GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[cakebaker]

Elective means not necessary. No one is advocating to defer necessary procedures.
The predictions that led to stopping electives were based on what could happen when places do not get shut down. It obviously worked, which seems to be a bad thing??

Why are we back to this argument?

Because apparently you don’t understand what elective means. If imminent death or permanent disability isn’t a significant risk, it’s elective.

 

[wombat_5606]

Florida’s COVID-19 Data: What We Know, What’s Wrong, and What’s Missing


https://covidtracking.com/blog/florida-covid-19-data

 

[JimMIA]

Florida’s COVID-19 Data: What We Know, What’s Wrong, and What’s Missing


https://covidtracking.com/blog/florida-covid-19-data

I love blogs. All knowledge is contained in blogs. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......

 

[DisneyOma]

Doctor, lawyer, scientist, researcher, pharmacologist, statistician, epidemiologist, education expert. Did I miss anything? Some seem to be experts on everything based on constant dismissive responses toward other posters. It gets old.

Well, I'm an educator (24+ years, science, math, special ed) my oldest daughter will be a doctor in a few months, is a researcher and a statistician. My younger daughter is a scientist (and educator) but I'm missing the lawyer and pharmacologist (although the biochem degree from DD#2 might cover that) I believe scientific journals, research papers, and properly cited works. I ask for documentation alongside claims of this or that. If that makes me dismissive, so be it. I dismiss baseless, uncited claims.

 

[wombat_5606]

I love blogs. All knowledge is contained in blogs. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......

Up to you, but the https://covidtracking.com/and the researchers working with them have far superior information than any you will get out of the governor of Florida or some of the other people on this thread.

Johns Hopkins
Johns Hopkins relies on our testing data for its COVID-19 Testing Insights Initiative, which brings data and expert analysis together in one place. The initiative is designed to help policymakers and the public understand the trajectory of the pandemic, and make decisions about the path forward. Please note this visualization is not a dynamic representation of case data and will not update automatically.

The White House
The White House chose the COVID Tracking Project as the best source to cite for daily US test numbers in its “Opening Up America Again” testing strategy.

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

You go with that Johns Hopkins blog if you want Wombat. But I'm going with all knowing dissers.

 

[CarolAnn856]

I love blogs. All knowledge is contained in blogs. zzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......

Try again. This isn’t some random blogger, but produced by The Atlantic Monthly. You are always so quick to downplay anything negative about Florida. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

 

[tarheelmjfan]

Here's what I'm talking about, from the public records of the criminal courts in Leon County, FL (Tallahassee). She also had felony arrests at LSU for assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest with violence.

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You really need to stop this nonsense. You first brought it up in a thread where the source was proven to be right, but you never acknowledged it. By now, we all know the vast majority of your posts are politically motivated. You only trust sources that support your political agenda. That's fine. You have a right to your opinion, but continuing to post stuff like this about people that you don't agree with is going too far.

 

[bavaria]

Because apparently you don’t understand what elective means. If imminent death or permanent disability isn’t a significant risk, it’s elective.

And it's happening all over the world - people with cancer are not getting surgery. Estimates are that it will take two years or more in developed countries to catch up, and meanwhile new patients will be diagnosed (often far later due to delays in testing).

Mastectomy delayed due to COVID, cancer progressed to lymph nodes ie Stage 4. There are numerous links I could pull from another thread re Canada delaying surgery.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...octors-and-patients-weigh-the-risks-1.4984111Died after cancer surgery delayed
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-surgery-delay-unintended-consequences-1.5629360UK cancer surgery delays
https://www.theguardian.com/society...e-early-due-to-coronavirus-delays-study-findsGermany 900,000 surgeries delayed including cancer surgeries
https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayer...-im-klinikum-fuerth-werden-nachgeholt,S43C0WB
This is happening almost everywhere, and it is really frustrating to be told by people not impacted that our surgeries are not essential. People will die sooner because of this. And then we hear that 'elective' is things like a cosmetic nose job. Oncoplasty is a surgical specialty for cancer - they are the surgeons who try and restore the remains after the other surgeon does an amputation. Yet people see 'plasty' and think that we can delay 'a boob job'.

It is really disheartening to keep hearing this. Last week I had an argument with two young Germans who insisted this could not happen in Germany, and finally had to excuse myself to go join my support group for cancer patients who have been impacted by treatment delays during the time of COVID.

 

[TLSnell1981]

And it's happening all over the world - people with cancer are not getting surgery. Estimates are that it will take two years or more in developed countries to catch up, and meanwhile new patients will be diagnosed (often far later due to delays in testing).

Mastectomy delayed due to COVID, cancer progressed to lymph nodes ie Stage 4. There are numerous links I could pull from another thread re Canada delaying surgery.
https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coron...octors-and-patients-weigh-the-risks-1.4984111Died after cancer surgery delayed
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/covid-surgery-delay-unintended-consequences-1.5629360UK cancer surgery delays
https://www.theguardian.com/society...e-early-due-to-coronavirus-delays-study-findsGermany 900,000 surgeries delayed including cancer surgeries
https://www.br.de/nachrichten/bayer...-im-klinikum-fuerth-werden-nachgeholt,S43C0WB
This is happening almost everywhere, and it is really frustrating to be told by people not impacted that our surgeries are not essential. People will die sooner because of this. And then we hear that 'elective' is things like a cosmetic nose job. Oncoplasty is a surgical specialty for cancer - they are the surgeons who try and restore the remains after the other surgeon does an amputation. Yet people see 'plasty' and think that we can delay 'a boob job'.

It is really disheartening to keep hearing this. Last week I had an argument with two young Germans who insisted this could not happen in Germany, and finally had to excuse myself to go join my support group for cancer patients who have been impacted by treatment delays during the time of COVID.

Yes VERY disheartening. Two family members have died over the last weeks due to not having diagnostic procedures and/or surgery. Our hospitals were empty waiting for hoards of COVID patients that never materialized.

 

[dvcgirl67]

COVID-19 is now the leading cause of hospitalizations in Florida. At the peak of this in the spring, the U.S. hit 60,000 hospitalizations with COVID. We locked down for months and got that number down to 30,000. Now we're back up to 51,000 and climbing.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1281786741029052418

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Florida #COVID19 pediatric cases (ages 0-17 yrs)


Most cases are school age, 5-17 yrs

Hospitalizations - 213, skewed toward preschool ages, 0-4 yrs

 

[Searc]

I'm curious. Maybe I'll go over there and ask them what color the sky is in their world.

Don't bother. It will be deleted.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Florida records 10,383 new cases overnight. 95 deaths overnight

 

[dvcgirl67]

Florida records 10,383 new cases overnight. 95 deaths overnight

I just saw another source that said deaths were 188, a new record for Florida over the 120 they reported on Thursday.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/corona...0200711-esbvx6nirvfnxi56p6zetswxja-story.html

 

[Cannot_Wait_4Disney]

I just saw another source that said deaths were 188, a new record for Florida over the 120 they reported on Thursday.

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/corona...0200711-esbvx6nirvfnxi56p6zetswxja-story.html

They have since attributed the 188 to a tabulation error. It is 95 resident deaths. Must have been some hanging chads on their keypunch cards. There were also 3 non resident deaths from what I gather as total non resident deaths went from 101 to 104 on their dashboard. But don't take that as gospel. It is Florida after all.

 

[wombat_5606]

They have since attributed the 188 to a tabulation error. It is 95 resident deaths. Must have been some hanging chads on their keypunch cards. There were also 3 non resident deaths from what I gather as total non resident deaths went from 101 to 104 on their dashboard. But don't take that as gospel. It is Florida after all.

What's even more distressing is that the number of deaths isn't reported for 2-4 weeks. Those numbers you are seeing this week were back when Florida had around 3000 positive new cases a day.

 

[sam_gordon]

What's even more distressing is that the number of deaths isn't reported for 2-4 weeks. Those numbers you are seeing this week were back when Florida had around 3000 positive new cases a day.

Huh? That makes no sense. Deaths reported today would be from people who caught covid 2-4 weeks ago, not died 2-4 weeks ago (or so I thought).

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Huh? That makes no sense. Deaths reported today would be from people who caught covid 2-4 weeks ago, not died 2-4 weeks ago (or so I thought).

That's right, generally. Deaths can lag even more than that.

 

[Searc]

What's even more distressing is that the number of deaths isn't reported for 2-4 weeks. Those numbers you are seeing this week were back when Florida had around 3000 positive new cases a day.

Yep.