Giving birth ?

Just remember, any pain that you experience during childbirth will be worth it!
That said.....you have several choices regarding pain relief. As another poster mentioned, be prepared BEFORE you deliver, know what your options are.
I think it's really important that you have a OBGYN that you trust and feel comfortable with.
Also, w/ both my deliveries the labor nurses were fabulous, I never thought I would feel completely at ease w/ my legs in different time zones but they are so professional and they see it every day.
 
CanBeGrumpy said:
In my opinion, giving birth is the easy part. It's raising them for the next 18+ years that is extremely difficult (I am not making a joke).

Well said!!!!! :goodvibes
 
Most doctors no longer do episiotomies, shaving, IVs, etc., routinely. Don't hesitate to tell your doctor exactly what YOU expect.

When I was pregnant with my first child, I felt a lot like you. I assumed it would be so painful that I would pretty much die. I HATE medical procedures and almost croaked when I saw a movie with an epidural while I was pregnant. I knew right then I was having a natural childbirth. You know what -- it does hurt, but our bodies were built to do this. I will say that it didn't hurt as much as I expected b/c it would be impossible for it to hurt that much! You know the entire time that it's temporary, too. When it's over, it's over. And you have a baby and know it's so worth it.
 
For me, the worst part of an episiotomy (didn't have one but tore all 3 times, so I had the stitches) is having a BM a day or two later. :sad2: Not a fun experience, but you get through it and nothing tears or breaks. ;)

You will do GREAT! You will surprise yourself at how strong you are and the amount of pain you can handle. The epidurals are a saving grace for many (incl myself for 2 of my deliveries) and like the others have said, once you have baby in your arms, a lot of the painful memories will dissolve away. I mean, my 2nd one was over 11 pounds, delivered the "natural" way----although it was incredibly painful and a long labor (quick delivery though), I went on to have my #3 two+ weeks ago! Babies are worth it.
 

I had a 13 hour labor with DD, I opted to have an epidural (which I am VERY grateful for!) and did have to have an episiotomy. The doc said I was starting to tear and bleed, and rather than have me tear he opted to do the episiotomy which you can recover from faster than a tear. At least with the episiotomy, it is controlled whereas the tear, you don't really know what could happen. I also read up on that procedure during my pregnancy, and was freaked out. :faint: But it's not so bad. I agree with another posted that going to the bathroom is kinda scary afterwards. But nothing happens, and you get through it ok.

I would have to say recovery is harder than giving birth, as well as that first month of sleepless nights and feeling like "OH my gosh! What did I get myself into?!" But then you have more moments where you just look at that little angel face and you think nothing of it. I can't wait to have another one (well, I am waiting til DD is a little bit older! :p )

Good luck and I hope all goes well for you.
 
I see a lot of posts about epidurals and I'm not trying to start a debate..I had 2 epidurals and I loved them.. I ,however,was not aware really,of the risks.. You are more likely to need a csection if you have an epi,and you sometimes are unable to push.
I'm not trying to convince anyone not to get one,I just want people to look at the risks..
I'd also do some research on Circumcisions rather than just get one because everyone else did..THis is what I did with my first son.
Live and learn
 
ryan840 said:
I didn't mean to scare you about the accidents, I think they're pretty rare now because they cut you off from eating and drinking... sorry! :sunny:

They don't cut off foods or liquids unless you are scheduled. Most woman can have clear fluids - including broth, gingerale, and juices.

I have to tell those of you who are afraid of the whole "accident" thing - I work in labor and delivery rooms and if the mom starts to have a BM - we are actually happy to see it! :rotfl: It means that she is pushing effectivly. Also - we wisk it away so discreetly that dads or others in the room almost never, ever notice.
 
transparant said:
They don't cut off foods or liquids unless you are scheduled. Most woman can have clear fluids - including broth, gingerale, and juices.

I have to tell those of you who are afraid of the whole "accident" thing - I work in labor and delivery rooms and if the mom starts to have a BM - we are actually happy to see it! :rotfl: It means that she is pushing effectivly. Also - we wisk it away so discreetly that dads or others in the room almost never, ever notice.
I think they cut off food and drink just in case you need anesthesia
 
JennyMominRI said:
I see a lot of posts about epidurals and I'm not trying to start a debate..I had 2 epidurals and I loved them.. I ,however,was not aware really,of the risks.. You are more likely to need a csection if you have an epi,and you sometimes are unable to push.
I'm not trying to convince anyone not to get one,I just want people to look at the risks..
I'd also do some research on Circumcisions rather than just get one because everyone else did..THis is what I did with my first son.
Live and learn

;) Good post. :)
 
Also wanted to add - almost all of the Dr.s that I work with these days don't jump the gun on episiotomy's - especially if you have it in writing that you would like to avoid one. I just did a delivery last weekend - first time mom, 9lb 9oz baby girl - no episiotomy :) :cool1:
 
Ok, gotta put my story in here too. For DS #1 I had an epidural and an episiotomy. The epidural gave me the shakes so bad I thought I was going to come out of my skin, so I never had one again. Thankfully my labors are short. My best friend however has long labors so she had an epidural with no problems. As for the episiotomy, I spoke with my doctor early on and disscussed this. They massage the area as much as possible while in labor to help the stretching that happens normally. DS #2 had a large head and was quite uncomfortable but I had no tearing. I did however have the nurse from he double hockey sticks. I told my doctor something wasn't right because the pain was different. The nurse proceeds to tell me that childbirth is painful and I just needed to get over it and push through it. Uh, hello I've been here before I know what labor feels like. Before the doctor said a word I told the woman she was a rhymes with witch and to get out of my room before I killed her and that she was fired. She looked at the doctor and he said you heard her get out. I think my husband about had heart failure but I'm in charge of what happens. I am woman hear me roar :rotfl: After she was gone I got a new nurse that helped me on my side and delivery was a breeze. I also specifically requested that the first nurse didn't come near me or my son. DS#3 was a breeze but he was a lot smaller than his brothers. That doctor told be I was born to have babies as he's checking me, I didn't exactly know how to take that comment :teeth:
Just remember that you are in charge, you know your body better than anyone else. Be vocal about your wishes but also be flexible since things can change quickly. As for the pain I don't seem to remember it much, now I broke my tailbone 20 years ago and still remember that feeling today, go figure.
One more bit of advise, don't feel obligated to keep your baby with you all the time in the hospital. All 3 of mine were born in the middle of the night
and after 1/2 hour of sleep they woke me up to give me DS#1 I told them they were crazy! You need your rest the next 18 years are gonna be rough. :earboy2:
 
I have not read the rest of this thread but an episiotomy is the least of your problems if you are concerned about pain! They do this procedure because it is easier to repair than a tear. An episiotomy needs a good bit of attention on your part to allow healing without infection and it is at such a time when you may not have much time to spend on yourself...depending on how much help you have at home.

I had an epidural with a C-Section and I would not do one for a normal birth. I like knowing what is going on and being able to feel everything and move if I want to.

The pain of the birth itself, depending on your genes, can be indescribable! BUT, nothing that a good lamaze class can't see you through!! We women are compact models, built for pain endurance!! ;) I have had one child that made my head spin around and obsenities fly and another child that I received complements from nurses for handling the level of pain for so long!

No matter what your experience, it is all worth it!
 
mtblujeans said:
I have not read the rest of this thread but an episiotomy is the least of your problems if you are concerned about pain! They do this procedure because it is easier to repair than a tear. An episiotomy needs a good bit of attention on your part to allow healing without infection and it is at such a time when you may not have much time to spend on yourself...depending on how much help you have at home.

The thought that "its better to have an episiotomy than to tear" is old school thinking.

Episiotomy's are not always easier to repair than a tear. When you tear - *most of the time it is superficial - with an episiotomy a lot of times women tear even more because of that procedure (think of a sheet - when you cut it, it tears more easily after that). I have to say in my practice - if a woman is going to tear a bit - I advise to let them tear, almost always its smaller than an episiotomy and the repair is 9 times out of 10 much easier to repair. Most tears that I see require a stitch or two - sometimes 3. Episiotomy's require more than that.
 
Here is a very informative article on episiotomy's -

http://healthgate.partners.org/brow...=To cut or tear: episiotomy during childbirth

To Cut or Tear: Episiotomy During Childbirth
by Troya Renee Yoder, MS

When Katherine Higdon of Euless, Texas was pregnant, she was frightened by the idea of an episiotomy, a surgical incision made between the ****** and anus to enlarge the ******l opening during childbirth. But if it came down to a tear versus a cut, she hoped her doctor would opt for the episiotomy.

"I would have rather been cut than allowed to tear, which is more painful," she says.

Higdon's view that a clean cut is less painful than a tear reflects conventional wisdom that has persisted for decades. Ever since routine episiotomy became part of modern obstetrics in the 1920s, physicians have told women that episiotomy has several benefits, including preventing severe perineal tearing, maintaining pelvic floor functioning, reducing stretching of the ****** and thereby preventing sexual dysfunction, and shortening the second stage of labor, which reduces pressure on the baby's brain during delivery.

But some experts are saying that these reasons for episiotomy are not necessarily backed by scientific evidence.

What the Research Says
When the first randomized controlled studies on episiotomies were initiated in North America in the early 1990s, the results challenged everything physicians believed about routine episiotomy.

"In fact, the research shows that episiotomies cause the very trauma they are supposed to prevent," says Dr. Michael Klein, MD, a professor of family practice and pediatrics at the University of British Columbia and head of the department of family practice at the Children's & Women's Centre of British Columbia, who led the research.

Klein and his colleagues at Children's & Women's Center in Vancouver as well as at McGill University and the University of Montreal studied several postpartum outcomes in women who had episiotomies versus women who did not.

They found that women who delivered over an intact perineum?no episiotomy and no tearing?had the least perineal pain and the strongest pelvic floor musculature, and resumed sexual relations earlier than did women who did not deliver over an intact perineum. In addition, women with second-degree spontaneous tears (which involve the muscles of the perineum) experienced less perineal pain, less pain during sexual intercourse, and stronger pelvic floor function compared with women who had episiotomies. Women who had the more extensive third- and fourth-degree tears reported the most pain and fared the worst.

The researchers also found a strong relationship between episiotomies and severe perineal tearing. Of the 53 women studied who experienced third- or fourth-degree tears, 52 of them had undergone an episiotomy. That's not surprising if you think about it. Imagine how difficult it is to tear a piece of intact cloth, but make a little snip and it tears quite easily.

"When you do an episiotomy, [you have to expect that] under the pressure of the baby's head, the cut you've made will extend to tear and involve the rectum," says Klein.

Studies published in the British Medical Journal have reported that women who had episiotomies had higher rates of anal incontinence during the first six months postpartum, even compared with women who had equivalent tears. In addition, episiotomy carries the same risks as other surgical procedures, including increased blood loss, poor wound healing, and infection.

Belief in the Birth Process
Klein says that it boils down to beliefs. Physicians who routinely perform episiotomies generally have higher rates of all interventions, including use of forceps, vacuum, Cesarean section, induction, and augmentation (the stimulation of labor after it has already begun).

This may mean that your physician's attitude toward episiotomy can serve as a marker for his or her whole style of practice and view of birth, says Klein, and is a great entry point for women to open up discussions with their physicians.

Indications for Episiotomy
While Klein and others feel that routine episiotomy should be abandoned, they support a highly selective use of episiotomy for specific fetal and maternal conditions.

The principle reason for doing an episiotomy should be for fetal reasons, says Klein. For example, an episiotomy may be necessary if a baby's heartbeat drops or there are other signs of fetal distress, which indicate that the baby needs to come out as soon as possible.

Klein's research has found that in a first birth, an episiotomy shortens labor by about nine minutes or three contractions. "And if that extra time is important for the well-being of the baby, then the episiotomy is legitimate," he says. But, according to Klein, this is only true in first births, because in subsequent births you gain almost no time at all.

There are also maternal indications that may warrant episiotomy. For example, women who are thoroughly exhausted and can't push or have had an especially dense epidural may require episiotomies. In fact, studies have associated epidurals as a risk factor for having an episiotomy.

Many doctors are trained to do an episiotomy any time they use forceps or vacuum. Klein, who often uses forceps and vacuum without episiotomy, says you can limit the trauma by not "packaging" the episiotomy along with forceps and vacuum. "There are times when you must use episiotomy, " he says, "but don't consider it a package. They are separate clinical issues."

If You Want to Avoid Episiotomy
Pat Sonnenstuhl, a Washington State certified nurse midwife, offers the following suggestions for women who wish to avoid an unnecessary episiotomy:

Discuss with your health care provider his or her preference for doing or not doing episiotomies and choose a provider who doesn't choose to do them routinely.
Begin daily massage of the perineum (area between the vulva and the anus) around 34 weeks of your pregnancy to soften and smooth the perineal tissues, which improves the ability of your perineum to stretch during pushing.
Experiment with different positions for giving birth, such as sitting, squatting, or lying on your side.
Work with your provider to learn controlled pushing to allow adequate time for the perineum to stretch and for slow, gentle delivery of the baby.

Resources

American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists
http://www.acog.com

American College of Nurse-Midwives
http://www.midwife.org/

Sources:

Eason E, Feldman P. Much ado about a little cut: is episiotomy worthwhile. Obstetrics and Gynecology. 2000;95:616?618.

Klein MC. Relationship of episiotomy to perineal trauma and morbidity, sexual dysfunction, and pelvic floor relaxation. American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology. 1994;171:591?598.

Korte D. A Good Birth, A Safe Birth: Choosing and Having the Childbirth Experience You Want. Harvard Common Press, 1992.

Robinson JN. Predictors of episiotomy use at first spontaneous ******l delivery. Obstetrics and Gynecology. 2000;96:214?218.

Signorello LB, Harlow LB. Episiotomy increases the risk of anal incontinence. British Medical Journal. 2000;7227:86?91.
 
JennyMominRI said:
I think they cut off food and drink just in case you need anesthesia

I thought it was because your digestive system shuts down when you're in labor? My nurse snuck in a turkey sandwich for me the night before I had dd and I thought I was going to puke the whole thing up the entire time.
 
DisneyAddict_M said:
I thought it was because your digestive system shuts down when you're in labor? My nurse snuck in a turkey sandwich for me the night before I had dd and I thought I was going to puke the whole thing up the entire time.

could be..Does anyone here know for sure?
I just know that any times I've had to have anything done involving anesthesia,I have been told no food or drinks for a certain period of time..Because if you vomit,You can aspirate it and die
 
JennyMominRI said:
could be..Does anyone here know for sure?
I just know that any times I've had to have anything done involving anesthesia,I have been told no food or drinks for a certain period of time..Because if you vomit,You can aspirate it and die

:yes: That is the reason. Although the risk of that happening is relatively small.
 
I know that there are some risks with epidurals, but I am a big fan of them as is my OB. First baby, had a c-section after 36 hours of labor. Not pretty. Second baby, new Dr, had him after 14 hours of active labor though I was in the hosp for the entire day before prepping my cervix. Got the epidural after Doc broke my water. Dr tried the massaging thing, but that babies 15 inch head was not moving--he did the episiotome and 15 min later DS was born. Third one, don't remember if I had the episiotome or not! Isn't that funny? I know I had stiches, but my doc knew that whatever he thought was necessary, I was okay with so I am sure he wouldn't have even asked. That little gem was almost 11 lbs, and his head was over an inch bigger than his brothers. That time I asked for the epidural when my Dr was getting ready to break my water. I wanted them there when I needed them and it sometimes takes awhile. The nurse thought I was joking, but my Dr just looked at her and said, "She's serious. Go call the anethesiologist."
 
Ok, I have to add my .04 cents. Here's my experiences:

First baby: Born two days before due date, 22 hours in labor. Tried to be gung ho and go w/out the epidural - yeah right! - gave in about halfway through. After the epidural I could relax and dd came out and hour later with 3 pushes. Had episiotomy. Not a big deal, stitches hurt a bit for a few days, but nothing had couldn't be handled with an epi bottle and some Tucks.

Second baby: Born ON due date, 6 hours in labor. Had very painful "back labor", this time BEGGED for epidural. Got one, but they overdid it a little and I couldn't feel it when it was time to push. Not good, since baby's umbilical cord was around his neck, and he'd been in the birth canal this way for a bit of time with his heartrate dropping. Nurses were idiots. When the baby's heartrate dropped dangerously low, they realized his head was crowning, and one push later he was out. No episiotomy, no tears since he was a very small baby. Epidural didn't wear off for another 6 hours, and I couldn't even stand or walk. This entire delivery was a mess, and my worst experience.

Third baby: Biggest baby of all. Induced 3 weeks earlier because dr. thought if I got any bigger I'd need a cesarean. Induced at 11 am. They were getting ready to give me a caeseran when baby finally decided to show up at 12:45 a.m.. Had epidural, no episotomy and I tore. A lot. Needed several stitches, and it hurt quite a bit for a couple weeks. I couldn't even have a BM without almost passing out from pain. Otherwise, a relatively simple labor. Oh, and the baby wasn't too big, just a LOT of amniotic fluid.

Fourth - and final - baby: Induced due to being a high risk baby. Labored for several hours, then had epidural. Waited, and waited....baby finally came very suddenly 10 hours after the induction. Literally pushed his way out on his own. No episotomy, and I tore again, but not too bad this time.

Each one for me had been different. I have a high pain tolerance, but I wasn't ashamed to ask for an epidural when it became unbearable. Noone gets a special badge or is considered a better mother for refusing pain meds. The risk to baby is very low. It's great if some woman can do it without relief from pain, but some labors hurt more than others, and each mom needs to go with whatever is best for them. As for the circumcision thing, I did research it, and had them done on two of my three boys. (my third son had enough going on medically and we didnt want to put him through another procedure). I talked with my husband about whether or not we should do it, and he said it's what's socially acceptable, and he didn't want his sons to feel different from the other guys in the locker room. Plus, it's just easier to clean. No big deal. I like that we have the option to not do it though.
 
Transparent ... the reasons you gave re tearing being better than episiotomy were why I fought mine for so long, and why I was happy to birth in a tub where an episiotomy could not be done and I would tear if anything (of course if there had been any hint of trouble I would have had to get out of the tub, and on the bed an epis could have been done to hurry the delivery if needed). I have done a ton of birth research, and it led me down the path I went (birthing centre with midwife) b/c I couldn't birth the way I felt was best in the hospital here. My OB with #1 was also not that receptive. In an ideal world the hospital would have had a totally separate birthing suite (away from the sick people LOL!) and would allow total non-intervention unless there was a problem. That way there would have been access to medical technology just in case. But given that our hospital isn't all that high-tech anyway, my risks didn't increase more than marginally by going off-site. What I liked about the birthing centre experience vs the hospital was that the midwife was always with me, and the doula. They watched everything, took notes, talked to me about what I was feeling etc. In the hospital the nurses were busy and were in and out of the room, relying on a couple of monitor readings and internal checks to make their decisions. My midwife at the Centre never once checked me internally - there was no need, we both knew how I was progressing via other means.

Re food and water: with #1 I didn't eat all day - 13 hours without food. What a shock to my system! With #2 I had a bowl of Cream of Wheat (comfort food!) 2 hours before she was born - I couldn't even stand up straight to stir it while it was cooking I was in such active labor, so DH had to! There was no difference in how I felt except that when I didn't eat I felt much weaker and soooo hungry afterwards!!! I must mention that I felt intense nausea with each labor (even when I didn't eat) due to overheating at the end of each contraction. I got so badly flushed it made me feel awful. As long as my little helpers (aka DH and my Mum) kept bathing my face and neck with ICE water I was OK. I never threw up or anything (ooops .. should I not be bringing that possibility up ;) ). Luckily it was only at the end during transition when the contractions were really strong and one on top of the other, not the entire labor!
 


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