Harry and Meghan Netflix documentary

[rigs32]

I think you could say Jackie Kennedy carried herself with class but I don't think the not airing public laundry makes her classy. To me that's identifying an attribute we do not view as actually healthy these days and in fact encourage women from all over to speak out when something happens to them.

I completely agree with this. Looking the other way and/or not airing dirty laundry are just enabling the partner's inappropriate behavior.

 

[BayouQueen]

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[mom2rtk]

That is exactly the difference. When the actual show subjects are involved it's bizarre.
Oh woe is me...let's film that again until I document a lot more woe with better makeup and hair. And action!

It's especially unsettling when the people involved have a history of misrepresenting things or outright lying.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I know. And that’s why I don’t take anything produced like that as truth. Might be a little bit of truth in there, but then it’s scripted & changed to make it a bigger TV & ratings draw. Which is what makes this documentary questionable to me.

I think re-enactments themselves are not necessarily the same as being fully scripted and things changed just to drive ratings (again probably because of the various shows I watch) but I can understand feeling like you're not sure if an incident truly occurred or was a combo of things smushed together or embellished some. I don't discount an entire thing (in this case a documentary itself) because of this though but agree you want to take a documentary like you'd expect and if one thing feels off it can make you feel a lot more is off.

I go in with an open mind typically when watching biographies and documentaries. If you were behind your own biography you'd probably want to show yourself in a good light, if you were making a documentary about someone you didn't like you'd probably have some things in there that show them with a negative light. If you think so and so killed so and so (thinking to some of the documentaries I've watched in the past) you probably will zero in on them and may have a bias towards that. Very few documentaries and biographies are made with a neutral person who is strictly interested in someone's life and things that happened in them and often that's after the person(s) are long dead and it's coming from more of a historian viewpoint. In this case with the monarchy I think it's stands to reason that you're unlikely to see much if at all negative light cast on the Queen if a biography was done about her even years from now. Just how it can be at times.

 

[BayouQueen]

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[Ms.Minnie]

There is a time and a place for everything and airing your personal marital problems in public in not IMHO the best place or time. Jackie K had two young children she had to think about, and she was the first lady. Maybe she did air her grievances with JFK but we will never know. What goes on between a married couple should be their business, they don't need the masses getting involve. I'm sure it was humiliating for her to know what was going on and to still have to put on a good face. The fact that she carried herself with dignity and did her job is commendable and shows that yes, she was a class act.

As far as H&M go, who cares? The fact that this is a one-sided story reminds me of a kangaroo court. If both sides of the story can't be told, that says to me that there is something wrong with the story. I think M&H are money hungry and that's why they want to put this story aka dirty laundry out there for the world to see. Not much of a class act IMHO.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

There is a time and a place for everything and airing your personal marital problems in public in not IMHO the best place or time.

Surely you're thinking about this with a bit more awareness? At least I hope. Such blanket statements such as yours are very problematic hence the movements of today. When exactly is the best time or place to discuss? Because when people say things like yours they really mean the answer is never.

Whether you don't or do like that someone actually makes a documentary out of something I can understand wondering if that's necessary for that I can agree that bringing something to light but then making an actual documentary of it does not have to be the eventual path.

 

[barkley]

This whole conversation just all screams about sending women back to the 1950s where they know their place. You can still have a personality and be the spouse of someone famous. You don't have to adhere to ancient social norms just "because" some people think it's classy when really it's damaging.

absolutely a person can have a personality as the spouse of someone famous-no one is saying they can't. if that person doesn't want to adhere to the social norms or protocols of their spouse's source of fame then they need to be aware that there may be push back and potential negative consequences on the part of their spouse's employers, supporters and/or detractors-it comes with the territory.

Like did you really just want her to stay quiet when her mental health was at issue? Because otherwise speaking up is damaging to the royal family?

speak up about what? that she tried to get help via the institution's human resources department? meghan told oprah that she received some sympathy, but that representatives of the institution told her there was nothing they could do for her.

"I remember this conversation like it was yesterday, because they said, 'My heart goes out to you, because I see how bad it is, but there's nothing we can do to protect you, because you're not a paid employee of the institution".

just as with any medical care she had the ability to seek out mental health assistance just as her husband had/has been receiving for years. harry (along with william and kate) has been involved with 'heads together' since its inception back in 2016 so he is intimately familiar with public and private resources. meghan joined the 'heads together' team in 2019 so i'm confused as to why she would go to a department of an institution of which she is not an employee to seek a medical referral(?).

I just don't understand those who value outdated institutions over people.

i think there is a level of protocol and social norm that exists within the royal family that hasn't been spoken of here and plays into the reasoning why some traditions and institutions are so fiercely held onto-elizabeth, now charles and ultimately william serve as the head of the church of england. meghan in so publicly criticizing the royal family and it's (how did you put it?-oh yeah) 'ancient social norms' is also criticizing and in some cases pointedly insulting the cherished and very personal spiritual beliefs and practices of a faith with over 85 million followers.

 

[Ms.Minnie]

There is a time and a place for everything and airing your personal marital problems in public in not IMHO the best place or time.

As far as H&M go, who cares? The fact that this is a one-sided story reminds me of a kangaroo court. If both sides of the story can't be told, that says to me that there is something wrong with the story. I think M&H are money hungry and that's why they want to put this story aka dirty laundry out there for the world to see. Not much of a class act IMHO.

Surely you're thinking about this with a bit more awareness? At least I hope. Such blanket statements such as yours are very problematic hence the movements of today. When exactly is the best time or place to discuss? Because when people say things like yours they really mean the answer is never.

Whether you don't or do like that someone actually makes a documentary out of something I can understand wondering if that's necessary for that I can agree that bringing something to light but then making an actual documentary of it does not have to be the eventual path.

I assure you I'm fully aware. I don't understand why my statement aka the way I think is problematic to you or to anyone else. This is the problem with so many people today and the so called "movements of today". You seem to only be able to see things one way (aka your way). There are always two sides to every story. Maybe you need to try to see things from someone else's perspective.

The best time to discuss would be with the person involved in private. If that is not possible or too dangerous for either party, then a counselor should be included in the conversation. I don't think it needs to be discussed on the town square for all to hear. Nobody but the parties involved need hear or know all the dirty/nasty little secrets.

If my husband were to be doing the things that JFK did to Jackie, I can assure you that I would NOT have tolerated it. But then my life is very different from the life she led so I will not try and presume to know what went on in her head or behind closed doors in their marriage.

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say in your last paragraph so no comment there.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

I assure you I'm fully aware. I don't understand why my statement aka the way I think is problematic to you or to anyone else. This is the problem with so many people today and the so called "movements of today". You seem to only be able to see things one way (aka your way). There are always two sides to every story. Maybe you need to try to see things from someone else's perspective.

The best time to discuss would be with the person involved in private. If that is not possible or too dangerous for either party, then a counselor should be included in the conversation. I don't think it needs to be discussed on the town square for all to hear. Nobody but the parties involved need hear or know all the dirty/nasty little secrets.

If my husband were to be doing the things that JFK did to Jackie, I can assure you that I would NOT have tolerated it. But then my life is very different from the life she led so I will not try and presume to know what went on in her head or behind closed doors in their marriage.

I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say in your last paragraph so no comment there.

Saying "There is a time and a place for everything and airing your personal marital problems in public in not IMHO the best place or time." is a problem statement. It's exactly why so many issues of decades and eras ago happened and continued to happen and then happened to other people, some things could have been stopped if people had aired their personal marital problems. It's why things can still be stigmatized.

I think people have legit issues about book deals and documentaries made when there feels like more of an angle about financial gain and for that I understand why people are looking at their documentary in that light but if you can't separate that out from the larger point of "shhh...we don't talk about these things" as a problem then I'm going to say you (general you) may be operating on solely an issue with them but applying your opinion as a generality.

 

[Karin1984]

To me, there is a difference between: we have a family problem and we talk about it among ourselves and therapists, and airing the problem on tv.

Yes, you can talk to your friends, your work/school. That is all fine in my books, it is not the same as hiding it. But doing it on a national or international platform, then it makes a difference if the problem is resolved.

I am also not a fan of celebrity couples fighting out their divorces on Instagram.

Not everything needs to be known by everyone.

I think people will have an issue with it in general, a money perspective and knowing that the RF won't fight back. Saying things without having to prove it and without the party involved denying or conforming it.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

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[EilonwyWanderer]

I think there's a real power dynamic issue at hand though. If your family talked to you to other family friends that is sucky, but you can also talk to those family friends (or just write them off). If your family is allowing/feeding newspaper articles to damage your reputation? That is a real step up. Especially if you know as Harry does the damage media can cause AND that your family does have the power to bury a story. So I can understand why, if Meghan and Harry really believe the royal family was using damaging stories about Meghan to make sure other members of the royal family (say, perhaps, friends of Epstein) weren't discussed as much, they decided they wanted to have their own story out there in a medium that would help to even the score. Even if it makes people think they're seeking publicity. They can't control the English media (obviously) so going to the American media/Netflix seems like it's not a crazy thing to do.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

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[Ms Bibbidi]

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[EilonwyWanderer]

The very fact that they aired their complaints against the Queen, Charles, William, Kate and others in the royal family is serious emotional abuse.

It is intentional abusive conduct.

What?? If their complaints are valid doesn't that mean they're fighting back against serious emotional abuse from the family? Like we can all agree that Meghan faced racism in the UK right, even from her new family members? Do you understand how damaging that is? That it is something she has to deal with every day?

Being royalty does NOT give you a pass because you're somehow more important than everyone else. If anything it means that the whistleblowers are absolutely essential to helping dismantle these sorts of things.

 

[EilonwyWanderer]

Hocus pocus! Come up with some real evidence -- facts, names, places quotes, show a special interest of the person you are quoting -- rather than just posting your unsubstantiated opinion on a forum. If you are going to accuse like that in the face of royal family assistants posting the opposite -- already debunking those claims -- then you need to put up the evidence to back up such a slanderous suggestion.

Sorry I missed all the posts that had citations in them and weren't just people's opinions posted on a forum about a Netflix series. If the royal palace wants to come after me for them they can feel free to have their lawyers DM me for my "slanderous" claims.

 

[RoseGold]

I am so confused by this whole thing. What are the "wolves"? How are you being "destroyed"? Because some idiots on Twitter post stupid stuff? Or tabloids meanies say things you don't like? They insult her outfits and how she touches her bump. That's what you've got? That's "destroying" this OMG strong woman? Sounds like you shouldn't have signed up for the gig. Because that's the job, you just don't like it.

And some of the bad press they deserved, like all the coverage on their hypocritical private jets. Who cares if Elton John was paying. You just lectured us about the environment.

Neither of them come across looking very bright. I believe Tyler Perry when he says there was no plan. They obviously have someone running their business deals who got them deals like this. I bet that person is very glad they are in America now.

And how embarrassing for Tyler Perry to be in this mess with these whiny fools. If he was trying to speak truth to power, this ain't it.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

Hocus pocus! Come up with some real evidence -- facts, names, places quotes, show a special interest of the person you are quoting -- rather than just posting your unsubstantiated opinion on a forum. If you are going to accuse like that in the face of royal family assistants posting the opposite -- already debunking those claims -- then you need to put up the evidence to back up such a slanderous suggestion.

In fairness just about all these threads contain a heavy dose of someone's opinion all around. Some come from tabloids where we know we should be looking at that with a grain of salt and some are just people sharing their thoughts. I honestly didn't know people were really concerned with the minute details like a curtsey, a smile, a grasp of the hand or any other things but there's been a lot of that and more throughout all the threads. The death of the Queen thread was filled with quite a lot of heavy speculation into the timing of things and all I was thinking was this accomplished woman had passed but yeah I still participated in the thread.

If anything you're exemplifying the most pot meet kettle here. There's a lot of slander that happens against H&M same as what happened with Camila and Charles and others. You can't really claim a poster is making slanderous suggestion without meaning that for everyone, including yourself.

 

[Ms.Minnie]

Saying "There is a time and a place for everything and airing your personal marital problems in public in not IMHO the best place or time." is a problem statement. It's exactly why so many issues of decades and eras ago happened and continued to happen and then happened to other people, some things could have been stopped if people had aired their personal marital problems. It's why things can still be stigmatized.

I think people have legit issues about book deals and documentaries made when there feels like more of an angle about financial gain and for that I understand why people are looking at their documentary in that light but if you can't separate that out from the larger point of "shhh...we don't talk about these things" as a problem then I'm going to say you (general you) may be operating on solely an issue with them but applying your opinion as a generality.

A problem for who exactly? And thank you for proving my point that some people just can't step back and see the other side of the coin so to speak. If you want to believe that if over the centuries women had aired their marital problems to the world that things would be better that is your right to do so. I don't happen to agree. In the past they probably would have been beaten or worse.

What "things" are you talking about? What don't we talk about?

I have no issue with H&M, I don't know them so how could I? My concern with H&M is that they and Netflix are only expressing one side of the story, their side. How do you know that what they are saying is true? Again, there is always another side to consider, and, in this case, I think that the royal family is not going to dignify the story with a retort. At least I hope that is the case. If they do it will turn into a "he said, she said".

I hope that the remainder of your day is a good one. I have a band concert to go to a little later, so I won't be responding further today.