Harry and Meghan Netflix documentary

[Skywalker]

they are young enough that they will have no real memories of their previous lives so it could go either way-they could be so implanted with suspicion, fear and resentment towards both the royal family AND the bulk of meghan's that they adopt a very nuclear family 'us against the world' mentality that will not even allow for them to consider reconciliation (seen this personally with estrangements due to faith based differences), OR they may over time come to question how absolutely everyone that both their father AND mother are related to are such spectacularly horrific people yet their own parents present THEMSELVES as being so good/enlightened/having so much to offer the world...a kind of 'were they self raised?' questioning which could set them off in search of getting to know family and making decisions for themselves (though with meghan i wouldn't be surprised if she was the 'me or them' threatening type with everyone in her life).

Yeah, that's the thing that gets me too. How will they view their parents as being estranged from both sides of both their families? What are the chances of that?

Actually Meghan reminds me very much of a friend I used to have. She seemed on the surface so nice, very engaging to be around, and of course drop dead gorgeous (she looked like a young Elizabeth Taylor) so people were easily enthralled. But over time, a pattern emerged. First she told me about her family, her mother and father and brother. How dysfunctional they all were, how they were all toxic, etc. and she left them behind. Her grandparents too. Then, her boyfriend was toxic and evil and she kicked him to the curb. Then, when she got married, it was her husband's family. Starting with the sister-in-law, then the brother, and then finally even her husband's mom, who he used to be so close to. She systematically destroyed all of those relationships by painting them as evil or stupid in some way. He finally divorced her, and she started dating someone else. Then she turned to that person's teenage children, how they were evil and toxic. Eventually, she started in on MY husband, saying how evil he was until I finally had to cut her out of my life. Her last words to me were, "I can't believe you are letting a man come between us.". Um yeah, that man being my husband and father of my children lol. It was an insecurity of some kind I think, she had to get rid of everyone that was a threat to her being number one. To hear her speak she would never think she was a bad person or a trouble maker, she was in her mind, 100% a victim. Some people are just....damaged.

Seems like Harry found someone who would just reinforce his grievances and egg him on because that is how she lives her life as well. They see no flaw in each other because they are clinging to each other and demonizing all others. I DO feel sorry for their children. It can't be ideal to be raised by two raging narcissists.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

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[EilonwyWanderer]

So just to be clear, your critique here is boiling down to Meghan not having the body of a skinny white woman? Suddenly this thread is making a lot more sense to me.

 

[Ms Bibbidi]

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[AndreaA]

So just to be clear, your critique here is boiling down to Meghan not having the body of a skinny white woman? Suddenly this thread is making a lot more sense to me.

I wish people would get off the race angle. Maybe for some people it’s an issue, but it truly isn’t what turns most people against her or him. I had no idea who she was, no idea of her race, nothing, and I still thought she was conniving and scheming right from the beginning. There was just always something “off” about her. Finding out her race would normally have made me want to give her more leeway - assuming she was working through some things - but man, she was just always so horrid in various ways.

 

[Karin1984]

So just to be clear, your critique here is boiling down to Meghan not having the body of a skinny white woman? Suddenly this thread is making a lot more sense to me.

It was a low blow as it was an unflattering picture of Meghan. But when you put these two pictures together, I wouldn't go for the size of the booty or race, but that Meghan's dress looked gorgeous from the front, but when she moved it seemed not as well fitted. And a dress that is fitted properly doesn't care about race or size of booty.

 

[ttintagel]

So just to be clear, your critique here is boiling down to Meghan not having the body of a skinny white woman? Suddenly this thread is making a lot more sense to me.

Yeah, I have the feeling that if she were photographed with a hangnail, all of a sudden hangnails would be the biggest moral feeling anyone could imagine. Didn’t you know hangnails are a sign of narcissism? She’d remind everybody so much of this awful person they used to know who always had hangnails. And of course, you can just tell that Harry is miserable about her hangnail, but he’s too afraid to say anything.

This whole thread is surreal.

 

[Karin1984]

With the latest trailer where Meghan says the palace fed stories to the press, the first replies from the press are coming in. The Daily Mail's royal editor, Rebecca English, already has posted: "If there were negative stories leaked to the press, they would have leaked it to me. And my job wasn't as easy to sit and wait for the palace to call." She didn't start hearing negative stories till 6 months after the marriage and not by the palace.

I am going to guess the rest of the press will follow in a few hours.

They have to come with evidence now, it's way too late to go 'don't complain, don't explain' after this.

 

[Karin1984]

And we're off!

What have we learned in the last 3 episodes are mainly additional comments about things we already knew.

What have learned:
- The Daily Mail caused Meghan's miscarriage due to the stress her court battle caused her.
- The Queen's private secretary compard Meghan to a foreign organism.
- Harry hates himself for thinking bout the institution and not as a husband when Meghan was suicidal
- Meghan repeats the claim that she wasn't allowed to seek help.
- Harry makes it sound that he didn't want to get married and only did it out of expectation being Diana's boy.
- Their house wasn't big enough.
- According to Harry it's all because Meghan was better at being a royal than those born into it.
- The palace is leaking and planting stories.
- William screamed at Harry during the Sandringham Summit, his father said things that weren't true and their grandmother didn't speak.
- The 'happy to lie about me to protect my brother' is about that Harry wasn't asked about a joint statement about Megxit was because William bullied them out.
- Meghan never asked to leave, it was Harry's decision.
- Meghan thought the biggest takeaway from the Oprah interview would be her depression. Not the race-comment.
- Harry and Meghan hadn't seen the Oprah interview on forehand, only when the rest of the world saw it.
- The Queen and Charles advised her to send a letter to her father.


Oh, and in other news, Henry Cavill won't return as Superman after all. Not really related, but interesting news nonetheless.

 

[Karin1984]

From what I have seen now, no big accusations directed at Charles, Camilla or Kate. William is more the target now.

The press will find enough to criticize and contradict, but I don't think the Palace will respond.

 

[mousefan73]

Of course William would scream at Harry ! Does it surprise anyone- seeing what the implications were? what is he suppose to say " oh sure go live your life?- screw our institution that has been in tact for 1000s of years". Heck my dad once screamed at me for saying I wanted to go on vacation with friends over Easter vs coming home to family and told me I had family obligations.

 

[Karin1984]

Do we know more if they had camera's in their home or just home videos?

Below scene was weird.
They are at home, Meghan is on the phone with Perry, going over a statement and Harry receives a text from William about Oprah.

Did they film this on their phones or was this done by Netflix' cameras? If this is part of their 15 hours vlogging their journey, it is weird. But a re-enactment is also weird.

 

[RangerPooh]

i think back on how jackie kennedy found somewhat of a balance with the media and the frenzy over her children. she released photos and arranged for some private photo opportunities in exchange for some privacy. she recognized that at public events and ceremonies that she and her children were going to be photographed so she minimized their inclusion.

Jackie Kennedy also came across as a class act. She seemed aware of social norms in upper society and expectations of her (family) being married to a president. H&M are showing to be less of a class act.

I feel that H&M are attention seekers who want to play the victim, to keep their names in the media. Far from the “privacy “ they claimed to be seeking.

I’m tired of her/them playing dumb about expectations of their roles, royal order. Being from Hollywood does not mean that the royal family bows down to you Meghan, it’s the other way around. Sounds like she just wanted more attention and when she wasn’t getting what she created her own. Harry was popular enough, perhaps she was jealous of his popularity and her lack there of.

I’m ready for ties to be completely severed and a gag order to be issued. Remove titles, sever inheritances, and see how they actually move on with their lives.

 

[mousefan73]

Do we know more if they had camera's in their home or just home videos?

Below scene was weird.
They are at home, Meghan is on the phone with Perry, going over a statement and Harry receives a text from William about Oprah.

Did they film this on their phones or was this done by Netflix' cameras? If this is part of their 15 hours vlogging their journey, it is weird. But a re-enactment is also weird.


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the whole thing is wierd. so staged, superficial, fake, ... but here is my thought... if this is a war of which side the public is on.. it's very simple. They have chosen a private life of celebrity. Celebrtiy today is different than 20 years ago. It's a 24/hr news cycle and more. In the next few years celebrity wise, the next shiny thing will come and go. The Royal institution is not celebrity and has been around for 1000s of year and still strong. the 24/hr news and celebrity cycle plays no role here in the end. Sure there is the Royal/Press relationship but Royals will ALWAYS be a topic, If H&M will be a celebrities? time will tell

 

[RangerPooh]

Of course William would scream at Harry ! Does it surprise anyone- seeing what the implications were? what is he suppose to say " oh sure go live your life?- screw our institution that has been in tact for 1000s of years". Heck my dad once screamed at me for saying I wanted to go on vacation with friends over Easter vs coming home to family and told me I had family obligations.

Exactly. It’s not as if they didn’t know from the time they were young that they were royal. Who would eventually become king. I’m thinking Harry’s own jealousy is at play here; whether he actually wanted a throne of his own or not. Harry leaving would cause a stir. I’m sure it could have been done, but in a calmer way than what was conveyed. Wanting privacy but clearly not, and accusations of discrimination, etc is not the way to go about it.

Do we know more if they had camera's in their home or just home videos?

Below scene was weird.
They are at home, Meghan is on the phone with Perry, going over a statement and Harry receives a text from William about Oprah.

Did they film this on their phones or was this done by Netflix' cameras? If this is part of their 15 hours vlogging their journey, it is weird. But a re-enactment is also weird.


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I haven’t see the documentary, but filming at all times within your own home does not make a good impression.

 

[mousefan73]

I wonder what is left for the book to tell? I assume he goes more into details of his mom. that will sell

 

[AndreaA]

Of course William would scream at Harry ! Does it surprise anyone- seeing what the implications were? what is he suppose to say " oh sure go live your life?- screw our institution that has been in tact for 1000s of years". Heck my dad once screamed at me for saying I wanted to go on vacation with friends over Easter vs coming home to family and told me I had family obligations.

Yeah, I haven’t watched anything but have been keeping up via news articles that hit the highlights, and this one was just a huge eye-roll. I mean how privileged is this guy that the biggest shock was his brother yelling at him over a HUGE life choice that affected the entire family and a thousand years of tradition? I’d also like to know what “lies” Charles was saying. I really blame society for coming up with the idea that there are multiple versions of the truth, with H&M saying that they’re telling “their truth”. No, you’re telling your spin on the facts, highlighting what you want and ignoring what your don’t like. The truth doesn’t care about how you feel, sort of like science doesn’t care if you believe in it.

 

[mousefan73]

William screaming also shows that the Royal family did care and want them, right? I mean if they really felt Meghan was a "organism" and wanted her out, then why put up a fight.. ??

 

[mousefan73]

I wonder if part of it is that H&M are the generation where everyone got a trophey.

 

[Karin1984]

I wonder if part of it is that H&M are the generation where everyone got a trophey.

They probably think of each other as trophies ;-)

Anyone seen it yet? From what I can make up from the British press there is no proof for any of the claims and no information 'this comes next', what H&M are going to focus on from now on?