Harry and Meghan Netflix documentary

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

A problem for who exactly? And thank you for proving my point that some people just can't step back and see the other side of the coin so to speak. If you want to believe that if over the centuries women had aired their marital problems to the world that things would be better that is your right to do so. I don't happen to agree. In the past they probably would have been beaten or worse.

What "things" are you talking about? What don't we talk about?

I have no issue with H&M, I don't know them so how could I? My concern with H&M is that they and Netflix are only expressing one side of the story, their side. How do you know that what they are saying is true? Again, there is always another side to consider, and, in this case, I think that the royal family is not going to dignify the story with a retort. At least I hope that is the case. If they do it will turn into a "he said, she said".

I hope that the remainder of your day is a good one. I have a band concert to go to a little later, so I won't be responding further today.

A problem for society, that should be rather obvious.

Ironically you're showing exactly what I mean by saying in the past women would have been beaten or worse. That's the irony in people in this very thread, including you, talking about how classy Jackie was for not airing stuff. And if people don't talk about what can happen, why you feel this way, what behaviors are acceptable and not acceptable it just stays put in a box where some people think it belongs and so the cycle continues.

I think the way H&M continue to speak doesn't really gain anyone's support it loses it but I don't think society today largely embraces the mantra of the past of keep quiet because that's what you're supposed to do. And that's why making comments like yours just harkens back decades and decades ago where we're really trying hard to not be in again.

Enjoy the band concert

 

[AndreaA]

What I really don’t understand is the constant refrain of “telling our side” of the story. What other side has been told up until now? The Royal Family hasn’t said one bad thing about these people. They’ve been magnanimous to a fault, in the face of some pretty clearly narcissistic at worst and pettily spiteful at best behavior and accusations. The person I feel worst for is William. He’s lost his brother - his best friend - for some really, really stupid reasons.

All of Megan’s complaints boil down to “they made me feel bad”. Seriously? Seriously. You’re ridiculously wealthy, your every whim is catered to, you have zero idea the troubles real people are living through, but some media toadies, online screeds, and possibly (no real proof) some off-handed private comments have sent you running for safety in the USA? And not just any part of the USA, the most media-driven part. Aiyiyi. At this point I honestly believe that she didn’t actually even have any real issues at the beginning of the relationship, but she played the victim to Harry so that she could secure her place at his side. He definitely seems the type to want to be a protector.

 

[fla4fun]

My personal opinion, which no one else needs to agree with, is there is a lot of over sharing in today’s society. For example, say Celebrity A and Celebrity B are getting a divorce. I think it’s fine to announce that if they want to, and wouldn’t give it a second thought. However, I don’t need to know why they are getting a divorce. I don’t need to know if one cheated on the other, if there were addiction issues, or if one turned out to be a criminal. Those issues should be addressed with the couple, their attorneys, and any other officials who may need to be involved in a legal capacity.

That’s not the same as not speaking about a subject at all. No one should have to put up with bad behavior from anyone, be it verbal, physical, or emotional. I simply don’t need to be involved with the details when it has nothing to do with me personally. A public figure can work with charities who help victims and work with lawmakers to get bills introduced to make real changes, without having to disclose if a family member is in jail for the same crime.

That being said, if a person does choose to disclose every detail of their life to the public, they should make sure those disclosures are completely truthful, and not open to interpretation. If it is only an opinion, or a personal feeling, say so instead of presenting it as a fact. They need to be sure that no one can come out of the woodwork with actual documentation proving their statements are false. This is where Harry and Meghan keep tripping up. It is possible that 90% of what they say is true, but if 10% can be proven false, it renders everything they say as suspect. Once you get a reputation for not telling the truth, even if you’re only doing it occasionally, it takes a long time to get the trust of the public back.

 

[mousefan73]

On episode 5 right now.. I find the Twitter part very interesting and scary. Now of all the hate Tweets like 70% of the millions of tweets etc.. were done by only 80 some accounts. The whole organized BOT stuff. I totally believe this as we see this with political hate and fake news. I mean when I see all the hate tweets on Dr. Fauci needing to be jailed ( thanks to Elon own tweet) you just know it's organized.

I did feel bad for her here and believe in her fear. I am starting to think there are two stories here, the RF and the normal press and what they had to deal with social trolling I really dont think the RF could have helped on the social, it's an uncontrollable monster.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

In fairness just about all these threads contain a heavy dose of someone's opinion all around.

They do, Mackenzie, but when they state it as a fact instead of an opinion it treads in different waters.

Like we can all agree that Meghan faced racism in the UK right, even from her new family members?

No. We do not all agree that Meghan faced racism in the UK and especially there is no evidence of that from her new family members.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

They do, Mackenzie, but when they state it as a fact instead of an opinion it treads in different waters.

I agree but that really truly does still apply to everyone. People say things without having facts to back up things with respects to this topic all the time. It just comes down to whether you agree with that opinion or not on whether you'll call someone out for it

 

[EilonwyWanderer]

Citations!

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-double-standards-royal

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ghan-Markle-Kensington-Palaces-Instagram.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...och-deemed-racist-lunch-meghan-markle-n832211

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/12/13/opinion/racism-very-much-not-racist-royal-family/

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

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[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

What is the difference between opinion and slander?


The usual statements that are part of a person's opinion are not generally a foundation for defamation itself. If the listener takes what the person says as verifiable fact rather than his or her assertion of statement, then the case may conclude that the person did not speak an opinion but a slanderous declaration.

I thought a band concert was going on or needed to be prepared for??

In any case there's been a lot of people talking about the character of Meghan without having any official diagnosis or whatnot so many comments about delaying of a plane by H&M with respects to the Queen's passing, oh so many many comment.

Really IMO we all do it so I think in these threads it's not usually brought to attention as much. People may not always agree on any one thing said but to actually state that a poster here on the Boards is committing slander or defamation is way over into IDK what land. It's the DIS, I don't take offense if someone called Meghan a narcissist even if I'm not quite certain that's really what she is anymore than you should feel it's that big of an issue to tell a poster to take back a comment about racist attitudes as if that's committing slander and/or defamation but nothing else qualifies as such.

 

[EilonwyWanderer]

Perhaps I am a VERY important person that has the power to damage the royal family in such a way as to cause them financial loss/irrevocable harm by posting on a message board.

But I'm posting on the DIS so. Probably not.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

Citations!

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ellievhall/meghan-markle-kate-middleton-double-standards-royal

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ghan-Markle-Kensington-Palaces-Instagram.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...och-deemed-racist-lunch-meghan-markle-n832211

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/12/13/opinion/racism-very-much-not-racist-royal-family/

I tried to see the content in your links, but what I could read did not rise to the level of clear and convincing or even probable cause racist behavior. The one where the princess wore a blackamoor broach was probably the closest, but does that mean some people I know who took a trip to Africa and bought many mementos and keep them on display in their house are racist? Some of them are images of black people? The brooch was a very elaborate piece of jewelry. It had a cultural significance, but how is that instantly bad? It could have been good intentions too. Meghan's biracial status is absolutely not an issue with me or with the vast majority of people today. Race is just not a thing.
I just did not find anything in any of your citations that proved hostile racial targeting. Yes, there is an ugly fringe element that still gets stuck on race and we all need to watch for that; but nothing you showed indicated that the royal family, the palace or the British media journalists were in that ugly small percentage of racist people who still exist. You were posting about people who posted ugly things on media. That is a beacon for those people and very hard to control.

So, as a member of the public: After watching the news, it is my opinion that -- No, Meghan was not subjected to racism from the royal family, the palace staff, the monarchy as an institution or the reputable British media. (There may be some yellow journalism rags out there that should be brought up short if they did that. Again, very hard to curb the extremists.)

 

[EilonwyWanderer]

One of those things I posted was Kensington Palace's instagram who left damaging (and outright threatening) comments up for days on end that had been flagged. That's pretty egregious. You can't tell me their social media manager shouldn't have been on top of it. It wasn't like those comments just sat there unnoticed, USERS flagged them and posted about them. While they cannot control things that are posted elsewhere, surely they can manage to remove threatening comments from their own social media.

But race is very much a thing, by your own post.

 

[Karin1984]

Today is the recording of Kate's Christmas concert and tribute to the queen. And basically the entire family was there.

Charles, Camilla, William, George, Charlotte, Sophie, Eugenie, Beatrix and Prince and Princess Michael Kent, were all present.

Edit: Zara & Mike tindall, Pippa & husband were also there.

 

[focusondisney]

I go in with an open mind typically when watching biographies and documentaries.

I agree. I often comment to my husband that I wonder how much is true. However, this feels more like Reality TV, not a documentary. And I admit to a huge bias against Reality TV. Which is part of why I won’t be watching.

 

[BayouQueen]

Today is the recording of Kate's Christmas concert and tribute to the queen. And basically the entire family was there.

Charles, Camilla, William, George, Charlotte, Sophie, Eugenie, Beatrix and Prince and Princess Michael Kent, were all present.

Purely my opinion -- no way stating as fact -- Beatrice sure did win "the hottest husband" sweepstakes.

 

[tink2424]

What?? If their complaints are valid doesn't that mean they're fighting back against serious emotional abuse from the family? Like we can all agree that Meghan faced racism in the UK right, even from her new family members? Do you understand how damaging that is? That it is something she has to deal with every day?

Being royalty does NOT give you a pass because you're somehow more important than everyone else. If anything it means that the whistleblowers are absolutely essential to helping dismantle these sorts of things.

Umm... I don't agree that we know her new family members were racist to her. We don't have any proof of that. All I hear is how they welcomed her with open arms and she basically didn't want anything to do with them.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

One of those things I posted was Kensington Palace's instagram who left damaging (and outright threatening) comments up for days on end that had been flagged. That's pretty egregious. You can't tell me their social media manager shouldn't have been on top of it. It wasn't like those comments just sat there unnoticed, USERS flagged them and posted about them. While they cannot control things that are posted elsewhere, surely they can manage to remove threatening comments from their own social media.

But race is very much a thing, by your own post.

There was a lot of cancel culture and censorship going on then. Without seeing it in context and post for post we do not have the evidence to evaluate. We do not know if those boards were manned all the time.

Race is not a thing.

By the way, nothing I posted was about race. It was about green eyed jealousy as a possible bias.

 

[EilonwyWanderer]

Race is just not a thing.

Yes, there is an ugly fringe element that still gets stuck on race and we all need to watch for that

I mean, which is it? If race isn't a thing, why are some people still racist against people who aren't white? Why do we need to 'watch for that.'

It is clearly, very clearly, still a thing. William even released a statement on how not racist the royal family is, which assumes that race is still a thing in order to make that statement to show how not-racist they are. Which is a bit the palace doth protest too much, but the palace gonna palace.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I agree. I often comment to my husband that I wonder how much is true. However, this feels more like Reality TV, not a documentary. And I admit to a huge bias against Reality TV. Which is part of why I won’t be watching.

I got maybe 15 mins into the first episode yesterday and decided it wasn't quite was I was thinking it could be (not would be but could be) so I'm going to be getting updates about it either via either this thread or FB or other ways. TBH one of the things that turned me off was the music in the first few minutes was a bit much.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

I mean, which is it? If race isn't a thing, why are some people still racist against people who aren't white? Why do we need to 'watch for that.'

It is clearly, very clearly, still a thing. William even released a statement on how not racist the royal family is, which assumes that race is still a thing in order to make that statement to show how not-racist they are. Which is a bit the palace doth protest too much, but the palace gonna palace.

That is so twisted. Race is not a thing among the vast majority of people. Also, there are fringe racists that target every race. There are stupid people who hate whites, blacks, Latinos, orientals, Native Americans, and on and on. Uyghurs, Russians, Ukrainians, Americans, Kurds, … there is no end to the insanity of hating people in groups.

A non-response or a single statement by William does not validate your theory of racism. You have been spoon-fed a lie. Unfortunately, it is a lie that can make money, but repeating it does not make it true.