GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[robinb]

If that were the case, they wouldn't be doing indoor dining, which we know is a primary method of transmission.

I didn't say that they cared.

I said they know what they're doing and are not being mislead by the governor or blindly following the state reopening.

 

[anthony2k7]

If that were the case, they wouldn't be doing indoor dining, which we know is a primary method of transmission.

They don't really have capacity to feed people outdoors though. So without indoor dining they probably just couldn't open at all.

 

[godisney14]

Um...maybe that's because they OWN their hospitals? And maybe it's also because they have so much more information about the real situation in their hospital, the options available, etc, etc, etc.

Do you really think ANY mayor or governor should be making those kinds of decisions?

Well, if you say it that way... Should any mayor or governor be making any public policy decisions that affect non-profit or for-profit entities?

 

[anthony2k7]

If hospitals are nearing capacity they will likely stop elective procedures again. ☹ Staffing more beds would help too.

Many already have stopped elective apparently.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Many already have stopped elective apparently.

What a mess. The anticipated COVID numbers didn't materialize across the country as predicted in the spring. Electives were postponed and staff furloughed. Now they need the beds and staff. Sadly necessary procedures will be put off again.

 

[3threebabies]

11 states are now over 1,000 new cases on the day. California and Texas are not yet on that list. So it's looking like we'll have 13 at least. Georgia up over 4,000 today. Arizona as well. Tennessee just missing the 2,000 mark. Pretty much all across the south now. Georgia, Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, North Carolina, All over 1,000 today. South Carolina and Arkansas still to come in. Out in the southwest, Texas and California will likely be over 1,000 and Arizona already is. Things are not looking good in the Sun Belt.

Pennsylvania had 1009 today. Illinois over 1000 for second day in a row with 1317 today (ETA).

 

[godisney14]

Elective means not necessary. No one is advocating to defer necessary procedures.
The predictions that led to stopping electives were based on what could happen when places do not get shut down. It obviously worked, which seems to be a bad thing??

Why are we back to this argument?

 

[TLSnell1981]

Elective means not necessary. No one is advocating to defer necessary procedures.

Why are we back to this argument?

An elective procedure is one that is planned in advance. It doesn’t mean it isn’t necessary...just not an emergency.

 

[anthony2k7]

Pennsylvania had 1009 today. Illinois over 1000 for second day in a row with 1317 today (ETA).

Unless more states impose quarantines they will all reach Florida kinda numbers at some point

 

[wvjules]

What a mess. The anticipated COVID numbers didn't materialize across the country as predicted in the spring. Electives were postponed and staff furloughed. Now they need the beds and staff. Sadly necessary procedures will be put off again.

Gee, you know why? Because we put precautions in place to help avoid that. And it WORKED!

 

[wvjules]

An elective procedure is one that is planned in advance. It doesn’t mean it isn’t necessary...just not an emergency.

On April 22 my boyfriend wrecked his bike. He went to ER. Followed up with orthopedic surgeon a few days later and had surgery on May 1. It was necessary, but it wasn't an emergency nor elective.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

An elective procedure is one that is planned in advance. It doesn’t mean it isn’t necessary...just not an emergency.

Correct. Hospitals use elective to mean a broad amount of procedures and surgeries. That in itself is not correlated at all with whether that procedure or surgery needs to be done. It is based on needs to be done now as in it's emergent as in right this very second. Some use the definition that any procedure or surgery scheduled in advance. That's quite easy to research to find that out as well as read stories of various procedures people had put on hold.

They are just being pushed off into time not that in general they aren't actually needed procedures. I'm not sure how that point got so confusing to be honest. We know that the method for stopping elective surgeries frees up hospital usage so it's the unfortunate realities of having to shift priorities. I expect this will happen up and down over time.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

On April 22 my boyfriend wrecked his bike. He went to ER. Followed up with orthopedic surgeon a few days later and had surgery on May 1. It was necessary, but not necessarily an emergency nor necessarily elective.

That was an elective surgery but the very definition that can be used. It was scheduled in advance. That procedure during a time when elective procedures are put on hold may have been put on hold as well (depends on the hospital system and mandates). I could see the case for if corrective orthopedic surgery wasn't done in a specified time period it would cause irreparable damage to your boyfriend's leg it may have gone up in the priority ladder. Otherwise they may have just told him "sorry we can't do surgeries like that right now". The place where my mom had her total knee replacements last year was a place that was not doing surgeries at all like when elective procedures were not allowed.

 

[dvcgirl67]

I'm not too sure about that. When someone goes to the test and there is contact tracing done and the person admits: "I went out for dinner on Monday for 2 hours, and then we left to Disney and we spend 5 days in crowded places." I think a tracer will be more eager to believe that it was because of a crowded place, then the one person at the table next to them at dinner. Because you get into contact more for the 5 days, but in the end... it only takes one person.

If one tracer gets 3 people who went to Disney right after each other, he will claim to have found a pattern. Especially if this happens outside of Florida in a state with stricter measures..

I hope you're right. I would imagine that they're quite concerned as they prepare to fully open those parks.

 

[soccerdad72]

Pennsylvania had 1009 today. Illinois over 1000 for second day in a row with 1317 today (ETA).

1525 new cases in Ohio today (a new 'record').

 

[dvcgirl67]

I didn't say that they cared.

I said they know what they're doing and are not being mislead by the governor or blindly following the state reopening.

Ahhh...ok, that makes more sense. And I agree. They should be leading the way here. The NBA shutting their season down was a "whoa" moment for all of us in this country, and that seemed to make other states/governors take this more seriously.

 

[billlaurie]

Elective means not necessary. No one is advocating to defer necessary procedures.
The predictions that led to stopping electives were based on what could happen when places do not get shut down. It obviously worked, which seems to be a bad thing??

Why are we back to this argument?

Simply wrong.

 

[godisney14]

Got it, doctor.

 

[Snyders22000]

Elective surgeries aren’t always things like knee replacements that can easily be put off without consequence. My husband is an ICU Dr./cardiac anesthesiologist and during the shut down when they had to stop elective surgeries it also meant no non-emergency cardiac surgeries. These were surgeries that were not severe enough to be a dire emergency (for example someone actively having a heart attack that needed bypass or a ruptured aneurysm would be emergencies that would have been allowed). But cardiac cases that were urgent electives had to be postponed until electives were allowed again - these were cases that the person could potentially die while waiting for surgery. So yes- when it gets dire enough that hospitals have to cancel elective cases it is bad for everyone. This is so frustrating to me that people think that electives are not urgent or important and that we should allow hospitals to fill up until we get to that point. At my husbands hospital they have already had to open up a second overflow Covid ICU because one unit is already completely full of Covid patients. Yes they technically still have some ICU beds available because they added some beds but they don’t have enough staff to sustain this surge. It is so frustrating to me seeing people downplay the hospital numbers. As someone whose husband is on the front lines- please take this virus seriously. We have cancelled all vacation plans (we were supposed to go to FL in a rented beach house in 2 weeks) and are pretty much only going out for essentials (grocery, gas). Stay safe!

Elective means not necessary. No one is advocating to defer necessary procedures.
The predictions that led to stopping electives were based on what could happen when places do not get shut down. It obviously worked, which seems to be a bad thing??

Why are we back to this argument?

 

[billlaurie]

Doctor, lawyer, scientist, researcher, pharmacologist, statistician, epidemiologist, education expert. Did I miss anything? Some seem to be experts on everything based on constant dismissive responses toward other posters. It gets old.