GRAND OPENING - GRAND CLOSING (Florida)

[TLSnell1981]

No state or country has a lock on "doing it right" or "doing it wrong".

Lots of improvement to be made everywhere.

The world was not prepared for a pandemic. And is still not prepared, in some respects.

I agree. We live in the age of "instant gratification". Nothing similar has happened in 100 years. Expectations are high...not realistic. IMO

 

[RamblingMad]

Another ten thousand cases in FL.

 

[Heigh-Ho]

It sounds like lots of people here are being defensive about their states. I wont. I'll gladly throw Texas under the bus because I think that Texas has done a horrible job.

I've heard that the nursing home story has been reported incorrectly.

I think my state has done some good things and some bad things. I think our governor made some good decisions and bad ones. I think my county's health person has made some good decisions and some bad ones. I think the leaders in my direct area have made some good decisions and some bad ones.

But what I've observed by casually reading here is many New York residents and to an extent those in the tri-state area generally do not discuss this. It's pretty much "we did an awesome job getting this under control, you all suck now, how come you couldn't get it under control you had so much time," and from my observation they seem to be the only ones in the nation to be that way and usually the conversation circles back to the same "New York got it under control how come so and so state can't".

Some people you can tell don't truly mean to come off that way it's just how it's worded and I can absolutely tell they are just so relieved to have some good news in their area after such a devastating several months so I don't fault them for that I would probably feel like I couldn't bottle that up. However, others though you can see patterns throughout. You (general you) could say "I think we've done a pretty good job but there's still this" or "I think my state has done horribly but I did like this" or "nothing my state did was the right decision" and at least it's an honest discussion.

I think some states deserve more scrutiny no doubt though but no state was perfect and no state made decisions that all can be looked back on as the "right decision" and no state is filled with perfect (or near perfect even) citizens, local leaders and governors. Strengths and weaknesses are okay to be discussed. It doesn't all have to be discussing one over the other. Both should be important to be discussed together.

 

[Jrb1979]

I agree. We live in the age of "instant gratification". Nothing similar has happened in 100 years. Expectations are high...not realistic. IMO

I disagree that expectations are not realistic. No one expects 0 cases. My concern is how so few states are following the guidelines that were put out for reopening. What happened to the 2 straight weeks of declining numbers between phases? So how people tend to forget that. It feels like Florida threw out any plan just cause they needed the parks open.

 

[TLSnell1981]

I think my state has done some good things and some bad things. I think our governor made some good decisions and bad ones. I think my county's health person has made some good decisions and some bad ones. I think the leaders in my direct area have made some good decisions and some bad ones.

But what I've observed by casually reading here is many New York residents and to an extent those in the tri-state area generally do not discuss this. It's pretty much "we did an awesome job getting this under control, you all suck now, how come you couldn't get it under control you had so much time," and from my observation they seem to be the only ones in the nation to be that way and usually the conversation circles back to the same "New York got it under control how come so and so state can't".

Some people you can tell don't truly mean to come off that way it's just how it's worded and I can absolutely tell they are just so relieved to have some good news in their area after such a devastating several months so I don't fault them for that I would probably feel like I couldn't bottle that up. However, others though you can see patterns throughout. You (general you) could say "I think we've done a pretty good job but there's still this" or "I think my state has done horribly but I did like this" or "nothing my state did was the right decision" and at least it's an honest discussion.

I think some states deserve more scrutiny no doubt though but no state was perfect and no state made decisions that all can be looked back on as the "right decision" and no state is filled with perfect (or near perfect even) citizens, local leaders and governors. Strengths and weaknesses are okay to be discussed. It doesn't all have to be discussing one over the other. Both should be important to be discussed together.

The daily briefIng was a horror show and self serving in my opinion. I know there were many heroic and selfless acts during those horrible weeks. Unfortunately that wasn't the focus. For me as an outsider it was mostly very negative coverage .

 

[anthony2k7]

NYC hospitals looked pretty bad to me. But their governor stayed the course and slowly reopened while other states rushed to reopen.

I look forward to reading papers on this crisis five years from now.

I'm looking forward to someone making a "dreamland castle pandemic" movie.

 

[shh]

Here’s reality with all my biases firmly in place: We as residents of this country
need to stop with the “my state/region is better than yours“nonsense, learn from past mistakes and go forward.
The End.

unfortunately, trump and his team didn't help the "my state/region is better than yours" mentality when he unceremoniously handed off all responsibility for navigating covid supply shortages, testing challenges and new federal unemployment relief programs to states whose antiquated and rigid procurement and IT systems were woefully and disastrously unprepared for it all - not to mention state leaders who had a fraction of the buying clout and power the US federal govt has.

This pandemic required a massive and coordinated federal response - not a piecemeal state by state effort. What a massive fail.

 

[montreid]

10k is better than 15k. They've finally slowed the surge and hopefully a few days of plateau ~10k and then dropping down. The trouble is that reports are taking 3-5 days to return and that messes everything up on the suspect reporting anyways.

But if holds true for a few days at 10k, at least the hemorrhaging is controlled. A lot of hard work still ahead for everyone.

 

[anthony2k7]

I thought about starting a new thread, but why? I found this article interesting...
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/c...Wx8GXqzmxEZ9Kbnt58bnXMdqzZR-RvLFL0xO6DOOH7WNE

Yep I believe FL at least are still combining all types of test results for one number?

 

[anthony2k7]

couple of points....


1. How much of the difference in NY vs FL are related to whether NY reached hospital capacity? FL isn't quite there yet. If most hospitals get to 100% full then I expect deaths to go up more quickly.

2. No one. Literally no one knows the long term effects of this virus. So with case numbers that high even if less die, FL may already end up similar or even more with long term illnesses from this than NY.

 

[montreid]

Different cohorts in April vs July surges. April the disease hit all groups and especially hard on the elderly as it got them before we could shut down. Death rates higher then because of this along with unknown therapeutics.

July -- older generation and atrisk population already isolated. Most infections younger and healthier -- coupled with improved therapeutics and better health, death rate WILL be lower. but sheer numbers will still tax the health system. And as pointed out; a lot more long term sequelae is anticipated. We still don't know a lot about this new illness and long term effects.

 

[dvcgirl67]

The problem with Florida is that they're still mostly open during their surge, and so they'll not only have a higher plateau instead of a truly flattened curve. They're also contributing to our national problem as they are actively attracting tourists, and then sending them home, possibly with the virus.

I have listened to several trip reports from Disney podcasters. All of them are reporting that inside the Disney bubble, things are being handled quite well. They all report very good mask use and enforcement by Disney. Lots of Plexiglas, physical distancing strategy, and lots of new infrastructure at Disney including new security check in processes at the parks. That's all great. But you have to get there. And unless you're a local, you're driving and making multiple stops, or you're flying.

The podcast I just listened to was a trip report by the WDW Prep to go podcasters. The woman had a good experience getting to Disney. Flew out of Love Field in Texas. She reported a pretty quiet airport (I believe she left on a Tuesday or Wednesday), a good job by Southwest, and then rented a car and headed to the world. However, at the very end she talked about her trip home, which did not go so well. She flew home on a Saturday. They got to the car rental drop-off, went to board a crowded shuttle and most people were not wearing masks. She asked the driver if masks were required, he said yes, and shrugged. They weren't comfortable taking the shuttle and ended up taking a Lyft over to the airport. They got to a much more crowded MCO and witnessed many people inside not wearing masks. There was a crowd that formed boarding the flight. And then she had the same experience at Love Field when they got back there. Many people in a crowded airport not wearing mask.

So as long as people are all flying around and traveling like this, we're going to have a sustained high level of cases, hospitalizations and deaths. It's terrible....and it didn't need to be this way. I'm glad Disney is doing such a good job, but they are indeed a beacon for tourists, and while they all *must* behave in that bubble, once out of it....many aren't.

 

[cakebaker]

It sounds like lots of people here are being defensive about their states. I wont. I'll gladly throw Texas under the bus because I think that Texas has done a horrible job.

I've heard that the nursing home story has been reported incorrectly.

I'll join you! I'll glad complain about my state doing absolutely nothing to curb this. I don't know why anyone would defend a job poorly done. Our numbers were worsening daily and then magically 3 days ago, the reporting site started having errors and we haven't gotten any numbers since. We have no clue how we're doing.

Florida has been abysmal in their handling of this virus along with a great many other states and it shows. I don't get the state loyalty thing.

 

[SaintsManiac]

It sounds like lots of people here are being defensive about their states. I wont. I'll gladly throw Texas under the bus because I think that Texas has done a horrible job.

I've heard that the nursing home story has been reported incorrectly.

I was hopeful for a while here in Louisiana, but we are back where we started, if not worse since we went to phase 2. Our medical experts have to come to the press conferences to debunk conspiracy theories.

 

[bavaria]

No state or country has a lock on "doing it right" or "doing it wrong".

Lots of improvement to be made everywhere.

The world was not prepared for a pandemic. And is still not prepared, in some respects.

I think actually that for some posters/people, it's similar to when a child dies and the ensuing discussions of how the parent was at fault. It's a defensive mechanism to convince themselves that 'that could never happen to ME/HERE because....' It's understandable that people are scared, and many are trying to convince themselves that things won't get worse.

But there is no guarantee that things won't get worse for any area. I'm very optimistic actually that we will have a vaccine soon, and that the new restrictions in various areas of the US implemented last week will work, and that this will get under control. But I can see how some people are clinging to that mindset to make themselves feel better.

 

[godisney14]

But there is no guarantee that things won't get worse for any area. I'm very optimistic actually that we will have a vaccine soon, and that the new restrictions in various areas of the US implemented last week will work, and that this will get under control.

Places that have restrictions hopefully will get better. Nothing more needs to be said on that.

The problem and ensuing discussions arise from places that have increasing cases, but yet won’t implement restrictions. Half of the US still do not have a mask requirement, and one governor is actually suing his fellow public leaders for enforcing mask wearing.

Just imagining all the effort and resources being exhausted to float the economy and expedite research when simple masking and distancing is just as effective, or even more so.

 

[Lumpy1106]

There is no debate that FL has become the poster-boy state for bad COVID behavior, especially Miami, but they are far from alone. It's the simple, innocuous things that seem like they are no big deal that is making COVID drag on. I read on a Disney related Facebook page that a poster was disappointed that her sister had decided to send their kids to school because she cared for Grandma and she wouldn't be able to visit with her Niece and Nephew anymore. Wait...why is she still doing that now? You cannot visit anyone in their home PERIOD, because people do not wear masks in their own home - you just can't. Sure, not as risky as the house and boat parties we are seeing in Miami, but that is far riskier than a trip to the grocery store or even WDW. At least there precautions are being taken seriously. You need to assume that anybody you run across is not, then take the proper precautions. If knowing the kids are going to school changes what you are doing, you shouldn't be doing that now.

 

[Christine]

I'm not from the tri-state northeast area that was hit hard...just from the DC/MD/VA area. We probably went on a stay-at-home order that was close to New York because we were also hit hard at first. I think the attitude from those of us that went through such a dreadful shutdown and saw how quickly it reigned things in is that Florida and other states like it aren't doing enough. They had a chance to learn from the horror of New York City (even if they weren't in that mess themselves at the time) and at the first surge, in order to keep taxing the healthcare workers there, we feel they should have put their arms around it and contained it real fast. It would have worked too. But to see the cavalier attitudes towards the strain you are putting on local healthcare workers as well as the risk to the citizens, well, it's kind of mind blowing and, frankly, it makes me a bit angry, even though I don't even live there.

 

[dvcgirl67]

Interesting to see today that the Coronavirus Task Force daily gatherings are kicking off again tomorrow. And it seems that the administration is really super big on masks now too....going as far to call it "patriotic" to wear a mask. Ok, new tact, but it's worth a shot. Good luck trying to put that genie back in the bottle.

I'm thinking some folks in there got a glimpse at what some of the biggest CEOs in the country are saying....and it's not great. With the new outbreak in the south and west, and seemingly no end until a vaccine, Americans are taking things into their own hands to a great degree. We're staying home. And it seems that CEOs and now the administration may be noticing this.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/20/...tion=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

 

[penn19]

I don't get it. Florida is excoriated while New York is praised.

I wonder why? Such a mystery!