Ft. Wilderness Cabins becoming DVC?

[BamaGuy44]

I don't see how this would make a difference in that decision. It's simply replacing cabins for newer cabins.

I get that, but transportation options are always a nice selling point for a "new" resort they're trying to market. Could be a good decent enough reason to bring it back They did say they would be adding enhancements to the property, which could mean basically anything.

 

[zavandor]

I have stolen Madam Leota's crystal ball, so I can give you my predictions.

Point will be priced at the same level as existing WDW resorts, currently it would be $217.
Point chart will be in between a studio and a 1BR. Probably in the ballpark of a AKV value 1BR.
They will be considered deluxe for onsite perks like extra evening hours.
Pet friendly will be a booking category but same point per night and extra cleaning fee payable at checkin.
The new pool will be underwhelming (no lazy river).

Disclaimer: I have an excellent track record of NOT getting my DVC predictions right.

 

[Bibbidi_Boo]

Honestly I like the cabins, but I don’t think DVC needs rooms at WDW currently. I wish Disney would concentrate on other projects.

They fill DVC though almost everyday of the year. Unlike regular hotel rooms which they don't, especially anything priced higher than Values/Moderates.

 

[MarkNC2Disney]

I have stolen Madam Leota's crystal ball, so I can give you my predictions.

Point will be priced at the same level as existing WDW resorts, currently it would be $217.
Point chart will be in between a studio and a 1BR. Probably in the ballpark of a AKV value 1BR.
They will be considered deluxe for onsite perks like extra evening hours.
Pet friendly will be a booking category but same point per night and extra cleaning fee payable at checkin.
The new pool will be underwhelming (no lazy river).

Disclaimer: I have an excellent track record of NOT getting my DVC predictions right.

I think you’re on the right track, and I would add something to the effect of for the privilege of occupancy in the Wilderness of Disney World, each transient is subject to and shall pay a transient occupancy tax of 15% of the rent charged by the operator

 

[sethschroeder]

Honestly I like the cabins, but I don’t think DVC needs rooms at WDW currently. I wish Disney would concentrate on other projects.

Like what?

The ONLY places DVC should be going is next to parks. Anything outside of the parks area is simply making it more like a standard timeshare and removing value.

 

[sethschroeder]

This would not be a moderate anymore than RR

Depends how the build it. Riviera is right next to the skyliner that drops you off at the Epcot gate. These cabins when I looked about staying there one time pretty much require a golf cart to get to the boat dock.

You essentially are in a camp ground that I would stay in for like $100-$200/night. Its essentially a value resort.

That is fine though and its interesting. I honestly think they should turn a building at POP or AOA into DVC as well with super low point requirements.

 

[keishashadow]

Pet friendly will be a booking category but same point per night and extra cleaning fee payable at checkin.

Thinking the non pet friendly units should be a separate booking category.

True allergies, including pet dander, is no joke, especially when a person has other underlying conditions.

has been explained to me it’s cost prohibitive to do that sort of a deep cleaning between guests. One of the reasons WDW has gone to hard surface flooring.

 

[ocdb8r1]

Thinking the non pet friendly units should be a separate booking category.

If CCV can have separate "walk in shower" vs "bathtub" booking inventory, I am sure DVC can implement the same for "dog friendly" and "dog free" booking inventory.

 

[maui22]

They should put in a nice water/pool area and call this River Country DVC.

 

[Suzabella]

So if I want to buy 50 direct points the only resorts Disney will sell to me is either AKV or VGF? I thought members could buy as low as 25 points at all resorts.

As was stated, they may or may not have the UY you're looking for or the resort you're interested in. And they may push those point hard. Just make it clear what you're looking for.

When we checked on BRV a couple years ago, they didn't have points in our UY but put us on a wait list. Got a call back about 3 weeks later. By then, we'd found the perfect contract resale.

 

[Onceuponamarathon]

On the subject of Poly 2 and speculation on new vs original contract…I thought this was part of cabin announcement, but couldn’t find it upon the reread and it was driving me nuts. Then I realized that it was in the construction notifications on the DVC website:

• Disney's Polynesian Villas & Bungalows
  • As we prepare for the proposed expansion at Disney’s Polynesian Village Resort, you will see and hear construction at certain times of day. To minimize disruptions during your stay, activities that may create noise will not start earlier than 9:00 AM.
  • From February 13, 2023 through late spring 2023, the walkway between Disney’s Polynesian Village Resort and Magic Kingdom park will be closed for refurbishment. During this time, monorail transportation and boat service will still be available for your enjoyment.

I know it can still go either way but more and more the language seems to be hinting that they will do a VGF move and make it part of the original.

 

[ehh]

On the subject of Poly 2 and speculation on new vs original contaract…I thought this was part of cabin announcement, but couldn’t find it upon the reread and it was driving me nuts. Then I realized that it was in the construction notifies on the DVC website:

• Disney's Polynesian Villas & Bungalows
  • As we prepare for the proposed expansion at Disney’s Polynesian Village Resort, you will see and hear construction at certain times of day. To minimize disruptions during your stay, activities that may create noise will not start earlier than 9:00 AM.
  • From February 13, 2023 through late spring 2023, the walkway between Disney’s Polynesian Village Resort and Magic Kingdom park will be closed for refurbishment. During this time, monorail transportation and boat service will still be available for your enjoyment.

I know it can still go either way but more and more the language seems to be hinting that they will do a VGF move and make it part of the original.

Polynesian Village Resort contains Polynesian Villas and Bungalows. Expanding the broader resort does not indicate whether they are expanding Polynesian Villas and Bungalows.

I think the only Poly2-related thing in the CFW announcement was DVC establishing that CFW is the 17th resort. They previously established that VDH is the 16th. But if Poly2 comes after CFW, then Poly2 could just be the 18th, so the update for CFW is also not really a comment on Poly2's status.

 

[Sandisw]

On the subject of Poly 2 and speculation on new vs original contaract…I thought this was part of cabin announcement, but couldn’t find it upon the reread and it was driving me nuts. Then I realized that it was in the construction notifies on the DVC website:

• Disney's Polynesian Villas & Bungalows
  • As we prepare for the proposed expansion at Disney’s Polynesian Village Resort, you will see and hear construction at certain times of day. To minimize disruptions during your stay, activities that may create noise will not start earlier than 9:00 AM.
  • From February 13, 2023 through late spring 2023, the walkway between Disney’s Polynesian Village Resort and Magic Kingdom park will be closed for refurbishment. During this time, monorail transportation and boat service will still be available for your enjoyment.

I know it can still go either way but more and more the language seems to be hinting that they will do a VGF move and make it part of the original.

Except what you highlighted is the name of the hotel complex

The offical name for DVC is Polynesian Villas and Bungalows. So, in that respect, this actually supports the opposite of it being rolled into the PVB.

And this why it’s up in the air because whether it becomes part of PVB or not, this resort building is being added to the hotel..

 

[Onceuponamarathon]

Not a smoking gun by *any means*. But the word ‘expansion’ certainly has connotations that ‘build out our DVC accommodations’ doesn’t. And yes, the exact label may imply the opposite (a true separate contract).

But this is the first time I’ve ever seen this language used and thought it was interesting.

 

[Sandisw]

Not a smoking gun by *any means*. But the word ‘expansion’ certainly has connotations that ‘build out our DVC accommodations’ doesn’t. And yes, the exact label may imply the opposite (a true separate contract).

But this is the first time I’ve ever seen this language used and thought it was interesting.

Correct..they are expanding the complex to include more DVC options.

And, that language was what was used in the initial announcement. So, from the start they have been very purposeful in not attaching the expansion specifically to PVB, only that it is on the land belonging to the hotel complex.

 

[tidefan]

Correct..they are expanding the complex to include more DVC options.

And, that language was what was used in the initial announcement. So, from the start they have been very purposeful in not attaching the expansion specifically to PVB, only that it is on the land belonging to the hotel complex.

I know this is not the Poly2 thread but, as a PVB1 owner, if they made PVB2 a separate association, that wouldn't really affect me one way or the other, but I'd have no desire to buy points there.

I also quickly ruled out VDH after the TOT and parking revelations (to add, I think I've even ruled out using my other points there at 7 months - just too expensive compared to a much more competitive off-site situation than WDW).

However, FW has me intrigued. I bet fixed weeks at Halloween and Christmas will be very popular as even if you have an RV it's difficult to get in at those times. I will also bet that you'll need to own at FW if you want to get in at those times...

 

[ehh]

However, FW has me intrigued. I bet fixed weeks at Halloween and Christmas will be very popular as even if you have an RV it's difficult to get in at those times. I will also bet that you'll need to own at FW if you want to get in at those times...

I think there's limits on the number of FW they can sell for any given week, 30% maybe? So the other 70% of rooms are available via standard booking. Might be competitive, but not impossible considering there's going to be 350 total.

Maybe Poly first week of December competitive.

 

[Sandisw]

I think there's limits on the number of FW they can sell for any given week, 30% maybe? So the other 70% of rooms are available via standard booking. Might be competitive, but not impossible considering there's going to be 350 total.

Maybe Poly first week of December competitive.

Its currently no more than 35% of a specific room type (and view) on any given use day. However, they can stop sales before they reach that level...but just can't exceed it.

 

[SL6827]

With the Poly2, it must be an advantage to Disney keep the association a secret right now. They could lose money somehow if it was leaked? Which way would Disney pocket the most money, same or new?

 

[Straulin]

I have stolen Madam Leota's crystal ball, so I can give you my predictions.

Point will be priced at the same level as existing WDW resorts, currently it would be $217.
Point chart will be in between a studio and a 1BR. Probably in the ballpark of a AKV value 1BR.
They will be considered deluxe for onsite perks like extra evening hours.
Pet friendly will be a booking category but same point per night and extra cleaning fee payable at checkin.
The new pool will be underwhelming (no lazy river).

Disclaimer: I have an excellent track record of NOT getting my DVC predictions right.

As these will sleep six, that is higher than any other one bedroom. They will also be separated with more dedicated outdoor space for each cabin than anything but maybe OKW.

I expect there will be one of the single unit lower power use washer/dryers that are popular in Europe. It would go along with the energy efficiency statement, take up less space, and maybe work with existing power infrastructure.

My guess is around 1br Savanah View at AKL. So around 200 a week in September and 360 a week at Christmas. Maybe a few points lower if they don’t squeeze a W/D into them.