GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[Searc]

Omg. Are you kidding?

Sadly, no.

 

[TLSnell1981]

You can still have the economy open with social distancing in place. Most things can work with staying 6 ft apart from others. I don't see going back to the way we lived for a long time.

Sorry, I misread your post.

 

[TLSnell1981]

A gas and a liquid aren't comparable. I've read someone else trying to equate respiratory droplets with farts (seems to be making its rounds on the anti-mask forums).

 

[dvcgirl67]

I’m probably going to get flamed for this but...I live in Florida and my vet still does appointments just as you described. Also I haven’t eaten in a restaurant since March and tried to go to a Panera to eat outside yesterday. It was closed to pickup orders only so I went to Chick-fil-A and ate in my car. All of us in FL aren’t living on Planet Crazy here.

I don't think you're all crazy. But clearly a good percentage of Floridians aren't complying. We have an occasional non-compliant person around here too. The difference is that in Florida, state-wide, people are eating indoors at restaurants. I mean, that's happening at Disney...is it not? The process I described at my Vet (and at your vet in Florida as well) is what is happening everywhere here. Anywhere indoors that you're interacting with anyone, it's still very strict.

 

[DoryGirl1963]

I’m probably going to get flamed for this but...I live in Florida and my vet still does appointments just as you described. Also I haven’t eaten in a restaurant since March and tried to go to a Panera to eat outside yesterday. It was closed to pickup orders only so I went to Chick-fil-A and ate in my car. All of us in FL aren’t living on Planet Crazy here.

Another Florida resident here & I don't know anyone that's done indoor dining yet. I go out to work everyday in an office at a small biz in central Florida & we've had masks on, social distancing & tons of extra sanitizer/cleaning since the very first cases started in March. We have 35 employees that basically go to work and home period & because my boss belongs to a group of small business leaders, this is what's happening at most places fortunate enough to still be open, at least here in the middle of the state.

Most folks are wearing masks everywhere (grocery, gas station) now - compliance has really picked up in the last month though it was pretty good in our area all along.

So there are definitely a lot of us here in Florida doing the right thing .

 

[skeeter31]

I don't think you're all crazy. But clearly a good percentage of Floridians aren't complying. We have an occasional non-compliant person around here too. The difference is that in Florida, state-wide, people are eating indoors at restaurants. I mean, that's happening at Disney...is it not? The process I described at my Vet (and at your vet in Florida as well) is what is happening everywhere here. Anywhere indoors that you're interacting with anyone, it's still very strict.

Unfortunately that’s because the state decided to reopen fully and there are people that will then go about life as if nothing happened. We’re another a Florida family that hasn’t been out of the house since mid March. Have had groceries and pizza delivered by Grubhub, Instacart, and Amazon Fresh. And have done all other shopping online. We are taking this very seriously.

 

[trmiv]

A lot of us

Unfortunately that’s because the state decided to reopen fully and there are people that will then go about life as if nothing happened. We’re another a Florida family that hasn’t been out of the house since mid March. Have had groceries and pizza delivered by Grubhub, Instacart, and Amazon Fresh. And have done all other shopping online. We are taking this very seriously.

Same here except we do curbside pickup at Publix because I found it so much cheaper than Instacart. Oddly it’s usually Instacart shoppers doing the shopping anyway. They also bag in paper bags which I like.

Unfortunately even with all the precautions we’ve taken and forcing ourselves to stay at home for months, it will all go out the window in a few weeks when my wife, who is a teacher, has to go back to work.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Unfortunately that’s because the state decided to reopen fully and there are people that will then go about life as if nothing happened. We’re another a Florida family that hasn’t been out of the house since mid March. Have had groceries and pizza delivered by Grubhub, Instacart, and Amazon Fresh. And have done all other shopping online. We are taking this very seriously.

I get it. And I'm not bashing the citizens who are complying with the rules in Florida, not at all. DH and I lived in Orlando from 2004-2007. I'd be incensed if I lived there now. I know at least 1/2 of Floridians are taking it seriously, and that's a good thing. But we all have to be on the same page with this thing, and because we're not....well, here we are. You have made a personal decision to not fully participate in the economy because you don't feel that the country/state has done enough to keep you safe. That's what Americans are being forced to do all over the country. Isn't that the number one job of government? To keep us as safe as they possibly can?

In my part of the country, even when things do open up, people are staying home. There's an article in the New York Times today about mid-town Manhattan. Offices are technically "open" there. Nobody is going to work though. Businesses that support those millions of office workers....are dying a slow death. One person in the article tries to appeal to the patriotism of those office workers, implying that it's their duty to go back to work to support Manhattan. I laughed out loud...yeah, ok. It's not going to happen.

I live in a town along the NJ transit line into the city. The parking lot for that station is usually at overflow capacity with commuters also having to park on our town streets. That parking lot remains almost entirely empty....every single day, still. And it's not changing anytime soon.

 

[wombat_5606]

So true, and at the same time it would be awesome if the judgment and attacks could just stop in general. If someone does want to walk around Disney, who am I to judge? If someone in the US is frustrated, I guess you could do things like send a letter to a person that could make a difference?

It seems the normal assumption is that everyone is far right or left. People are allowed to make their own decisions, and that includes private businesses. It's inevitable we won't agree with all of the decisions made, so we can take our business elsewhere in those cases.

It's not quite that simple though. The actions and decisions of an individual today, can impact their family and even a perfect stranger and it's not inconceivable, many strangers. So everyone is really invested in the behavior of others now.

Thank you! I am so tired of people judging the whole state of Florida because of a percentage of the population. My sister lives down there, and believe it or not, some do still care.

My daughter lives in Florida, too. But is your sister angry?

I'm angry at Floridians and travelers that don't do what is necessary to keep my daughter safe as she goes about her day whether it's working or getting groceries and gas. She does her part and it isn't too much to ask for the others she comes in contact with to do the same.

I do think many states are doing better than Florida. I know there are lots of Floridians that do the right thing, but I just wish your state leadership was in on it. I get up with hope that things will get better there every single day. I would like to see my daughter again.

 

[lovethesun12]

It's not quite that simple though. The actions and decisions of an individual today, can impact their family and even a perfect stranger and it's not inconceivable, many strangers. So everyone is really invested in the behavior of others now.

That is true, it's very complicated. I did initially agree with full lockdown (if people were paid/etc, not for all areas obviously), etc, and it did work for some areas. I mentioned earlier it worked here but I'm absolutely just stating a fact up to this point, we could be overrun tomorrow, you can't make assumptions regarding where this thing will go and what it will do.

I did change my mind though on lockdowns because I'm really just seeing a shift in social media. Everything is anger/judgment/hate and it's so sad. Is this from being locked down? I'm inclined to think it plays a role. If someone thinks this is a hoax and they aren't mandated to wear a mask, maybe it's better for everyone as a whole if we don't force them to? What level of anger is that going to create in their mind? People will have very little success at changing the opinion of others at this point.

If someone just feels they need to go to WDW for a break and feels the measures they have in place are safe, again that's their choice. I'm not sure it's better for society if everyone feels everyone else should be mandated to follow what they think is best.

 

[montreid]

Angry doesn't get us to go. At the same time, wishing/hoping that this virus will go away shouldn't be our Plan A (or B or C).

It will take us ALL TOGETHER to get this virus under control, utilizing ALL the tools available to us to achieve this goal, and get us back on our feet.

Do that mean inconveniences on many people's individual lives? Most definitely. It's what's needed to control this virus. Time again in other countries who have controlled it, if one lets their guard down and relax too much, the virus WILL surge.

So WE ALL need to get it together. Stop fighting each other and concentrate our efforts to get back on our feet by utilizing our collective energies in defeating this by using all and every tool that we have.

Does this statement make sense or not?

 

[anthony2k7]

I dont get it anymore. It really does look like Florida has plateaued somehow. I didn't believe it when the cases kinda leveled out - insufficient capacity would explain that, but now hospital admissions seem kinda flat as well.

How is that possible when they have done so little. Yet places like spain/Hong Kong/Japan are well into a 2nd wave after being so much more cautious.

 

[*DisneyDreamer]

It's not quite that simple though. The actions and decisions of an individual today, can impact their family and even a perfect stranger and it's not inconceivable, many strangers. So everyone is really invested in the behavior of others now.



My daughter lives in Florida, too. But is your sister angry?

I'm angry at Floridians and travelers that don't do what is necessary to keep my daughter safe as she goes about her day whether it's working or getting groceries and gas. She does her part and it isn't too much to ask for the others she comes in contact with to do the same.

I do think many states are doing better than Florida. I know there are lots of Floridians that do the right thing, but I just wish your state leadership was in on it. I get up with hope that things will get better there every single day. I would like to see my daughter again.

She is angry, and so am I and the rest of my family, but where does anger really get us?

 

[Searc]

I dont get it anymore. It really does look like Florida has plateaued somehow. I didn't believe it when the cases kinda leveled out - insufficient capacity would explain that, but now hospital admissions seem kinda flat as well.

How is that possible when they have done so little. Yet places like spain/Hong Kong/Japan are well into a 2nd wave after being so much more cautious.

Because they're lying about the numbers, with the help of the government.

 

[wombat_5606]

That is true, it's very complicated. I did initially agree with full lockdown, etc, and it did work for some areas. I mentioned earlier it worked here but I'm absolutely just stating a fact up to this point, we could be overrun tomorrow, you can't make assumptions regarding where this thing will go and what it will do.

I did change my mind though on lockdowns because I'm really just seeing a shift in social media. Everything is anger/judgment/hate and it's so sad. Is this from being locked down? I'm inclined to think it plays a role. If someone thinks this is a hoax and they aren't mandated to wear a mask, maybe it's better for everyone as a whole if we don't force them to? What level of anger is that going to create in their mind? People will have very little success at changing the opinion of others at this point.

If someone just feels they need to go to WDW for a break and feels the measures they have in place are safe, again that's their choice. I'm not sure it's better for society if everyone feels everyone else should be mandated to follow what they think is best.

First, our lockdowns would have worked, if they had been done correctly. To get out of lockdown, places were to have 5% positivity for 14 straight days. No one did that in Florida and I would say, it was few and far between in the entire country. They were to open gradually and watch their infection rates. Here again, no one did it. So, a lockdown done correctly would have been beneficial.

Next, perhaps the hoax, and angry people and the non-maskers should be the ones to stay indoors? Because the people that do comply with the safety protocols will keep each other safe and our rates of transmission will lower enough and when we have things under control, we can let the non-compliant people come out and enjoy the fruits of our labor.

Finally, we do now how to control and slow the virus. It has to have people to live. It moves from people to people as they move. It can be slowed by wearing a mask, by social distancing and washing your hands. There are just too many people who will not do those 3 things.

So the cycle we are stuck in, is that part of our society gets to go out and party like it's 2018 and be happy
and the rest of us can sit at home until we die.

I just can't agree with your thought process. We should encourage and reward good behavior. Those who are non-compliant should be home. It's just not me telling you to stay home and what to do to be safe, it's infectious disease scientists. I think they know more than you and me put together.

 

[montreid]

I dont get it anymore. It really does look like Florida has plateaued somehow. I didn't believe it when the cases kinda leveled out - insufficient capacity would explain that, but now hospital admissions seem kinda flat as well.

How is that possible when they have done so little. Yet places like spain/Hong Kong/Japan are well into a 2nd wave after being so much more cautious.

They measure outbreaks surge in the 10s to 100. and can contact trace through them to isolate and cap and adjust prevention measures.

We measure cases in the tens of thousands.

In our county, our daily numbers never got down into the double digits. Ever.

 

[wombat_5606]

She is angry, and so am I and the rest of my family, but where does anger really get us?

Sometime's it gets things done.

Posting about how people should give Florida a break isn't doing anything either.

Most people on this board are Disney fans and like to go to Florida, either for the parks, the weather and/or the beaches, etc. Can't you understand that they are frustrated and angry that Florida isn't doing the things necessary to make travel to Florida a possibility in their future?

The best way to reach a lot of Floridians is on this board and maybe they can influence their politicians because I'm sure an email from Joe Schmo in Kokomo, Indiana isn't going to do it.

 

[*DisneyDreamer]

I'm sure they do. I wish your Governor was one of those people.

Not my Governor. I don’t live there.

 

[lovethesun12]

First, our lockdowns would have worked, if they had been done correctly. To get out of lockdown, places were to have 5% positivity for 14 straight days. No one did that in Florida and I would say, it was few and far between in the entire country. They were to open gradually and watch their infection rates. Here again, no one did it. So, a lockdown done correctly would have been beneficial.

Next, perhaps the hoax, and angry people and the non-maskers should be the ones to stay indoors? Because the people that do comply with the safety protocols will keep each other safe and our rates of transmission will lower enough and when we have things under control, we can let the non-compliant people come out and enjoy the fruits of our labor.

Finally, we do now how to control and slow the virus. It has to have people to live. It moves from people to people as they move. It can be slowed by wearing a mask, by social distancing and washing your hands. There are just too many people who will not do those 3 things.

So the cycle we are stuck in, is that part of our society gets to go out and party like it's 2018 and be happy
and the rest of us can sit at home until we die.

I just can't agree with your thought process. We should encourage and reward good behavior. Those who are non-compliant should be home. It's just not me telling you to stay home and what to do to be safe, it's infectious disease scientists. I think they know more than you and me put together.

We can agree to disagree. I do agree with all your thoughts, especially on infectious disease experts (I'd add economists because they agreed with lockdowns too) which is why I basically just do what they say and hope for the best. I just don't feel like anyone trying to force the opinions they have on others is having a good outcome. Maybe the best plan would have been for social media to shut down for a few months (lol). The virus is still running wild, and people are angrier than ever. I don't think that's a result of opening too early, I think reopening early happened to quell the negative response people were having to restrictions in some places.

But again, I digress. I'm not a doctor, or economist so my opinion really doesn't matter. Just trying to listen to them myself and hope for the best.

 

[TLSnell1981]

There’s lots of anger for some who can not control the actions and behaviors of others. It’s a bit scary. IMO