FP+ questions... Really lost

[Lorilais_mommie]

Yes I agree another check in the pro column for staying onsite vs offsite to guests on the fence.
the standby lines are going to be long if only resort guests can use fP+ and only 4-5 a day with only one headliner. Lots of people in standby. I really do see some fee to get more or add on coming. Disney has to make money on their billion dollar investment right?

Maybe it will be a an extra charge for non resort guest....
But right now, if its an added perk but it does not allow you to use FP- I do not think it will go over very well..

 

[Lorilais_mommie]

I'm going to post this question here as well b/c I think this may affect some opinions

So there is another thread talking about AP getting 20+ FP+ per quarter... But if they stay at a resort they could get the same perk as a resort guest...
So will a AP holder also still get there 20 FP+ on top of that...
So they get there 4 FP+ from the resort and then get and extra 4+ pre day for being an AP holder

What do guys all think?
Maybe they are planning to sell. More APs

 

[doconeill]

I'm going to post this question here as well b/c I think this may affect some opinions

So there is another thread talking about AP getting 20+ FP+ per quarter... But if they stay at a resort they could get the same perk as a resort guest...
So will a AP holder also still get there 20 FP+ on top of that...
So they get there 4 FP+ from the resort and then get and extra 4+ pre day for being an AP holder

What do guys all think?
Maybe they are planning to sell. More APs

I don't think it was necessary to post it here as well.

It is just a rumor to start with. We don't know how AP holders will be handled. So we don't know if they can do both in a single day. I have my doubts.

 

[bcrook]

Lets assume that the regular FP system stays in play and somehow converts to RFID. The FP+ allows Four scheduled events but everything else stays the same. In addition to pre scheduled events, grab what you can under the old rules. Maybe there is a limit of one FP any type per ride a day.

Do you think you would still have to run all over the park to get your FP or could you log into your app and add the next available ToT to slot to your "bracelet" while you are eating at 50's prime time, shopping in a clothing store, or watching some street performers. Thats how that new technology could helpful and make people happy. But, I think the running all over the park was supposed to be a deterrent, I bet Disney never predicted people would that.

 

[doconeill]

Lets assume that the regular FP system stays in play and somehow converts to RFID. The FP+ allows Four scheduled events but everything else stays the same. In addition to pre scheduled events, grab what you can under the old rules. Maybe there is a limit of one FP any type per ride a day.

Do you think you would still have to run all over the park to get your FP or could you log into your app and add the next available ToT to slot to your "bracelet" while you are eating at 50's prime time, shopping in a clothing store, or watching some street performers. Thats how that new technology could helpful and make people happy. But, I think the running all over the park was supposed to be a deterrent, I bet Disney never predicted people would that.

If they converted to a completely ticketless system, they certainly could do this. Use the app or a kiosk at another location to "grab" an available FP for an attraction.

And I'm totally fine with one FP per attraction per day. Or, if I have a FP+, I can't also get a FP for the same attraction.

But I'm not going to get my hopes up until there is at least some indication that they are moving in that direction.

 

[Cinderumbrella]

Lets assume that the regular FP system stays in play and somehow converts to RFID. The FP+ allows Four scheduled events but everything else stays the same. In addition to pre scheduled events, grab what you can under the old rules. Maybe there is a limit of one FP any type per ride a day.

Do you think you would still have to run all over the park to get your FP or could you log into your app and add the next available ToT to slot to your "bracelet" while you are eating at 50's prime time, shopping in a clothing store, or watching some street performers. Thats how that new technology could helpful and make people happy. But, I think the running all over the park was supposed to be a deterrent, I bet Disney never predicted people would that.

I would be fine with this scenario so long as I am not restricted to the ones I can make in advance. If I want to use my 4 on Space Mountain, BTMRR, Splash Mountain and Peter Pan then let me. I do not want to have to pick 1 from a pre-assigned group, thus shutting me out of 2 of 4 headliners, KWIM?

Also, let me choose which rides in which parks. If I only want to use 1 for TSM and 1 for RnRC, then let me use my other 2 for Soarin and Test Track when I park hop the same day.

 

[JaimeA]

I'm going to post this question here as well b/c I think this may affect some opinions

So there is another thread talking about AP getting 20+ FP+ per quarter... But if they stay at a resort they could get the same perk as a resort guest...
So will a AP holder also still get there 20 FP+ on top of that...
So they get there 4 FP+ from the resort and then get and extra 4+ pre day for being an AP holder

What do guys all think?
Maybe they are planning to sell. More APs

As an AP holder and resort guest I would love if they combined them but I highly doubt they will. The max is probably 4 per day regardless of how they are obtained. But then again I know nothing

I wish Disney would announce this already... The suspense is killing me

 

[mbrittb00]

If regular fastpass will eventually be gone. How will offsite guests use FP+? I am assuming they can't since they won't have a pkg or AP or reservation to link to? We only stay onsite because of DVC but this has me worried. If only onsite guests can use FP+ what are those standby lines going to look like??? And if offsite can't use FP+ and FP+ will be taking over FP will there be the same number of FP+ that there were FP, meaning will onsite guests have no problem getting that elusive TSM evening slot??

And yet disney resort will be sold out! Disney wants to give people who price compare another reason to stay at their resorts....
It makes since.... Why would I stay, play and end up paying for the FP at universal when I can get it for free if i stay within the disney parks and at a disney resort!

I remember the year Harry opened... That early dec... The parks had very low crowds.. At least the day we were there

We typically go during the low seasons (February or October) so this may be why, but I've never heard of an instance where the Disney resorts were "sold out". But even if they did, they (Disney) still can't fill up their parks with onsite guests only. There are roughly 30k rooms on property (including the DVC). If you assume that they hold an average of 3.5 people (some couples, some families of 3, other families of 5 or 6 taking two rooms). That is 105k people. From what I've read both the MK and EP are considered full when they reach 50k people, HS capacity is 40k, and AK is 35k. By my account that is a park capacity of 175k people or 70k people (or 40% of park capacity) that would HAVE to stay offsite. I don't see them creating a system that would greatly reduce the experiance of those staying offsite to the point where they may decide it isn't worth it.

Right now staying onsite or offsite you get the same IN PARK perks. If FP+ was only available to those staying onsite that would change that dynamic drastically. Then there are those who it isn't finantially feasable to stay onsite.

True that US has a major perk for those staying onsite, but considering that it is only 3 hotels with a total of 2400 rooms (or ~8400 guests) compaired to a park capacity of around 90k (~9.5% guests onsite), the effect of that perk to offsite guests is insignificant.

 

[mbrittb00]

Lets assume that the regular FP system stays in play and somehow converts to RFID. The FP+ allows Four scheduled events but everything else stays the same. In addition to pre scheduled events, grab what you can under the old rules. Maybe there is a limit of one FP any type per ride a day.

Do you think you would still have to run all over the park to get your FP or could you log into your app and add the next available ToT to slot to your "bracelet" while you are eating at 50's prime time, shopping in a clothing store, or watching some street performers. Thats how that new technology could helpful and make people happy. But, I think the running all over the park was supposed to be a deterrent, I bet Disney never predicted people would that.

Don't forget that the T&C have clearly statated that once you switch to FP+ you won't be able to use the FP- system.

 

[mom2rtk]

From what I've read both the MK and EP are considered full when they reach 50k people, HS capacity is 40k, and AK is 35k. By my account that is a park capacity of 175k people or 70k people (or 40% of park capacity) that would HAVE to stay offsite. I don't see them creating a system that would greatly reduce the experiance of those staying offsite to the point where they may decide it isn't worth it.

I don't know the specifics, but I've always heard MK capacity was around 100K. Could be way off base on that. Could be even higher with more real estate open in New FL. But whatever it is, Epcot is higher.

We were in the MK 12/16/11. We were discussing with a CM (not a bus driver at least!) how crowded it was that day. He said they were told to expect 60K that day. And that wasn't Christmas busy yet.

You can bet any day Disney is not at peak capacity is a day they're looking to increase attendance. So that's what....... around 360 days a year?

 

[mbrittb00]

I don't know the specifics, but I've always heard MK capacity was around 100K. Could be way off base on that. Could be even higher with more real estate open in New FL. But whatever it is, Epcot is higher.

We were in the MK 12/16/11. We were discussing with a CM (not a bus driver at least!) how crowded it was that day. He said they were told to expect 60K that day. And that wasn't Christmas busy yet.

You can bet any day Disney is not at peak capacity is a day they're looking to increase attendance. So that's what....... around 360 days a year?

Higher park capacity makes them even more reliant on offsite guests. If the 100k figure is correct they could nearly fill up the MK with the onsite resort capacity. I find it hard to believe that they would create a system that would put 50% if their guests at a severe disadvantage

 

[DougEMG]

I got to do this last May and it was fabulous! However, I come down on the side of those unhappy with the apparent new caveat that regular FP will no longer be an option if you are doing FP+. Together they make the trip smoother, separately they make the trip a hassle.

Same here. I was looking forward to FP+ when I was assuming that we would also be able to use the regular FP, but with that not being an option I really don't like restrictions that come with FP+.

 

[mbrittb00]

Something else that just occured to me. The daily ride capacity of each of the attractions is much less than the park capacity. For example the Theoratical Hourly Ride Capacity for Space Mountain is around 2000 (RCDB didn't have a capacity listed for the WDW Space Mountain so I'm using the capacity from the DL Space Mountatin. It should be similar since the vehicles are the same and the launch rate should be nearly identical). Which give us a daily ride capacity of around 27k.

Assumptions:
Park open from 9am - midnight : 15 hours
Ride operating at 90% efficiency
FPs take approx 80% of the ride capacity
Resorts are 75% full
33% of those resort guests go to MK
Only 75% of them book SpaM FP+.

THRC (Theoricial Hourly Ride Capacity) : 2000
Actual Hourly Ride Capacity : 1800
Daily Ride Capacity : 27k
Total FPs available : 21.6k

Resort Guests : 78.75k
Resort Guests at MK : 26k
Resort Guests that book SpaM FP+ : 19.5k

This would only leave 2100 FPs in the system for the day. Considering this I don't see how FP and FP+ can coexist.

 

[bcrook]

Something else that just occured to me. The daily ride capacity of each of the attractions is much less than the park capacity. For example the Theoratical Hourly Ride Capacity for Space Mountain is around 2000 (RCDB didn't have a capacity listed for the WDW Space Mountain so I'm using the capacity from the DL Space Mountatin. It should be similar since the vehicles are the same and the launch rate should be nearly identical). Which give us a daily ride capacity of around 27k.

Assumptions:
Park open from 9am - midnight : 15 hours
Ride operating at 90% efficiency
FPs take approx 80% of the ride capacity
Resorts are 75% full
33% of those resort guests go to MK
Only 75% of them book SpaM FP+.

THRC (Theoricial Hourly Ride Capacity) : 2000
Actual Hourly Ride Capacity : 1800
Daily Ride Capacity : 27k
Total FPs available : 21.6k

Resort Guests : 78.75k
Resort Guests at MK : 26k
Resort Guests that book SpaM FP+ : 19.5k

This would only leave 2100 FPs in the system for the day. Considering this I don't see how FP and FP+ can coexist.

Fun idea btw.

One assumption would be that everybody with FP+ would get space mountain if they want it. What if only 7000 (arbitrary number) are available for FP+ and others are directed towards some other fine attractions like little mermaid.

 

[Cinderumbrella]

If the 2 are to run simultaneously for awhile, then the logical answer (to me at least ) would be to allot 50% to FP+ reservations and leave the remaining 50% to the regular system. And obviously, the headliners are going to run out of FPs much sooner in the day than they do now if they are only offering 1/2 the amount...

 

[mbrittb00]

Fun idea btw.

One assumption would be that everybody with FP+ would get space mountain if they want it. What if only 7000 (arbitrary number) are available for FP+ and others are directed towards some other fine attractions like little mermaid.

I suppose that is true, but you would have to keep the options for the E-ticket relativelly large. Let's take the recent test at DHS. The E-ticket option only had three option (TSMM, RnR, ToT). If they only had 7k TSMM FP+ avaliable, you could be forcing some people to select RnR or ToT that have no desire, intention, or ability to ride them. Of course this was a trial, so the options on the real thing might be drastically different.

 

[bcrook]

I suppose that is true, but you would have to keep the options for the E-ticket relativelly large. Let's take the recent test at DHS. The E-ticket option only had three option (TSMM, RnR, ToT). If they only had 7k TSMM FP+ avaliable, you could be forcing some people to select RnR or ToT that have no desire, intention, or ability to ride them. Of course this was a trial, so the options on the real thing might be drastically different.

It would make people irritable if they couldn't book space mountain using FP+ and then arrived at the park and saw fastpass available to others. That could get ugly.

 

[mom2rtk]

It would make people irritable if they couldn't book space mountain using FP+ and then arrived at the park and saw fastpass available to others. That could get ugly.

You mean after they paid inflated resort prices to access this benefit, only to find out the FP+ slots online were already gone?

 

[PrincessArlena'sDad]

You mean after they paid inflated resort prices to access this benefit, only to find out the FP+ slots online were already gone?

We know you can change paper ticket to RFID to use FP+

Wonder if they'll let you change RFID tickets to paper to use regular FP (RFP?)

 

[mbrittb00]

We know you can change paper ticket to RFID to use FP+

Wonder if they'll let you change RFID tickets to paper to use regular FP (RFP?)

My guess. . . Nope.

P.S. another thread I've been watching has started calling it FP-.