FP+ Work Around, how to get more FP in a day thread?

[roomthreeseventeen]

I'm sorry, that comment makes no sense, you can't have unlimited.... as long as it's within the first hour of park opening. What if you get a FP for TSMM right at 9:10 with a 10:30 return time, then you are not eligible to get another FP- until 10:30, at which time RNR is out, better try ToT. That isn't really unlimited fastpasses to me.

Oh, and what happened to the being able to sleep in stuff? It's still the early bird getting the worm no matter which system you're working with, under FP- it's the one who gets to the park the earliest, under FP+ it's the one who longs into MDE at 60 days out.

I meant unlimited in terms of more than three. And you are NEVER guaranteed FP if you sleep in.

 

[baileybrad]

I don't think it's getting hosed to have unlimited FastPass as long as you are there early.

You are right, I forgot Disney is being so honest and forth right about all this that:

a) these guests know how FP+ will limit their access to: TSM, Soarin, RRC at a minimum during the holidays.......standby only, please.

b) what unlimited FP- are you speaking about for the above rides.

c) what percentage of all guests do you think are aware of the glitch that allows (today but could be gone at ANY time) unlimited FP- pulls?

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

Sorry, I may drink the Kool-Aid, but I'm not going to whine about my vacation.

 

[baileybrad]

Sorry, I may drink the Kool-Aid, but I'm not going to whine about my vacation.

No reason to be sorry. Thanks for clarifying your objectivity when it comes to all things Disney.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

No reason to be sorry. Thanks for clarifying your objectivity when it comes to all things Disney.

If you don't like FP+, don't go to Disney world. Or stay on-site. Complaining on a Disney message board gets yo u where?

 

[lugnut33]

If you don't like FP+, don't go to Disney world. Or stay on-site. Complaining on a Disney message board gets yo u where?

As for me, I still have an open mind about it. We are leaving in 2 days for a trip over Thanksgiving. I'm excited and nervous to see how it all works. I'm just hoping i'm one of those, "everything went great" stores rather than the "I spent 2 hours in guest relations" stories.

I also find this whole implementation fascinating. I do have some preconceived notions though heading into this. I also have to make sure I pull all the saved ticket media I have on my desk and see if I can pull FP- with them.

 

[baileybrad]

If you don't like FP+, don't go to Disney world. Or stay on-site. Complaining on a Disney message board gets yo u where?

Thanks for the advice. Since you do not pay for our trips and plan our vacations, you do not get to tell our family if we should or should not visit Disney.

Strange concept but these are actually discussion forums where people give varying points of view.

We have been DVC members since '98. Been staying on-site since late 80's.

Kudos to Disney when they do things well. Sadly, many of the changes that occurred at the Disney parks have not been well received by literally thousands on these boards. And on the flip-side thousands have liked changes made over the years.

The sample period is much greater than a few visits on-site.

While most on the boards seem to still enjoy Disney. The transition to FP+ seems to have caused the most debate on these boards in a very long time.

I may be in the minority but I do believe that the FP+ roll out has been problematic to put it mindly.

And, when many off-site guests show up over the Holidays and are shut out of having an equal opportunity to pick FPs for some of their favorite attractions........it could get really nasty.

I have always realized that Disney is a giant money sucking machine. We have over (sorry but I cannot list out my visits by resort) around 35 visits of 3 to 10 days each as a family over the past 25 years or so and have enjoyed Disney to our advantage. Never losing sight that they will suck you dry if you let them. I did not know or understand the business of Disney when we visited
on day trips as a kid with my parents.

I do recall that back then it was pretty much an even playing field for gaining access to the attractions.

 

[Disneylover99]

It still works, they just have to have been room only. Anyone who tells you it worked with an expired package is not telling the truth.

We had a package with 10 day MYW tickets in August on our KTTW card. On our last day we upgraded to AP's and received new cards. Those old August cards worked in the FP machines in October.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

We had a package with 10 day MYW tickets in August on our KTTW card. On our last day we upgraded to AP's and received new cards. Those old August cards worked in the FP machines in October.

Because they weren't expired. You were still on that trip.

 

[Missyrose]

If you don't like FP+, don't go to Disney world. Or stay on-site. Complaining on a Disney message board gets yo u where?

And complaining about complaints on a Disney message board is sure to get you somewhere.

 

[roomthreeseventeen]

And complaining about complaints on a Disney message board is sure to get you somewhere.

I'm not looking to get anywhere. I don't care if anyone on this board goes to Disney or not.

 

[SMorgan711]

"Double dipping" as it was initially defined isn't using old cards. It's using the "backup" KTTW card to pull FP-s while still participating in FP+.

But, no, Disney hasn't said anything against it, and some people have been told it was OK by various CMs, both on the phone and in the parks.

I'm glad we had our Key to the World card as backup when we were there last week. Two days the app totally failed and wouldn't let us change any FP experiences or times even though we didn't use any that day yet. If we didn't pull FP-, we would have been standby only.

 

[MJ6987]

This was such a cool find by Kenny. Have Disney worked out how to close it yet?

 

[su_A_ve]

This was such a cool find by Kenny. Have Disney worked out how to close it yet?

It depends - if the but is on the app itself (which I doubt however) then it's a matter of not updating it. Also, (at least with iOS) they have a few days to submit a new one before the annual shutdown for app submission hits (between xmas and new years).

 

[freediverdude]

It depends - if the but is on the app itself (which I doubt however) then it's a matter of not updating it. Also, (at least with iOS) they have a few days to submit a new one before the annual shutdown for app submission hits (between xmas and new years).

If it's this timing issue, I'm not sure how they would fix it actually. I guess they could give a lot less time for the "shopping cart" before timing out, but it would have to be awfully short to keep people from doing this, short enough that it would tick off users just trying to make honest changes. Maybe they could come up with a way to temporarily disable your current selections while in the change screens, but make them valid again if you cancel out of the process. Even that would cause problems with average users trying to make changes to other fastpasses while in line. So I dunno, I think it's going to be tough for them to close that loophole.

 

[clsteve]

If it's this timing issue, I'm not sure how they would fix it actually. I guess they could give a lot less time for the "shopping cart" before timing out, but it would have to be awfully short to keep people from doing this, short enough that it would tick off users just trying to make honest changes. Maybe they could come up with a way to temporarily disable your current selections while in the change screens, but make them valid again if you cancel out of the process. Even that would cause problems with average users trying to make changes to other fastpasses while in line. So I dunno, I think it's going to be tough for them to close that loophole.

Yep, locking the user account for data integrity is colliding with scheduled batch updates to and from the FP+ readers. So, many things to consider- including system performance.

 

[wn01aa]

If it's this timing issue, I'm not sure how they would fix it actually. I guess they could give a lot less time for the "shopping cart" before timing out, but it would have to be awfully short to keep people from doing this, short enough that it would tick off users just trying to make honest changes. Maybe they could come up with a way to temporarily disable your current selections while in the change screens, but make them valid again if you cancel out of the process. Even that would cause problems with average users trying to make changes to other fastpasses while in line. So I dunno, I think it's going to be tough for them to close that loophole.

To make a fix, my thinking is that while a new attraction is in the "shopping cart", MDE still remembers the attraction that is already booked as is attempting to be changed. If that originally booked attraction FP+ is actually used, it voids being able to checkout with new attraction and when you click "Done", it says "Error, FP+ selection already used".=, and brings you back to the menu and shows you still have 2 remaining FP+ and also shows the FP+ which was just used.

How easy would it be for IT to do make it work like this, I have no idea.

 

[doctornick]

I have to say I agree. I don't get the "that's too complicated" statements. It's really not. It involves more time on the phone, sure, but it's not complicated.

Yeah, it's no more complicated than changing times/attractions for FP+ otherwise is. Unless "not pressing a bottom for a while" is a complicated step.

 

[clsteve]

To make a fix, my thinking is that while a new attraction is in the "shopping cart", MDE still remembers the attraction that is already booked as is attempting to be changed. If that originally booked attraction FP+ is actually used, it voids being able to checkout with new attraction and when you click "Done", it says "Error, FP+ selection already used".=, and brings you back to the menu and shows you still have 2 remaining FP+ and also shows the FP+ which was just used.

How easy would it be for IT to do make it work like this, I have no idea.

Would seem to make sense but they're not reconciling the completion of the FP+ he's in line for before he completes the transaction he's using to lock his acount in MDE. The time lag shows a probable time initiated batch for ride completion for multiple riders. So, they're not reconciling each individual guest's account or account status at the first or last FP+ scan. Why? - because they can pre-load the data for scheduled riders much earlier since it's a reservation. They can load that the night before, if they want to. And (they thought) just efficiently move any changes, like cancellations.

So, at this stage in the process, they're defaulting to whatever data that's in the user account as true for whatever conflict arises. Meaning, they're discarding the ride complete in favor of the newly stored FP+ reservation.

 

[Mad Hattered]

Would seem to make sense but they're not reconciling the completion of the FP+ he's in line for before he completes the transaction he's using to lock his acount in MDE. The time lag shows a probable time initiated batch for ride completion for multiple riders. So, they're not reconciling each individual guest's account or account status at the first or last FP+ scan. Why? - because they can pre-load the data for scheduled riders much earlier since it's a reservation. They can load that the night before, if they want to. And (they thought) just efficiently move any changes, like cancellations.

So, at this stage in the process, they're defaulting to whatever data that's in the user account as true for whatever conflict arises. Meaning, they're discarding the ride complete in favor of the newly stored FP+ reservation.

You sound smart. You should probably start dumbing yourself down some and just go with the flow, Bro.