Getting a cold after flying, poor air quality??

mickerbaby

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Does this happen to anyone else?? Since the air on the plane is recycled, I always seem to catch someone's else's cold after flying. Is there anyway to avoid this besides wearing a mask on the plane?? (and who would really do that??!!)
My dd and I are just getting over a bad cold and I dread the thought of getting on a plane next month only to expose ourselves and most likely catch another cold. I guess I could give her a bunch of OJ prior to the trip to help beef up her immune system (she's only one, so there's not much else I can give her, like Zinc)
Anyway, just thought I'd ask!
:rolleyes:
 
I don't know with the little one. I'm flying tomorrow, just getting over a cold. I got Zicam and it works great!
 
Not much you can do to avoid cold germs, other than the obvious don't go, but that would not be a good thing. I guess I have been very lucky, I have yet to catch a cold after a flight, in fact I have not had a cold in about 4 years, (knock on wood). Here's hoping it is a disease free flight.
 
I asked my doctor about this and was told the cold virus germinates in your system for 5 - 7 days before symptoms appear. If you come down with a cold after a flight (1 or 2 days later), you probably picked up the virus somewhere else -- long before the flight.
 

Yes, that's true 5-7 days for the virus to incubate, but that's just in time for us to get back on a plane to come home. And flying while congested is brutal, the pain from the pressure build up in your ears is terrible! And I would hate to have my dd go through that. I guess I will bring the children's decongestant and hope for the best (and try Zicam for me!)
Thanks!
 
>>> germinates in your system for 5 - 7 days before symptoms ...

I am promoting the theory that the first symptoms may be felt within a few hours of exposure. But you may not think of a cold at that moment. Rather when your nose starts to run or your throat starts to hurt, your hindsight says, "oh yes, my throat did feel a wee bit funny whenever I swallowed, a few hours after we got off the plane".

Scientists have identified at least 300 kinds of cold viruses, most of which you become immune to after catching once. This is the best reason why for most people they catch fewer colds per year as they grow older.

If someone in front of you sneezes, immediately walk in a different direction if you can, so as to walk around instead of into the invisible cloud of his breath. If you are on an escalator, hold your breath until you have gone several feet past the exact spot where he sneezed.

Usually I try to stand slightly more than three feet from the person I am talking to, after reading that scientists discovered that most cold viruses die before travelling that distance from an ill person's mouth. Meanwhile the other person often tries to stay within 18 inches. So a cat and mouse game, actually a kind of fight, ensues with him moving forward and me moving backward. At work I feel more comfortable standing in the office door rather than next to the seated person I am talking to.

Health tips:
http://members.aol.com/ajaynejr/health.htm
 
Studies have shown that cold germs are most often transmitted via surfaces rather than through the air (although I wouldn't want to be in the direct path of a sneeze either!). A famous study I remember learning about in school had subjects sit closely and converse with someone with a bad cold and even drink after them from the same cup. Very few subjects came down with the cold. A different set of subjects played cards with someone with a cold and every one of them came down with a cold.

So, wash your hands often, wash DDs hands often, use hand sanitizing gel in flight, and hope for the best! With DD so young, I would even take a wet wipe and wipe down all the surfaces around her seat that she will be touching. Kids that age ALWAYS have their fingers on their face and in their mouth.

Good luck.
Peggy
 
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I agree with peg2001. The best defense is to wash your hands often and avoid touching your face (nose, mouth & eyes).
 
Actually there was a study done in Colorado which says that there was no greater chance of getting a cold after a flight. I don't know if I believe that.
 
717's have fresh air pumped in. REgardless I still think that if someone is sick and flying in that tiny space, they'll spread the germs.
 
After my entire family came down with a cold after our last coast to coast flight, a friend told us about this "preventive" vitamin mix called Airborne that is supposed to help boost up the immune system. It was supposedly invented by a grade school teacher who got tired of getting sick from classroom germs.

You drop it in water like Alka-Seltzer, and drink it before a flight or when you will be in crowded places. If anyone has used it, let me know if it worked. I'm going to try it on our next trip this February.

Here's alink to their website:

http://www.airbornehealth.com/main.html

Steve
 
Originally posted by mickerbaby
Is there anyway to avoid this besides wearing a mask on the plane?? (and who would really do that??!!) :rolleyes:

*raises hand* i would!
90% of the time i fly, i get sick from breathing someone else's germs.
i don't care how stupid i look, i'm going to wear a mask this time. :p
(which reminds me, gotta go out and buy a pack of those)


oh yeah, i don't know where the URL is, but i read this flight attendant's website where she talked about how bad the air quality is on planes. she said that even though the airline tells you they pump in fresh air, often times they don't do it just to conserve energy. they keep fresh air pumping to the pilot's cabin all the time of course, and slightly more frequent pumping into the first class cabin... but coach, forget about it.

plus, the pressurized air is sooooo dry!
dries out the mucus in your nose (not to be gross), and without moisture in there you have less protection against germs trying to enter your system.

that flight attendent recommended carrying a handkerchief and keeping it moist with a bottle of water or something, and breathing through it to keep your nose from drying out. i don't know if that works or not, but it sounds possible.
 
that flight attendent recommended carrying a handkerchief and keeping it moist with a bottle of water or something, and breathing through it to keep your nose from drying out. i don't know if that works or not, but it sounds possible.

Yep, it works, for keeping your nose moist, but, not for preventing colds. Best way I have found is to sleep right, eat right, drink plenty of juice with vitamin C , take multi vitamins every day and drink lots of water.
 
My mother gets pneumonia most of the time that after flying. What's up with THAT!?:eek:
 
On a flight down, we saw an elderly couple sitting on the plane with filter masks on. (They also did that annoying thing where they reserved the window & aisle seats for themselves, hoping no one wanted the middle--& it worked!) Then, on the way home, 2 family memebers got on the flight w/ colds, ear infections etc. Within days of the trip, they were soooo sick that they both were in the dr.'s office & on medicine. We didn't get sick on the return flight (but we could have gotten sick on the flight down & incubated) but I believe we got sicker from flying while sick.
 
EVERY time I fly I get sick within a week. I have flown for years and it ALWAYS happens. I believe without a doubt that its the air inside the plane. I saw a 20/20 special a few years ago which said the air on planes was the germiest around. I try not to breath when someone near me sneezes ( I feel like a kid trying to beat a siblings record for who can hold their breath the longest) but I do this until I think the germs have landed to a more permanent surface, which is probably my face/lips/eyes! So the holding the breath thing just doesn't work, but maybe helps my germ phobia. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by disneyberry
*raises hand* i would!
90% of the time i fly, i get sick from breathing someone else's germs.
i don't care how stupid i look, i'm going to wear a mask this time. :p
(which reminds me, gotta go out and buy a pack of those)


Cold viruses are very very tiny. I do not think there is any way a paper mask will filter them out. I'm willing to learn tho, if there is evidence that they help!!

One point that I don't think has been raised on this thread is just how exhausting is air travel. Your body gets worn down and less able to fight off the bugs.

Peggy
 
Today's airplanes provide less fresh air than recommended, giving germs a free ride

By Thomas J. Moore, Globe Correspondent, 8/13/2000

In the Middle Ages, the bubonic plague traveled primarily by ship, as rats carrying infected fleas leaped ashore to decimate new cities. In the modern day, the commercial airliner has become the vehicle for many aspiring diseases.

Although the modern air traveler is more likely to get a respiratory virus than a deadly plague, onboard defenses are limited and may be further weakened.

Scientific studies are few and precautions minimal even though most travelers can remember getting sick soon after a crowded flight, especially in winter.

By definition, airplane cabins provide a great opportunity for diseases to acquire promising new targets. People from around the world are packed tightly into a more poorly ventilated space than any sizable group would otherwise normally inhabit.

Unfortunately, some of these people are likely to be sick. Given studies that report that typical adult comes down with the flu or a cold about twice a year, here are the risks: A typical flight last year had 93 passengers and five crew members. On the average, about five of those passengers will have a cold or the flu. In a six-abreast aircraft, that means a better than 50 percent chance that someone who is sick will be sitting within one row.

In light of these risks, what most people would want is a lot of clean, fresh air. However, what passengers get is one-half or less the fresh air found in a typical modern office building. And that's under ideal conditions. There are other times - at the gate, waiting for takeoff, or during descents - when there is even less fresh air, sometimes much less.

Tests monitoring air during flights have found unpleasant (but not unsafe) buildups of carbon dioxide during some portions of flight. The engineers describe this as a buildup of ''bioeffluents and volatile organic compounds.'' We would perceive it as body odor.

But high levels of ''bioeffluents'' are likely to signal the presence of other hazards of poor ventilation, including increased risk of disease transmission and higher concentration of chemical pollutants.

Ventilation is measured in cubic feet of fresh air available to each person per minute - a measure known as cfm. A modern office building provides about 20 cfm of fresh air. The minimum standard is 15 cfm. That is also the voluntary standard for transportation vehicles, including airliners, buses and subway cars, according to ASHRAE, the American Society of Heating, Refrigerating, and Air-Conditioning Engineers.

Newer jetliners provide 5 to 10 cfm of outside air taken from the engine intake compressors; it is considered fresh, although some have worried that it may sometimes contain chemical pollutants from the engine. Airliners provide an additional 10 cfm of recirculated and filtered air. The use of engine and recirculated air results in greater fuel efficiency, Boeing has said. The FAA, however, noted that it would cost only nine cents per passenger per hour to provide 100 percent fresh outside air.

Indeed, for years, aircraft provided 100 percent fresh outside air. But as manufacturers built airplanes more fuel efficient and cheaper to run, outside air was reduced. The Boeing 727 was the last jet made to provide 100 percent fresh outside air.

Although modern jet airlines do not meet the 15 cfm standard, so far the proposed solution has been to lower the allowable standards to 5 cfm for commercial aircraft, rather than recommend more ventilation on new airplane designs. That idea was backed by Boeing and the chairman of the special ASHRAE panel convened to consider the aircraft issue.

Not everyone is happy with that solution. Flight attendants and others oppose lower standards and have criticized ASHRAE for loading the panel with pro-industry members. The engineering group responded to criticism by including more members without industry ties, and saying the ventilation standard is still undecided, subject to the views of the newly constituted panel.

One panel member - air quality consultant Douglas Walkinshaw of Ottawa - has completed research suggesting that a densely packed airliner could require more ventilation than an office building, not less.

Walkinshaw decided to measure the bad stuff - bioeffluents - rather than good stuff, fresh air, which is usually studied. Even given the same amount of fresh air per person, he found that the level of bioeffluents was two to three times higher in a crowded aircraft environment, compared to a typical office. For brief periods when people first board, the levels could be eight times higher.

Given how many passengers worry about getting sick from a flight, surprisingly little research has been done. For example, the medical literature includes just one case study of flu transmission on aircraft - a 1979 study of an Alaskan flight in which 72 percent of the passengers came down with the flu, but only after being marooned together for three hours on the ground.

A handful of studies have focused on flights with a passenger severely ill with tuberculosis. (Only a few other passengers were apparently infected, but the total included not only people nearby but also some sitting many rows away.)

Even elementary engineering questions have not yet been adequately investigated. One key defense against disease transmission is that the recirculated airplane air goes through a high-efficiency particulate filter, which is capable of capturing most bacteria and many virus particles.

To get some base-line data for a study of how to reduce microbial contamination, John Moorehead of the Battelle Memorial Institute got permission to inspect the filters of six aircraft being brought in for scheduled servicing. (The filters are supposed to be replaced after 12 months.) In five of six planes, a noxious mixture of yeast, fungus, and bacteria had grown all the way through the filters.

As a result, the downstream ducts ''were dirtier than a shower room floor and worse than rest room door handles,'' he concluded. Moorehead noted that a properly installed and sealed filter is very effective against micro-organisms. But he said that this accidental finding shows that filters need to be serviced more frequently - although how much more frequently he could not say from this small sample. It is also surprising that the aircraft industry has not done the studies to determine how often these key filters ought to be replaced.

Also conspicuously missing are basic ventilation and disease studies to guide the design of future aircraft. The greatest disease risk to passengers, Moorehead noted, likely comes from someone sitting nearby.

However, the present practice of locating the air exhaust ducts on the floor, at the fuselage, draws air laterally across the seated passengers. A different design could result in an airflow that was straight up, or straight down, so that fewer passengers were exposed to air in which another may have coughed or exhaled. But would this reduce disease transmission? It ought to, but again there are no studies.

Meanwhile, the authorities have been combating public concerns with public relations instead of science. For example, the Federal Aviation Administration responded to concerns about the high levels of carbon dioxide by saying that levels were much lower than the limits of the Occupational Safety and Health Administration.

That was true, but the OSHA standards were for bakeries and breweries, where fermenting yeast produces unusually large amounts of carbon dioxide.

Boeing noted that its airliners provided more ''air exchanges per hour'' than surgical operating rooms. But because so many more people are sharing that fresh air on an aircraft, the supply per person is less than half the minimum recommended for jail cells.

It is long past time to begin a program of independent scientific research. We need to know how frequently diseases are transmitted through air travel, and what diseases provide the greatest risk. We need to study how they are transmitted, whether through recirculated air, between passengers, or from the seats and other objects people touch.

With this base-line data it would be possible to develop better aircraft designs. Help could come from other policies, such as allowing people to reschedule flights without penalty when sick with a cold or the flu. Our society has developed a splendid system to prevent the most obvious danger of air travel - a crash. The same scientific tools should be used to reduce the risk of getting sick.

In the meantime, Moorehead says, people who are seriously concerned about not getting sick on the next flight - or who are immuno-compromised - should consider wearing a paper surgical mask. It is low-tech, cheap, and very effective. While such a precaution might draw some odd looks in the United States, he notes, in Japan people with colds routinely wear paper masks on public transportation.
 
I think that old fashioned advice is helpful for preventing illnesses in general. Get enough rest, manage your stress, eat as healthful as possible, drink enough fluids.
If that fails and you feel the first hint of a cold...stinging nostrils, ticklely throat or what have you, take a heaping spoon of minced raw garlic (I buy the large jars of minced garlic. The garlic pills don't work and cooked garlic doesn't either.). I take mine with orange juice. I know that just drinking OJ doesn't help me to prevent colds. I wonder if the acidity of the OJ boosts the absorption of the chemicals in the garlic?
You may only need to do this once and your symptoms will be gone. It is effective within hours. If it is a particularly stubborn strain you may need to repeat the dose of garlic. Don't knock it until you try it! : ) It really does work. I'd rather gag down a spoon of garlic than suffer with a cold for a week. I wish I could get my kids to take garlic. BTW, my cholesterol is 136. It may be a side effect of garlic consumption or maybe its just genetic.
 
I agree with everyone about catching colds after flying. Try taking enchinacea before your next trip! It really does help give your imunity a boost.
 














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