can be aware about social norms how to behave as the president's wife regardless if your husband has someone on the side.

 

[EilonwyWanderer]

This whole conversation just all screams about sending women back to the 1950s where they know their place. You can still have a personality and be the spouse of someone famous. You don't have to adhere to ancient social norms just "because" some people think it's classy when really it's damaging. Like did you really just want her to stay quiet when her mental health was at issue? Because otherwise speaking up is damaging to the royal family?

I just don't understand those who value outdated institutions over people.

 

[mom2rtk]

This whole conversation just all screams about sending women back to the 1950s where they know their place. You can still have a personality and be the spouse of someone famous. You don't have to adhere to ancient social norms just "because" some people think it's classy when really it's damaging. Like did you really just want her to stay quiet when her mental health was at issue? Because otherwise speaking up is damaging to the royal family?

I just don't understand those who value outdated institutions over people.

Yes, that's it. Because it's all or nothing. The only alternative to supporting Meghan's behavior is life as June Cleaver.

 

[Karin1984]

This whole conversation just all screams about sending women back to the 1950s where they know their place. You can still have a personality and be the spouse of someone famous. You don't have to adhere to ancient social norms just "because" some people think it's classy when really it's damaging. Like did you really just want her to stay quiet when her mental health was at issue? Because otherwise speaking up is damaging to the royal family?

I just don't understand those who value outdated institutions over people.

I do not believe Meghan couldn't get a therapist as Charles, William and Harry had therapists throughout their lives. Before Meghan came along, William, Harry and Kate were already working on their mental health organization Heads Together. So the importance of talking was already on their radar for longer. That Meghan felt she couldn't speak up is something I understand and relate to, but that's different from that she couldn't get help. That's something I just don't buy.

It is not a problem that she has a personality, it's how she (and Harry) tried to find her (their) way. Meghan comes across as a new manager in a company. The company is doing perfectly fine and then a new manager comes in and says: "No, I don't agree, I want to do it completely different." And if the owner of the company then tells you: "No you can't." You either leave, or you try to get your way diplomatically. In most organizations change is possible, but it doesn't happen overnight. Through the ages every royal joining the family has made some kind of changes. They are definitely more focused on the people than they were ever before.

Change management is a real line of work, it's a profession that takes hard work and mostly patience. I've said it before and I will say it again: I am sure Harry and Meghan could have had their half way system, if they had handled it differently and if they had patience.

Does Meghan have a personality problem that clashes with the UK royal family? Yes. But because she seemed to behave like a bull in a china shop. And there was a culture clash, California vs. UK.
Americans are more confrontational and that just didn't work here.

For your remark about outdated institutions and people.
When you are the head of the country, whether you are a king or a president, you are there working for the people. You as a person doesn't matter as much as the continuity and the stability of the country. This is about things bigger than a person.

But please, let's keep views on the monarchy and other forms of government out of this discussion. I think your political system is backwards, you think that about mine. Agree to disagree.

 

[HopperFan]

I do not believe Meghan couldn't get a therapist as Charles, William and Harry had therapists throughout their lives. Before Meghan came along, William, Harry and Kate were already working on their mental health organization Heads Together. So the importance of talking was already on their radar for longer. That Meghan felt she couldn't speak up is something I understand and relate to, but that's different from that she couldn't get help. That's something I just don't buy.

It is not a problem that she has a personality, it's how she (and Harry) tried to find her (their) way. Meghan comes across as a new manager in a company. The company is doing perfectly fine and then a new manager comes in and says: "No, I don't agree, I want to do it completely different." And if the owner of the company then tells you: "No you can't." You either leave, or you try to get your way diplomatically. In most organizations change is possible, but it doesn't happen overnight. Through the ages every royal joining the family has made some kind of changes. They are definitely more focused on the people than they were ever before.

Change management is a real line of work, it's a profession that takes hard work and mostly patience. I've said it before and I will say it again: I am sure Harry and Meghan could have had their half way system, if they had handled it differently and if they had patience.

Does Meghan have a personality problem that clashes with the UK royal family? Yes. But because she seemed to behave like a bull in a china shop. And there was a culture clash, California vs. UK.
Americans are more confrontational and that just didn't work here.

For your remark about outdated institutions and people.
When you are the head of the country, whether you are a king or a president, you are there working for the people. You as a person doesn't matter as much as the continuity and the stability of the country. This is about things bigger than a person.

But please, let's keep views on the monarchy and other forms of government out of this discussion. I think your political system is backwards, you think that about mine. Agree to disagree.

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Second ~ I watched a few clips this morning on tv and one had me rewinding twice to see if he really said what he said. He said one reason they were upset was that Meghan came in and was doing her job better than the ones who were there.

I think I'd feel more for him if he got help, if he used his energy to forge their new life, if he focused on his nuclear family proving his goal is a good life for them BUT this path is so unhealthy, so destructive (to both sides) and so purposeful.

 

[Skywalker]

Yeah it was terrifying for Harry that William yelled at him. Okay combat veteran Harry was terrified lol.

Come on with these two.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

Meghan saw the monarchy as a commercial brand and the people in it as having celebrity status. It is obvious she felt the people in it (and their advisors) were too stupid to know how to handle a brand of that value. They were missing opportunities to monetize the brand. She never understood "Head of State," "Commonwealth," the difference between being an exec of a charity vs a patron of a charitable organization, service to the public as the figurehead of the government vs volunteering for private events (even private charitable events).. She was from California and they were "foreign." But she would "modernize" the monarchy. She never understood the "Red Box" and the Queen's assent function in government. She never understood the evolution of law or a constitutional monarchy. She didn't just not do the job, she failed miserably at even grasping the metrics for the job! Trying to be "half-in" and "half-out" (pursuing monetizing the "Sussex" or "Royal" brand is the antithesis of the "job." There is proof of this throughout her relationship with Harry: her wedding guest list, her attempt to use royal symbols as commercial icons, her attempts for camera opportunities with the Queen to bulk up her portfolio to sell commercially etc etc etc. She wanted to sell "royal or Sussex endorsements" in the manner of a Nike endorsement. Harry was never, ever going to get the same financial treatment as William and Kate. IMHO it was about the limelight and about money for Meghan.

The karma will come: when they run out of money and the media is no longer interested. Just like the Duke of Windsor and Wallace -- they have a shelf life. Harry spilled the beans. Their fear is not Charles. It is also not necessarily William and Kate. It is Prince George -- raised by William and Kate with their family values and focus on the real purpose of the monarchy. For those saying it has no power, I would disagree. There is a reason for the Red Boxes and the monarch's signature. There is an assent there. There is also a right to advise. There is the right to appear and be informed. There are huge hegemony rights. Famous people and politicians place true hegemony and influence very high on the list of things they value.

 

[mousefan73]

I also call BS that Meghan couldnt get help. Royal family members have had other medical issues that were taken care of privately in the past. A therapist could easly enter and exit Windsor grounds without fanfare.

 

[Ms.Minnie]

Whaaaat? Are we really seriously now in the realm of "that woman knew her place! When her husband had multiple affairs she just kept quite about it and was quietly depressed and suffered alone AS IT SHOULD BE?"

That wasn't classy. That was awful.

Yes, Jackie Kennedy was a class act. She believed in the old adage of not airing your dirty laundry in public. Too bad these two don't also believe in that.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Do we know more if they had camera's in their home or just home videos?

Below scene was weird.
They are at home, Meghan is on the phone with Perry, going over a statement and Harry receives a text from William about Oprah.

Did they film this on their phones or was this done by Netflix' cameras? If this is part of their 15 hours vlogging their journey, it is weird. But a re-enactment is also weird.


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Re-enactments, if that's what occurred, aren't really weird or abnormal. Fairly common in these types of shows. Just assume that while the scene itself likely occurred it is being redone for the purposes of showing rather than just verbally telling a play by play of it. Assuming again that it's a re-enactment. I suppose because I watch a lot of shows with re-enactments this is not at all a problem, issue or something to criticize but I can see how if someone isn't used to seeing maybe it's off-putting to them?

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Yes, Jackie Kennedy was a class act. She believed in the old adage of not airing your dirty laundry in public. Too bad these two don't also believe in that.

Her era was different. Everyone knew about the affairs it just was a time where socially women were expected to accept it and never make public note of it. Sometimes it's hard to know whether women truly believed in "don't air dirty laundry" or were just so societally told you just don't do that. I think in this day and age you can see more people in general are less willing to sit quiet, whether you actually personally like her doing it it's not necessarily indicative of class or not class. But honestly based on some comments I see on the Boards about topics in general some people have a real issue with changing of the status quo.

 

[AndreaA]

Re-enactments, if that's what occurred, aren't really weird or abnormal. Fairly common in these types of shows. Just assume that while the scene itself likely occurred it is being redone for the purposes of showing rather than just verbally telling a play by play of it. Assuming again that it's a re-enactment. I suppose because I watch a lot of shows with re-enactments this is not at all a problem, issue or something to criticize but I can see how if someone isn't used to seeing maybe it's off-putting to them?

I haven’t seen it, but I have seen shows with re-enactments and the difference for me here is that most I’ve seen have been from true-crime shows (48hrs or the like) and they don’t have the actual people doing the re-enactment. It seems really odd for these people to go through the motions of acting out a scene from their lives, but maybe that’s just me. I mean talk about playing out a situation to put yourself in the best light possible. Eesh.

 

[focusondisney]

Re-enactments, if that's what occurred, aren't really weird or abnormal. Fairly common in these types of shows. Just assume that while the scene itself likely occurred it is being redone for the purposes of showing rather than just verbally telling a play by play of it. Assuming again that it's a re-enactment. I suppose because I watch a lot of shows with re-enactments this is not at all a problem, issue or something to criticize but I can see how if someone isn't used to seeing maybe it's off-putting to them?

Like i said earlier..…… Real Housewives of Sussex.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

This whole conversation just all screams about sending women back to the 1950s where they know their place. You can still have a personality and be the spouse of someone famous. You don't have to adhere to ancient social norms just "because" some people think it's classy when really it's damaging. Like did you really just want her to stay quiet when her mental health was at issue? Because otherwise speaking up is damaging to the royal family?

I just don't understand those who value outdated institutions over people.

I think you could say Jackie Kennedy carried herself with class but I don't think the not airing public laundry makes her classy. To me that's identifying an attribute we do not view as actually healthy these days and in fact encourage women from all over to speak out when something happens to them. It doesn't mean that Jackie couldn't be seen as classy in other ways (and I do think she was) but I wouldn't call turning a blind eye to her husband's faults as one of them.

 

[Marrila]

I haven’t seen it, but I have seen shows with re-enactments and the difference for me here is that most I’ve seen have been from true-crime shows (48hrs or the like) and they don’t have the actual people doing the re-enactment. It seems really odd for these people to go through the motions of acting out a scene from their lives, but maybe that’s just me. I mean talk about playing out a situation to put yourself in the best light possible. Eesh.

That is exactly the difference. When the actual show subjects are involved it's bizarre.
Oh woe is me...let's film that again until I document a lot more woe with better makeup and hair. And action!

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Like i said earlier..…… Real Housewives of Sussex.

I can't believe I actually watched some of the Real Housewives shows but years ago I did. Even House Hunters is a show of re-enactments. They do take after take after take if someone's shock at the paint color isn't good enough for the camera and the house has usually already been bought (the one they will choose). I just take these types of things with a shrug because I've been very exposed to it. It's not even worth an eye roll from me.

 

[focusondisney]

I can't believe I actually watched some of the Real Housewives shows but years ago I did. Even House Hunters is a show of re-enactments. They do take after take after take if someone's shock at the paint color isn't good enough for the camera and the house has usually already been bought (the one they will choose). I just take these types of things with a shrug because I've been very exposed to it. It's not even worth an eye roll from me.

I know. And that’s why I don’t take anything produced like that as truth. Might be a little bit of truth in there, but then it’s scripted & changed to make it a bigger TV & ratings draw. Which is what makes this documentary questionable to me.