GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[3threebabies]

Disney has their eyes wide open.

Both Comcast and TWDC are well informed; more than likely better informed than many countries and US states. They have also had untold numbers of risk analysts, accountants, market forecasters, lawyers and who knows what else running multiple risk scenarios. Their cost benefit analysis determined opening with restrictions was the most prudent path forward. We can judge that decision however we wish, but they know full well the gravity of the situation.

 

[sam_gordon]

Lol. Seriously, just stop. You’re trying to justify going to WDW during a pandemic that is seeing cases rising alarmingly in its state to a normal vacation. You’re reaching and everyone knows it. There might be other reasons you could come up with to justify it, but this is just not going to be a win for you.

I'm not justifying anything. Did I say I or anyone else should go to Florida, much less Disney? Nope. You're reading something that isn't there.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Disney has their eyes wide open.

What Disney has in their favor is the fact that our contact tracing is so bad that it'll be next to impossible to trace COVID cases back to them.

 

[Karin1984]

What Disney has in their favor is the fact that our contact tracing is so bad that it'll be next to impossible to trace COVID cases back to them.

I'm not too sure about that. When someone goes to the test and there is contact tracing done and the person admits: "I went out for dinner on Monday for 2 hours, and then we left to Disney and we spend 5 days in crowded places." I think a tracer will be more eager to believe that it was because of a crowded place, then the one person at the table next to them at dinner. Because you get into contact more for the 5 days, but in the end... it only takes one person.

If one tracer gets 3 people who went to Disney right after each other, he will claim to have found a pattern. Especially if this happens outside of Florida in a state with stricter measures..

 

[gotomu212]

The positivity rate coming down is definitely great news but with 11,000 plus new cases it is still a long way off from being anything close to manageable in Florida. I’ve also seen lots of reports of long waits for test results which makes things difficult - unless everyone is quarantining while waiting for results you can still have a lot of sick people mingling out in the world until they get confirmation that they are ill.

I know I am like a broken record with this but what worries me most is these high numbers in a state that has done almost nothing to roll back opening. With restaurants and stores and cafes open you have a lot of paycheck to paycheck workers under a lot of pressure to be at work in public facing roles unless they know with 100% certainty that they are ill and so you know that a lot of them are likely pushing the envelope and going to work when they should not be. And I can’t blame them for that - they need to make money and they don’t want to lose their jobs - but it makes for an incredibly dangerous situation when the virus is already spreading so wildly.

I agree with you, and I think what bothers me most is that if the entire state wanted to take the “herd immunity/let it run through us and be done/sweden approach” (although Sweden did not actually do that as described and also admits it was a mistake) but fine, if that’s their state approach go for it. BUT they are a tourist destination and are pulling people from other states, the NBA, the republican convention, etc into the middle of an unchecked outbreak and then carrying those Florida infections to every town in the US. Not only are they not protecting their own residents, but they’ve become an “attractive nuisance” for others and are the Typhoid Mary of this now.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

The positivity rate in Florida is going up still.

 

[CarolAnn856]

I agree with you, and I think what bothers me most is that if the entire state wanted to take the “herd immunity/let it run through us and be done/sweden approach” (although Sweden did not actually do that as described and also admits it was a mistake)

I honestly think you’re giving many of them too much credit. A lot of them weren’t going for heard immunity, since they didn’t think it was a real problem to start with. Lots of “oh it’s just like the flu and not a big deal” people down there.

 

[gwynne]

I'm not too sure about that. When someone goes to the test and there is contact tracing done and the person admits: "I went out for dinner on Monday for 2 hours, and then we left to Disney and we spend 5 days in crowded places." I think a tracer will be more eager to believe that it was because of a crowded place, then the one person at the table next to them at dinner. Because you get into contact more for the 5 days, but in the end... it only takes one person.

If one tracer gets 3 people who went to Disney right after each other, he will claim to have found a pattern. Especially if this happens outside of Florida in a state with stricter measures..

Tracing overall is poor. And that is pretty much everywhere. You have to have testing easily available with rapid results to even begin to make tracing work.

 

[cakebaker]

So my city just announced a mandatory mask ordinance. The bad part is, our hospitals are at near capacity for ICU today. The biggest one in the state is here and they are down to 3 available beds. Every hospital in the state is near capacity, most of them have no availability at all. With all that, we’re wide open and no state ordinances, Too little, too late.

 

[TLSnell1981]

The 33% claim is bogus. Sleazy Miami politician.

Maybe in Miami. Aren't the numbers significantly higher in Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties?

 

[TLSnell1981]

So my city just announced a mandatory mask ordinance. The bad part is, our hospitals are at near capacity for ICU today. The biggest one in the state is here and they are down to 3 available beds. Every hospital in the state is near capacity, most of them have no availability at all. With all that, we’re wide open and no state ordinances, Too little, too late.

If hospitals are nearing capacity they will likely stop elective procedures again. ☹ Staffing more beds would help too.

 

[JimMIA]

Maybe in Miami. Aren't the numbers significantly higher in Miami-Dade, Broward and Palm Beach counties?

The numbers Moron Gimenez was quoting were supposedly for Miami-Dade County. Broward and Palm Beach counties' numbers are lower than Miami-Dade's...but still bad.

 

[godisney14]

Let’s set the record straight.

Contact tracers are not Epidemiologists, and vice verse.

The job of a contact tracer is to ask for contact information of exposed individuals that have come into contact with an infected person. Then, they will try to contact those exposed individuals to inform them to monitor for symptoms. They give information on testing availability and refer individuals to support services. That’s it. Stops right there.

Epidemiologists are the ones that determine where an outbreak might have occurred or is occurring, and what the cause may be.

 

[JimMIA]

Okay. This is getting silly.
Let’s set the record straight.

Contact tracers are not Epidemiologists, and vice verse.

The job of a contact tracer is to ask for contact information of exposed individuals that have come into contact with an infected person. Then, they will try to contact those exposed individuals to inform them to monitor for symptoms. They give information on testing availability and refer individuals to support services. That’s it. Stops right there.

Epidemiologists are the ones that determine where an outbreak might have occurred or is occurring, and what the cause may be.

Except at WDW, where those determinations are made only by bus drivers.

 

[godisney14]

If hospitals are nearing capacity they will likely stop elective procedures again. ☹

Another area that is not being handled at the top, unfortunately. Right now, individual hospitals and health systems in the hard hit areas of problem states have been deciding for themselves whether to stop elective procedures.

 

[godisney14]

Except at WDW, where those determinations are made only by bus drivers.

Can you explain what you mean by that? I’m not up to speed with what that is about.

 

[SaintsManiac]

I honestly think you’re giving many of them too much credit. A lot of them weren’t going for heard immunity, since they didn’t think it was a real problem to start with. Lots of “oh it’s just like the flu and not a big deal” people down there.

Exactly. In my community people think it's a hoax.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Can you explain what you mean by that? I’m not up to speed with what that is about.

The bus drivers ALWAYS have the most up to date and accurate information at WDW.

Not sure how Disneyland manages without them

 

[JimMIA]

Another area that is not being handled at the top, unfortunately. Right now, individual hospitals and health systems in the hard hit areas of problem states have been deciding for themselves whether to stop elective procedures.

Um...maybe that's because they OWN their hospitals? And maybe it's also because they have so much more information about the real situation in their hospital, the options available, etc, etc, etc.

Do you really think ANY mayor or governor should be making those kinds of decisions?

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

11 states are now over 1,000 new cases on the day. California and Texas are not yet on that list. So it's looking like we'll have 13 at least. Georgia up over 4,000 today. Arizona as well. Tennessee just missing the 2,000 mark. Pretty much all across the south now. Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, North Carolina, All over 1,000 today. South Carolina and Arkansas still to come in. Out in the southwest, Texas and California will likely be over 1,000 and Arizona already is. Things are not looking good in the Sun Belt.

Update. 5 pm eastern. South Carolina has come in. They are well over 1,000. California and Texas are partially in. They will be way over 1,000. The U.S. is at about 55k and may be over 60k by the time all is said and done. 15 states are over 1,000 on the day. A record. This thing is going bad in a hurry.

Can you explain what you mean by that? I’m not up to speed with what that is about.

I can. He tried to modify my totally awesome 50+ likes generating if it doesn't come from a Disney bus driver, it isn't true joke for the more wild rumor threads and shoe horn it into another situation. Only as you can see, he doesn't have the impeccable timing with it that I do. But give him a chance, this was his first try.