GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

Yes, masks are one tool. But many people in our country are still not wearing them. Rapid testing is only available to private organizations, like, the NBA for example.
I realise all of that, but I was responding to a poster who stated 'In countries where correct mask wearing is common, it does stop transmission of the virus.'

This has not been the case in Hong Kong, South Korea, Japan, etc, which are often lauded here for their mask wearing. Even with very high rates of wearing masks, there are other factors which result in transmission of the virus. It is only one tool of many (and yes, I realise that until the US can get testing and contact tracing figured out, the tool kit is quite deficient)
 
This is why I won't send my kid to school. I simply do not trust the people in my community. They have proven to be incredibly ignorant about this virus, among other things.

Omg...100% this.

And this is playing out state vs. state. It boggles my mind what is happening in Florida.

I just a saw a tweet by someone who happened to be in Orlando, horrified that the Red Lobster he was driving by is wide open for indoor dining. Meanwhile, over on Planet NJ, I just got back from taking my dog to the vet for bloodwork. Drive in to a numbered spot. A masked employed comes over and checks my dog in on an iPad. I stand several feet back. Then I get a text from the front desk asking me to confirm that I have not been exposed to COVID, and have no symptoms. Then, someone texts me to find out what spot I'm in. Then the Vet Tech walks out, masked, and I hand over my schnauzer, also wearing my mask.

But, in Florida, where the infection is raging....people are going indoors to dine. It's just nuts. We're not just separate states at this point, it's another planet. And if I lived in one of those states with so-so compliance, there's no way my kid would be going to school.
 
Omg...100% this.

And this is playing out state vs. state. It boggles my mind what is happening in Florida.

I just a saw a tweet by someone who happened to be in Orlando, horrified that the Red Lobster he was driving by is wide open for indoor dining. Meanwhile, over on Planet NJ, I just got back from taking my dog to the vet for bloodwork. Drive in to a numbered spot. A masked employed comes over and checks my dog in on an iPad. I stand several feet back. Then I get a text from the front desk asking me to confirm that I have not been exposed to COVID, and have no symptoms. Then, someone texts me to find out what spot I'm in. Then the Vet Tech walks out, masked, and I hand over my schnauzer, also wearing my mask.

But, in Florida, where the infection is raging....people are going indoors to dine. It's just nuts. We're not just separate states at this point, it's another planet. And if I lived in one of those states with so-so compliance, there's no way my kid would be going to school.


We just got a mask mandate in Louisiana like a week ago. We were doing so well and then BOOM phase 2 and now we have more cases per day than ever. :(
 
There's only one reason really - travel. If a person doesn't move around neither does the virus. If everyone in the world could stay at home for 2-3 weeks starting today, it would be over.
That is an incredibly naive, and frankly elitist, though. Look at South Africa as an example. They closed their airspace. They had one of the strictest lockdowns in the world (no alcohol, no tobacco, no non-essential groceries, movement only within a very small radius of kilometres from home to get food)Then they reopened.

Now the virus is rampant, and the poor are in even more dire situations than before. The lockdown only benefited the middle and upper classes, and now many of them are losing jobs as well (well paying, 'white collar' jobs in finance, law, offices, etc) During the lockdown those living in poverty struggled even more to find food and medical care. The same situation is playing out across many countries globally, but here people are fixated on getting back to theme parks whilst elsewhere NGOs and voluntary organizations cannot get their people onsite to deal with the massive starvation our privileged decisions have caused. Nor does anyone seem to mention that here. The same situation is playing out across central and south America.

Even in places with a less strict lockdown, the virus rises. We knew that would happen when restrictions were lifted, and so long as testing/tracing and good medical care is in place, it can be managed. (Again, with the understanding that the US is on a different path than many countries in Asia and in Europe)
 

This is why I won't send my kid to school. I simply do not trust the people in my community. They have proven to be incredibly ignorant about this virus, among other things.

I agree. I just talked to my daughter last night. She has a group of 7-8 Mom's that are friends from my granddaughter's classroom. My daughter and 1 other Mom are the only ones that believe in masks, yet the others want their kids in school. These Mom's are all stay at home Moms and for the most part, affluent. They want their kids out of their hair, I guess. They don't want to teach them, they want to go play tennis, shop and lunch, I guess. I can't imagine hiring a tutor is out of the reach of most of them either. It's reprehensible. Meanwhile, it's my immune-compromised granddaughter that gets sick or dies, infected by one of these kids.

Luckily, they are starting the school next month with non-traditional instruction until the end of September. They will watch our public health situation and make plans accordingly.
 
I agree. I just talked to my daughter last night. She has a group of 7-8 Mom's that are friends from my granddaughter's classroom. My daughter and 1 other Mom are the only ones that believe in masks, yet the others want their kids in school. These Mom's are all stay at home Moms and for the most part, affluent. They want their kids out of their hair, I guess. They don't want to teach them, they want to go play tennis, shop and lunch, I guess. I can't imagine hiring a tutor is out of the reach of most of them either. It's reprehensible. Meanwhile, it's my immune-compromised granddaughter that gets sick or dies, infected by one of these kids.

Luckily, they are starting the school next month with non-traditional instruction until the end of September. They will watch our public health situation and make plans accordingly.


YES this so much! My friend is making masks for school kids as a little side hustle and she is mostly selling to the rich moms who stay at home. I've seen Facebook comments on the school posts saying, "send your kids and get your days back! The teachers will take good care of them!" Yikes.
 
That is an incredibly naive, and frankly elitist, though. Look at South Africa as an example. They closed their airspace. They had one of the strictest lockdowns in the world (no alcohol, no tobacco, no non-essential groceries, movement only within a very small radius of kilometres from home to get food)Then they reopened.

Now the virus is rampant, and the poor are in even more dire situations than before. The lockdown only benefited the middle and upper classes, and now many of them are losing jobs as well (well paying, 'white collar' jobs in finance, law, offices, etc) During the lockdown those living in poverty struggled even more to find food and medical care. The same situation is playing out across many countries globally, but here people are fixated on getting back to theme parks whilst elsewhere NGOs and voluntary organizations cannot get their people onsite to deal with the massive starvation our privileged decisions have caused. Nor does anyone seem to mention that here. The same situation is playing out across central and south America.

Even in places with a less strict lockdown, the virus rises. We knew that would happen when restrictions were lifted, and so long as testing/tracing and good medical care is in place, it can be managed. (Again, with the understanding that the US is on a different path than many countries in Asia and in Europe)

I’m pretty sure the poster wasn’t saying that this is possible. But reality is that if it was somehow possible for everyone to stay home for a given time period, the virus might die. Just because it could work does not necessarily mean that is what the poster was advocating for. I don’t think anyone thinks that that is a realistic solution. And my impression of the use of the word “travel” meant any movement outside the home, not necessarily travel to other cities.
 
Omg...100% this.

And this is playing out state vs. state. It boggles my mind what is happening in Florida.

I just a saw a tweet by someone who happened to be in Orlando, horrified that the Red Lobster he was driving by is wide open for indoor dining. Meanwhile, over on Planet NJ, I just got back from taking my dog to the vet for bloodwork. Drive in to a numbered spot. A masked employed comes over and checks my dog in on an iPad. I stand several feet back. Then I get a text from the front desk asking me to confirm that I have not been exposed to COVID, and have no symptoms. Then, someone texts me to find out what spot I'm in. Then the Vet Tech walks out, masked, and I hand over my schnauzer, also wearing my mask.

But, in Florida, where the infection is raging....people are going indoors to dine. It's just nuts. We're not just separate states at this point, it's another planet. And if I lived in one of those states with so-so compliance, there's no way my kid would be going to school.
I’m probably going to get flamed for this but...I live in Florida and my vet still does appointments just as you described. Also I haven’t eaten in a restaurant since March and tried to go to a Panera to eat outside yesterday. It was closed to pickup orders only so I went to Chick-fil-A and ate in my car. All of us in FL aren’t living on Planet Crazy here.
 
You did very well, but then I'm not sure our poster will be able to understand this either.

I got off the DISboards for a few weeks because it's like screaming into the wind. I decide to come back and we seem to have made very little progress. I'm beginning to question why I would want to vacation on Disney property if these are the people I would encounter. I understand it takes all kinds to make the world, but I just never thought that a pandemic would bring out the people who can't or won't comprehend grade school science.

I now must of these deniers won't believe they are the reason our economy is trashed either. It would be so simple to knock this virus to a manageable level and grow our economy slowly back to a livable level, but it is beyond some people.

Reminds me of winter. I was asked once if I was scared of driving in snow. My answer was I'm not scared of driving in snow. I'm scared of all the idiots driving in snow.
 
I wonder where the NPR got their evidence of a potential 30% effectiveness?

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-lack-of-evidence-with-politics/


And that is with medical grade masks.

Masks, especially poorly worn homemade cloth masks, may reduce transmission 0%. The NPR should publish that same graphic with the left and right sides identical because that could just as well be the case.

The value I see in masks is that requiring them makes a portion of the population willing to get out and about and live their life.
For a datapoint from our hospital three months ago when we stabilized our surge and enjoying a 3% positive rate in the community.

Tested all our ED staff both swabs for active disease and serology for past exposure. These are the ones who interacted up close, for prolonged periods with only masking We had deployed standard universal masking policies for all staff and patients.

Community positive: 3%
Staff positive 0.9%

Masking protects and reduces transmission. If we don't use it when there's <6 feet spacing, we're leaving a tool at the sidelines.

Another analogy -- helmets. Sure they don't protect from all head injuries in football, so let's not use them, right?
 
I’m probably going to get flamed for this but...I live in Florida and my vet still does appointments just as you described. Also I haven’t eaten in a restaurant since March and tried to go to a Panera to eat outside yesterday. It was closed to pickup orders only so I went to Chick-fil-A and ate in my car. All of us in FL aren’t living on Planet Crazy here.
Thank you! I am so tired of people judging the whole state of Florida because of a percentage of the population. My sister lives down there, and believe it or not, some do still care.
 
That is an incredibly naive, and frankly elitist, though. Look at South Africa as an example. They closed their airspace. They had one of the strictest lockdowns in the world (no alcohol, no tobacco, no non-essential groceries, movement only within a very small radius of kilometres from home to get food)Then they reopened.

Now the virus is rampant, and the poor are in even more dire situations than before. The lockdown only benefited the middle and upper classes, and now many of them are losing jobs as well (well paying, 'white collar' jobs in finance, law, offices, etc) During the lockdown those living in poverty struggled even more to find food and medical care. The same situation is playing out across many countries globally, but here people are fixated on getting back to theme parks whilst elsewhere NGOs and voluntary organizations cannot get their people onsite to deal with the massive starvation our privileged decisions have caused. Nor does anyone seem to mention that here. The same situation is playing out across central and south America.

Even in places with a less strict lockdown, the virus rises. We knew that would happen when restrictions were lifted, and so long as testing/tracing and good medical care is in place, it can be managed. (Again, with the understanding that the US is on a different path than many countries in Asia and in Europe)
I did not say we should lock down. Please go back and read my post. I added an "ETA" bracket to stop assumptions that I meant the word "should" when I actually said "could".

Other than the first line that I'm naive and elitist (ouch) I agree with everything that you said. Unless that makes both of us naive and elitist?
 
I just a saw a tweet by someone who happened to be in Orlando, horrified that the Red Lobster he was driving by is wide open for indoor dining. Meanwhile, over on Planet NJ, I just got back from taking my dog to the vet for bloodwork. Drive in to a numbered spot. A masked employed comes over and checks my dog in on an iPad. I stand several feet back. Then I get a text from the front desk asking me to confirm that I have not been exposed to COVID, and have no symptoms. Then, someone texts me to find out what spot I'm in. Then the Vet Tech walks out, masked, and I hand over my schnauzer, also wearing my mask.

But, in Florida, where the infection is raging....people are going indoors to dine. It's just nuts. We're not just separate states at this point, it's another planet.
Is it not possible the Red Lobster is limiting people? We went out to eat three times in June. Every restaurant was leaving tables empty. However, going to the hospital, you park and call in and they'll call you back when they're ready for you to enter. Are any NJ restaurants open?
 
I’m probably going to get flamed for this but...I live in Florida and my vet still does appointments just as you described. Also I haven’t eaten in a restaurant since March and tried to go to a Panera to eat outside yesterday. It was closed to pickup orders only so I went to Chick-fil-A and ate in my car. All of us in FL aren’t living on Planet Crazy here.

Our vet we go to in Ocoee is also doing appointments like that still. Only exception is special circumstances like putting a pet down, which I unfortunately experienced this past Monday when we put our dog down. First time in a awhile that we’ve been indoors for a significant time at a place other than our house.

Most in Orange County seem to be following the mask requirement as well. When do grocery or food pickup I rarely see anyone without a mask even in the parking lot. I also went into the garden center area at Lowe’s in Winter Garden the other day and everyone was masked up even outside. But that said I was shocked just how packed the parking lot for all the other stores in that shopping center was. It looked like any other weekend day before the pandemic.
 
I'm so sorry that you had to lose your best friend during this time. 😢

Thank you, it was definitely hard to do. I didn’t want to drive over there the day we took him in. He was an almost 13 year old German Shepard so he had a good long life! He unfortunately had nasal cancer and not much can be done about it at his age.

We did get a new puppy just before the pandemic got bad in February so having her around has definitely helped after putting our old boy down.
 
Thank you! I am so tired of people judging the whole state of Florida because of a percentage of the population. My sister lives down there, and believe it or not, some do still care.
So true, and at the same time it would be awesome if the judgment and attacks could just stop in general. If someone does want to walk around Disney, who am I to judge? If someone in the US is frustrated, I guess you could do things like send a letter to a person that could make a difference?

It seems the normal assumption is that everyone is far right or left. People are allowed to make their own decisions, and that includes private businesses. It's inevitable we won't agree with all of the decisions made, so we can take our business elsewhere in those cases.
 
Thank you, it was definitely hard to do. I didn’t want to drive over there the day we took him in. He was an almost 13 year old German Shepard so he had a good long life! He unfortunately had nasal cancer and not much can be done about it at his age.

We did get a new puppy just before the pandemic got bad in February so having her around has definitely helped after putting our old boy down.

He's not suffering either. It is so hard to let go of them, but it is the right thing to do. I hope you have lots of great memories.

Awwww....a new puppy! You will have many fun days ahead. Enjoy her!
 

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