Glitch in the new system - 190 Day ADRs?

[maiapapaya]

The wording of "more than 180 days before their stay" suggests that I very well may be wrong in my initial assumption (though, since the page accepts both false dates and false confirmations, it's still broken ). The plot thickens .

Is it possible that 190 days is coming and the WDW just hasn't made any official announcement because the system is still in beta testing, ie. they don't want a flood of ppl overtaxing the online system while they work out the kinks? Just a thought. I agree that it would just be nice to know what is going on either way.

 

[dawnmommy]

Cafeen might be onto something, with that wording. Whatever the policy ends up being (I prefer the 190 for reasons I've already stated), it does stink that some people on here are reading about the 190, but can't get it to work for them. whether it is browser issues, etc.

I know I'd be frustrated if I was reading about it and unable to get it to work. it works fine on my crappy old PC, my work PC, and my new Mac.

 

[Tricia1972]

The resort confirmation check-in only allows up to 180 days. If you put in that as your check-in date, it will open up the extra days. (No, it shouldn't have any effect on your actual resort reservation).

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On another note, are those making either 180 or 190 day reservations getting the wording about the dining plan? Something along the lines of "You may pay for this meal with your Disney Dining Plan" when you book? Just digging a little deeper into how the interaction between resort and dining.

EDIT:

The calendar "pop-up" is not your traditional old-style pop-up window that the blockers catch. It's a piece of Javascript (a subset of Java, which focuses on scripting to produce executable ("runnable") pieces of a web application) that displays a piece of a page within the current page. Different from the traditional popups that display a different page in a while new (albeit controlled) window. There's quite a bit more technical stuff behind it, but I'll spare you some .

And... hmm. In looking into the page (figures, I saw this in source view before normal view...)


The wording of "more than 180 days before their stay" suggests that I very well may be wrong in my initial assumption (though, since the page accepts both false dates and false confirmations, it's still broken ). The plot thickens .

That's what I noticed a few days ago (and pointed out on the first page). I, of course, got immediately shot down when I shared my theories on that.

I haven't heard anything official, so I went to the site and played a little. The phrase below makes me wonder if the change is intentional and permanent:



Bolding is mine.

This isn't founded on any real facts, just the one phrase, but maybe they're going to a flat 190 days and taking away the 180 plus 10?

But if you pick a date that is more than 180 days out the system alerts you to confirm your reservation, and the drop down calendar only offers dates 180 days from today (for the check in date).

 

[maiapapaya]

That's what I noticed a few days ago (and pointed out on the first page). I, of course, got immediately shot down when I shared my theories on that.

I wasn't shooting you down (sorry if you took it that way!) I love the idea of 190 days. I was hoping it was 190 days (I was so conflicted about waiting until today to do my ADR's at 180) I was just pointing out that if they are going to 190 the current set up on the site doesn't make sense (ie. the drop down calendar not allowing you select an arrival date farther out than 180 days) Most of us have figured out that you have to either do it manually or "cheat" on your actual arrival date. If they are going to 190 days for resort guests why wouldn't it allow you to select an arrival date 190 days out on the drop down calendar? I agree the wording sounds like they are going to 190 days, but the wording on the site doesn't mesh with the set up. Doesn't make sense (of course this could just be more WDW IT finesse! )

 

[Tricia1972]

I wasn't shooting you down (sorry if you took it that way!) I love the idea of 190 days. I was hoping it was 190 days (I was so conflicted about waiting until today to do my ADR's at 180) I was just pointing out that if they are going to 190 the current set up on the site doesn't make sense (ie. the drop down calendar not allowing you select an arrival date farther out than 180 days) Most of us have figured out that you have to either do it manually or "cheat" on your actual arrival date. If they are going to 190 days for resort guests why wouldn't it allow you to select an arrival date 190 days out on the drop down calendar? I agree the wording sounds like they are going to 190 days, but the wording on the site doesn't mesh with the set up. Doesn't make sense (of course this could just be more WDW IT finesse! )

No harm and I wasn't offended. It's just that this is the story of my life. (which I find amusing ) Tricia says something and it gets ignored or a thoughtful reply as to why Tricia is wrong. Someone else says the same thing and everyone else says "Cool" "Great Idea"

I couldn't resist pointing out the irony (and Cafeen seems like the kind of poster who would appreciate it too )

(I need to back off of the smilies today, I seem to be addicted )

 

[maiapapaya]

No harm and I wasn't offended. It's just that this is the story of my life. (which I find amusing ) Tricia says something and it gets ignored or a thoughtful reply as to why Tricia is wrong. Someone else says the same thing and everyone else says "Cool" "Great Idea"

I couldn't resist pointing out the irony (and Cafeen seems like the kind of poster who would appreciate it too )

(I need to back off of the smilies today, I seem to be addicted )

That's always the way ... it's like my husband always says, the steps to scientific discovery 1. deny it exists 2. deny that it's important 3. credit the wrong person. Classic case! I guess the rest of us needed more evidence before we could pat Cafeen on the back for suggesting the wording pointed to 190 days!
I will acknowledge, that yes, you Tricia were the first one I saw who pointed this out.

 

[Tricia1972]

Aw shucks

That's all I really need, just a little love.

Now we need to credit Cafeen for making the timely discovery

 

[Cafeen]

Crap, called out for skimming! (To be fair, I don't think I really read much of one of the threads that was merged into this one... yeah, that's the ticket!)

Yes, I appreciate the irony (from both sides of the matter). I will say that if I read the post, and noticed it at the same time, I would have agreed with you then, at least there's that.

I'm sure we'll soon find out which way it was "meant" to be. Until then, speculation and nerdy detective work are fun .

 

[jerlove]

I had the same experience this morning doing my fantasmic too. How did you rebook? what if the time slot is no longer availlable?

I just got lucky and my time slot was available give or take 10 minutes for each reservation. When I booked it I got a pop up message telling me that I already had a reservation at that day and time and would i like to cancel the old one. I just hit cancel and it canceled the one I booked prior to my 180 and kept the new one.

The only reservation I could not get re booked was my Ohanna reservation so I am keeping it and hope that they do not go back and cancel any of these reservations.

 

[jerlove]

People are booking 190 days out each day. So the person checking in on December 8th is going online to make their reservation(s) for that day. They'll go online tomorrow to book December 9th.

It's an online only glitchy perk.

The one think that we all have to be clear on is that in order for you to book 190 days out you need to hmm fabricate your actual arrival date to show that you are arriving on the 180 day booking window. If disney was truly trying a new 190 day program they would not make you "fabricate" what day you are arriving to take advantage of it.

 

[Cafeen]

The one think that we all have to be clear on is that in order for you to book 190 days out you need to hmm fabricate your actual arrival date to show that you are arriving on the 180 day booking window. If disney was truly trying a new 190 day program they would not make you "fabricate" what day you are arriving to take advantage of it.

Well, we see how good their programming is . The lockout on the resort reservation calendar could be the (or a) bug as well. I wouldn't put it past them to get that part wrong either*.

However, I still believe the issue lies in the lack of validation that I pointed out in my nerdy post, and that 180+10 will remain, but everyone on this thread already knows that .

*I could write a book (and a real book, not my forum post books) about the issues the site has had in the past year that I've been using it... Their development team is sorely lacking in the quality department (and QA isn't much better, but I have to give them some benefit of the doubt, as the bugs could very well have been found and just decided to deploy despite them, it does happen.. trust me ). The IT team isn't much better with a large amount of downtime (relatively, anything over 5-10% downtime is completely unacceptable in today's industry).

 

[Cafeen]

I'm just dropping a summary at this point. I'm sure Tricia already did and no one noticed (even me!), so here's me stealing her thunder again!

So, to summarize:
#1 - The ADR system has been upgraded to v2 as a beta test. This version offers several new features and things we simply couldn't do before:

a) ADRs linked to your login - This gives you the ability to automatically pull up each of your ADRs that you have made under your login. Note: for ADRs made previous to this update, some may not show up. It's normal

b) Improved (vastly!) ADR searching - Dropdowns for experience and location, a "by name" search, an improved time format (select a meal, or a time), and an option to check if the restaurant is on a dining plan all improve the ability to search for a restaurant.

c) Improved Results - Instead of just a couple of times and a couple of suggestions, the system will now display up to 3 available times and any other results matching your parameters. It will even show locations which do not have availability. This means that, you can actually search based on a meal (say, "Breakfast") and it will return all results which have availability for breakfast.
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#2 - ADRs are currently being accepted up to 190 days out. This is available to all guests no matter your check-in date. To access it, you simply make ADRs as you normally would and then enter in the last available date when you link the resort to the ADRs. Due to the nature of these ADRs, you must make ADRs each day of your stay if using the maximum 190days. We are unsure at this time if this (190 day ADRs) is intended behavior. Some items suggest it is and the check-in date calendar is bugged, other items suggest that the 180+10 should be the case

a) Phrasing of the message regarding why you should link reservations is vague, but appears to support the 190 day theory. (Discovered by Tricia and later, myself)

b) The simpler format of a flat 190 days vs 180+10 would also be a valid reason for moving to this type of system. Coupled with fairness issues that are present in 180+10, this would also be a valid reason for moving to this system.

c) Through testing (by myself), it appears as though the resort linking has no validation right now. You can enter anything into the boxes and any date. This suggests that 190 days is not intended as it's just passing any resort confirmation through.

d) Pre-pay ADRs (CRT, HDDR, SoA) are still at 180+10. They do use the v1 (old) system though, so unsure how this affects them.

e) Other recreation remains at 180+10 suggesting that, for consistency, the ADRs are intended to remain at 180+10

f) Either way, we simply do not know yet which way it was intended to be.
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[Inkmahm]

The system is still booking at 190 days so no changes yet. All my ADRs are done for our Dec 3-10 trip.

 

[Tinkermom76]

I hope they don't go through and cancel them all... I got Le Cellier for the first time in my life and would really like to keep it

 

[Mrs. Charming]

It's working for me, I got Le Cellier and Ohana at a decent time! I'm thinking this is for real-- I have seen "resort guests can book reservations more than 180 days in advance" several times now. Woohoo!

 

[wahooker]

I'm sorely tempted to get LeCellier, but with 3 4 year olds.... Umm, No. Let's stick with places they can safely be kids.

 

[Tinkermom76]

I'm sorely tempted to get LeCellier, but with 3 4 year olds.... Umm, No. Let's stick with places they can safely be kids.

wow you are brave

 

[Cafeen]

It's working for me, I got Le Cellier and Ohana at a decent time! I'm thinking this is for real-- I have seen "resort guests can book reservations more than 180 days in advance" several times now. Woohoo!

When booking 180+10, the +10 are still more than 180 days out. So, it can still fall under the same marketing wording.

 

[sndral]

Actually, if I am a resort guest, staying for 1 night, I cannot book more than 180 days out under 180 + 10, so this advertising is an express claim which is false in some cases and certainly is false as to all guests on their first day. Because the claim is express it is presumed material. Perhaps they should change their wording to 'most guests can reserve more than 180 days out for some days of their stay' so as not to run afoul of the FTC. Or at least change 'can' to 'may be able to.'

 

[Cafeen]

Actually, if I am a resort guest, staying for 1 night, I cannot book more than 180 days out under 180 + 10, so this advertising is an express claim which is false in some cases and certainly is false as to all guests on their first day. Because the claim is express it is presumed material. Perhaps they should change their wording to 'most guests can reserve more than 180 days out for some days of their stay' so as not to run afoul of the FTC. Or at least change 'can' to 'may be able to.'

Except that you can, even with a 1 night say, make ADRs at greater than 180 days out.

Under the literal 180+10 interpretation (180 days out for length of stay up to 10 days), if you check in 180 days from today, you can still make an ADR for 181 days from today (which would be your check-out date if staying 1 night). Whether or not you (or anyone) would actually take advantage of that day or not is beside the point, the fact remains that 181 is greater than 180 and still fitting even the strictest interpretation of the text.