Freedom to Marry Day Protest Planned

[fabshelly]

Joe, your heart is hardened, your mind is closed.

Honey, that's about as far away from God as someone can get. I pity you.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Love is not a sin, but God gave specific rules on sexual relations.

You have daughters? God also gave rules about how you can sell them into sexual slavery. (Exodus) Are you following those or encouraging others to follow them?

 

[salmoneous]

What myriad translations? Most Christian Bibles have an intro that states what great care has been taken into translating the Word of God. Please read it. Also, I've never seen a "version" that was different in meaning.

So, when your Bible says, "thou shall not kill" - do you think that means God is telling you not to kill? You have been an outspoken proponent of war in Iraq. War is killing.

If you follow your own rules Joe, you are the one telling people it is OK to disobey God's word.

 

[iloveboardwalk]

Is it just me or are others truly disgusted at the concept that the Bible is being used as a weapon to judge others, to diminish others, to deny others equal rights?

Joe, you may as well use your Bible to physically hit sinners.

I have to tell you Rick, this kind of attitude that you are asking about is exactly the kind of thing that eventually led me to look more deeply into religion and led me away from christianity. I am at best an agnostic now. People like Joe are the catalyst for my own personal reformation. Food for thought, I guess.

 

[LuvDuke]

Is it just me or are others truly disgusted at the concept that the Bible is being used as a weapon to judge others, to diminish others, to deny others equal rights?

Using the Bible as a weapon isn't a new arrangement which is why I walked away from that BS nearly 35 years ago. And everytime I see discussions like the last umpteenth pages of this thread, it reinforces that I made the right decision.

 

[Laura]

So, when your Bible says, "thou shall not kill" - do you think that means God is telling you not to kill? You have been an outspoken proponent of war in Iraq. War is killing.

Actually, I believe it's "murder" in a correct Hebrew translation.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

That's what you think. But that's just it--it doesn't matter what you think. It only matters what the Constitution says.

"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Ah, the Fourteenth Amendment. Lovely, isn't it?

So polygamy is fine then or is it just homosexuality? I'm sure the bisexuals want "equality" too.

I don't see how the 14th amendment applies to gay "marriage." If it's so cut and dried why have not all the courts across the land ruled so?

 

[Miss Jasmine]

So, if I work Saturday, you're going to come over and kill me? Because the Bible clearly states that you must do that.

Well a lot of Christians think the Sabbath is Sunday. But yes I wonder.

And Rick, I get extremely upset when the Bible is used as a tool for hate.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Joe, your heart is hardened, your mind is closed.

Honey, that's about as far away from God as someone can get. I pity you.

Save your pity.

 

[RickinNYC]

So polygamy is fine then or is it just homosexuality? I'm sure the bisexuals want "equality" too.

I don't see how the 14th amendment applies to gay "marriage." If it's so cut and dried why have not all the courts across the land ruled so?

Oh my God. Whenever you feel stumped, you immediately go back to that.

I have to say that I am truly grateful that at least you now leave it at just polylgamy and no longer bring the whole pedophilia and beastility nonsense into the equation.

 

[salmoneous]

Actually, I believe it's "murder" in a correct Hebrew translation.

In your world and mine, there is room for translational differences. Joe just told us that in his world, there are no such things. In his world, God commanded us not to kill.

 

[iloveboardwalk]

So polygamy is fine then or is it just homosexuality? I'm sure the bisexuals want "equality" too.

Well why not? What difference can it possibly make to you?

I don't see how the 14th amendment applies to gay "marriage." If it's so cut and dried why have not all the courts across the land ruled so?

Because there are a lot of people in this country who think they have the authority to mind other people's business.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Oh my God. Whenever you feel stumped, you immediately go back to that.

I have to say that I am truly grateful that at least you now leave it at just polylgamy and no longer bring the whole pedophilia and beastility nonsense into the equation.

Your welcome.

I hope society never goes that far.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Is it just me or are others truly disgusted at the concept that the Bible is being used as a weapon to judge others, to diminish others, to deny others equal rights?

Joe, you may as well use your Bible to physically hit sinners.

I can't understand this mentality that religious belief is to be used as a hammer to beat others into submission!!! How is that bringing the Good News of God to others???

What I'm coming to understand is why so many people think Christians are all intolerant, hateful bigots. I've not run into this attitude in RL very often. (but then I do live an hour outside of the sinful metropolis of NYC) I can't imagine any Christian that I go to Mass with, or go to work with or any in my family that would say the kind of things I've read here. I guess we're all going to the hot place because we've misled the brethren.

 

[jimmiej]

So, if I work Saturday, you're going to come over and kill me? Because the Bible clearly states that you must do that.

Sunday is the Christian Sabbath.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

Because there are a lot of people in this country who think they have the authority to mind other people's business.

And those in our government do. We as a people have given them (directly or indirectly) such authority. And we usually vote on changes.

 

[RickinNYC]

Save your pity.

I think there are a lot more than just Shelly who pity your mindset because you have chosen to use your faith in God as a weapon. You use your beliefs to hate non-believers and sinners as opposed to love fellow man. The very idea of that is what makes others, and I think I can speak for a number of others, very sad for you and yes, pity you. I certainly do.

It must be a lonesome existence to live one's life with so much hate in one's heart and to find solace in a book.

 

[beachblanket]

Are you proud of the right for co-opting the "bundle of sticks" word?? Is that right-wing, conservative lingo?

As usual, the left ignores the point I made (PC allows bigotry against the right, but not the left).

But even given that, I'm willing to answer the question above.

No, and I completely disapprove of it's use in that fashion.

But interestingly, I've never heard a homosexual apologize for hijacking the adjective "gay" or calling anyone who disagrees with their political agenda a "homophobe" - so I guess they're proud of both.

 

[Laura]

So polygamy is fine then or is it just homosexuality? I'm sure the bisexuals want "equality" too.

Bisexuals generally don't want to marry more than one person. Look at it this way: I'm attracted to many kinds of men, but I married only one. Same with bisexuals--attracted to many kinds of people.

And plural marriage is a different legal ball of wax. Divorce laws, spousal death/health benefits, does one have to have permission from the first spouse to marry another person when the first spouse doesn't want to, who's married to whom, etc. would have to be hammered out in the courts and would require far more legal hoop-jumping than gay marriage. Personally, I don't have an issue with polygamists as long as they're not kidnapping 12-year-old girls to marry. Not for me, but hey, that's okay. It worked for Jacob and Solomon, right?

I don't see how the 14th amendment applies to gay "marriage." If it's so cut and dried why have not all the courts across the land ruled so?

The 14th amendment applies because gays do not have access to the equal protection that marriage laws grant them. Simple. And the courts (those darned activist judges) have been ruling that way. I guess you haven't been paying attention. Read up on the recent NJ ruling.

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

I can't understand this mentality that religious belief is to be used as a hammer to beat others into submission!!! How is that bringing the Good News of God to others???

What I'm coming to understand is why so many people think Christians are all intolerant, hateful bigots. I've not run into this attitude in RL very often. (but then I do live an hour outside of the sinful metropolis of NYC) I can't imagine any Christian that I go to Mass with, or go to work with or any in my family that would say the kind of things I've read here. I guess we're all going to the hot place because we've misled the brethren.

The good news is that if we accept what Jesus did on the cross (see John 3:16), then all of our sins are forgiven and eternal salvation is ours.