First grader suspended for

OMG! I can't believe the overreaction here.

I have a daughter. If at 6 years old a kid was wiggling his butt in her face and singing a very popular song about being sexy and knowing it, I'd probably laugh and tell her to ignore him, then we'd all get on with life. I wouldn't be stomping up to the school crying about my daughter's "rights" being infringed upon. That would not only embarrass myself, but my child. And I wouldn't want to see a little kid get suspended over something so insignifcant.

I very rarely get involved in my kids' conflicts. I think it is very important they learn to handle these things on their own. If kids can't handle small irritations like this how are they going to handle it when something real, and bad, happens? They won't be even remotely equipt.

Obviously, the child needed to be corrected and disciplined but the punishment here does not fit the crime. This is not suspension worthy. You suspend a kid for fighting, not for being a classroom irritation.

A little melodramatic don't you think? Nobody here is talking about marching into the school, we are just supporting the school's decision to discipline bad behavior. More schools should :thumbsup2
And yes obviously the child needed to be disciplined and maybe you don't suspend a kid for being a classroom irritation, but since you aren't running the school you don't get to make the decision whether or not they do. Obviously they do, and again, good for them, more schools should follow suit :thumbsup2

Sorry, it's called learning to follow the rules. She states herself that he's had other disciplinary problems.

The first time he does it, warning, no problem. He keeps targeting my kid, starts shaking his *** in her face, problem.

Amen.
 
No, but I'm not going to assume they exist when they haven't been mentioned by anyone except on this thread.


But yet it is ok to assume the suspension was related only to these two incidents??

We'll never know for sure because the school isn't allowed to say.
 
OMG! I can't believe the overreaction here.

I have a daughter. If at 6 years old a kid was wiggling his butt in her face and singing a very popular song about being sexy and knowing it, I'd probably laugh and tell her to ignore him, then we'd all get on with life. I wouldn't be stomping up to the school crying about my daughter's "rights" being infringed upon. That would not only embarrass myself, but my child. And I wouldn't want to see a little kid get suspended over something so insignifcant.

I very rarely get involved in my kids' conflicts. I think it is very important they learn to handle these things on their own. If kids can't handle small irritations like this how are they going to handle it when something real, and bad, happens? They won't be even remotely equipt.

Obviously, the child needed to be corrected and disciplined but the punishment here does not fit the crime. This is not suspension worthy. You suspend a kid for fighting, not for being a classroom irritation.


Where does it say the girl or her parents went stomping to the school crying about their rights? Could it be that you are jumping to conclusions?
 
Bullies need to taken out, this IS standing up for yourself. do you really think you can talk your way out of being bullied. LOL. I have told my kids the exact same thing. If most people believed this way, then the world would probably have almost no bullying. some kids aren't capable of standing up for themselves, but mostly parents and schools prohibit a child from doing this. My kids have been told that if they err get suspended for taking up for themselves, that they will actually be rewarded at home for their actions. If they err start anything, they school will have to wait their turn for punishment and there probably won't be much left, but for defending, that equals a reward. JOB WELL DONE.

Teaching your children that violence is the answer is the easy way out.
 

Teaching your children that violence is the answer is the easy way out.

Nice answer that provides no solution. Until these kids leaner to take up for themselves there will be bullying. It isn't violent to take up for yourself, it is called self defense. FWIW. my kids are 15, 13, and 11 and none of them have ever gotten into a fight, but they know that when push comes to shove, they had better defend themselves and not be a pansy like so many people and the schools seem to want to turn kids into. So just how lang and how many times would you want your child to bet beat up and picked on and how many times must the bully be talked to and or punished before you suggest that your child give the bully a "taking out". I guarantee you that a kid that has been taken out, won't be messing with your kid again, the one who has talked to and had his little wrist slapped with be beating the crap out of your kid again.
 
Nice answer that provides no solution. Until these kids leaner to take up for themselves there will be bullying. It isn't violent to take up for yourself, it is called self defense. FWIW. my kids are 15, 13, and 11 and none of them have ever gotten into a fight, but they know that when push comes to shove, they had better defend themselves and not be a pansy like so many people and the schools seem to want to turn kids into.


I agree with you about defending yourself; however, the phrase "bullies need to be taken out" doesn't imply self defense but rather the aggressor. I also don;t think trying to use non-violent means of dealing with a bully doesn't make a kid a pansy.
 
I agree with you about defending yourself; however, the phrase "bullies need to be taken out" doesn't imply self defense but rather the aggressor. I also don;t think trying to use non-violent means of dealing with a bully doesn't make a kid a pansy.

It does if it is the only thing they use. I am all for trying to stop the bullying by using words or the appropriate actions. But for the most part that doesn't work. They don't care about authority. They aren't going to listen to a teacher or principal, especially in the older years. When that fails, a good swift punch in the face and of gut will usually work. That is my idea of taking them out. When you disable them they are taken out.
 
Teaching your children that violence is the answer is the easy way out.

Sometimes it is. You can't always walk away, talk it through, or tell someone.

But, on another note, I find some inconsistencies with a lot of posters on the Dis.(not you) People call for discipline for other's kids, but seldomly dish it out to their own. I also see that girls get a pass more than boys. Even those that call for discipline do so in the name of keeping their child in the snowflake category. (My kids rights, etc....)
 
Where does it say the girl or her parents went stomping to the school crying about their rights? Could it be that you are jumping to conclusions?

I was referring to the people here on this thread who said that's what they'd do.
 
I was referring to the people here on this thread who said that's what they'd do.

I'm not sure about the stomping part, but going to the school and talking with the principal? yup.

I'd only start bringing up "rights" if a plain old conversation about how some little kid purposely targeting and annoying my child needs to STOP didn't work.
 
Again, this is not just about a song.

The child is a known discipline problem. His mom admits that this is not the first time he has been suspended. He was suspended earlier this year.

Working in a school, it has to be pretty awful behavior for a kindergartner to be suspended, let alone twice.

Here is the school's statement. Notice they say it is not just for singing the song:

Aurora Public Schools is committed to trust, teamwork and transparency. Achieving this is a continual process. We would like thank our parents, community members and others who shared their viewpoints with us.

Because of our commitment to keep student matters private, which is a legal and ethical obligation, we cannot discuss this case specifically.

Aurora Public Schools wants to assure students, parents and community members that a student would not be suspended for merely singing a song. If actions warrant, we would consider suspending a student to emphasize the seriousness of the actions and to prevent further inappropriate behavior toward another student.

We want to clarify that our discipline procedures allow principals the discretion to work with families and possibly change the reason for a suspension while continuing to address the disruptive behavior.

If a student faces disciplinary action, our priority and goal is to meet with parents and guardians to collaborate with them on solutions that will support their child’s success and promote a safe learning environment for all students.
 
Here is the latest local report:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31020676/detail.html

This is my favorite part. She says he has been suspended before, yet then she excuses him by saying "kids will be kids.:

She also said her son was suspended earlier in the year for disruptive behavior, not sexual harassment.

“I think it’s kind of overwhelming. You know, sexual harassment on a 6-year-old?" Meadows said. "I don’t understand. You know, kids are kids."


The only side you are hearing is the mother's side because the school cannot comment. And she thinks being suspended twice in one year is "kids will be kids."

There is way more to this than just singing a song and shaking a booty.
 
Here is the latest local report:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31020676/detail.html

This is my favorite part. She says he has been suspended before, yet then she excuses him by saying "kids will be kids.:

She also said her son was suspended earlier in the year for disruptive behavior, not sexual harassment.

“I think it’s kind of overwhelming. You know, sexual harassment on a 6-year-old?" Meadows said. "I don’t understand. You know, kids are kids."


The only side you are hearing is the mother's side because the school cannot comment. And she thinks being suspended twice in one year is "kids will be kids."

There is way more to this than just singing a song and shaking a booty.

Ah yes, the old "kids will be kids" defense. Exclusively used by those who can't be bothered to try to have well behaved children. The battle cry of lazy parents everywhere. The more the mother talks the more I become convinced that the school is doing the right thing. The child clearly has behavioral issues. I notice that the mother keeps using the term "sexual harassment" and I suspect that's because she knows it will get a strong reaction from the public: It's ridiculous for a child that young to be accused of sexual harassment, after all he doesn't even understand it. He doesn't understand the song, and he heard it on a commercial. He was just being a kid. It's normal. The girl and her parents are overreacting and being ridiculous. :rolleyes2

Of course I haven't heard anyone else say it was sexual harassment. The fact is, sexual or not, the kid was pestering the girl and didn't stop when he was told to. I'm glad the school acted to stop it instead of expecting the girl to just ignore it. A child that young shouldn't be expected to deal with that kind of thing by herself. It's the school's job to help the students with issues like this.

As an aside, while I do think it's extremely important to teach children to ignore people who pick on them or to stand up for themselves when necessary, I think it's a terrible idea to teach a child to resort to physical violence to defend themselves unless they are actually being beaten up. In most schools, the child who takes a verbal situation and makes it physical is going to get into even more trouble than the instigator will regardless of how much bullying might have gone on before it got to that point. Even if a child is physically defending himself from being beaten up, unless there's a clear history of the child going to the teacher or principal for help leading up to the situation, the child is likely to be viewed as an equal participant in the fight.
 
Here is the latest local report:
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/31020676/detail.html

This is my favorite part. She says he has been suspended before, yet then she excuses him by saying "kids will be kids.:

She also said her son was suspended earlier in the year for disruptive behavior, not sexual harassment.

“I think it’s kind of overwhelming. You know, sexual harassment on a 6-year-old?" Meadows said. "I don’t understand. You know, kids are kids."


The only side you are hearing is the mother's side because the school cannot comment. And she thinks being suspended twice in one year is "kids will be kids."

There is way more to this than just singing a song and shaking a booty.

Yep..just confirms that the parents are the issue here. Why should the kid listen to the school when they tell him no because his parents pat him on the head and say "oh kids will be kids". That is lazy and not being a parent at all.

I agree it tends to be some pretty serious business fora Kinder aged kid to be suspended..and to be suspended twice?? Wow.
 
Ah yes, the old "kids will be kids" defense. Exclusively used by those who can't be bothered to try to have well behaved children. The battle cry of lazy parents everywhere. The more the mother talks the more I become convinced that the school is doing the right thing. The child clearly has behavioral issues. I notice that the mother keeps using the term "sexual harassment" and I suspect that's because she knows it will get a strong reaction from the public: It's ridiculous for a child that young to be accused of sexual harassment, after all he doesn't even understand it. He doesn't understand the song, and he heard it on a commercial. He was just being a kid. It's normal. The girl and her parents are overreacting and being ridiculous. :rolleyes2

Of course I haven't heard anyone else say it was sexual harassment. The fact is, sexual or not, the kid was pestering the girl and didn't stop when he was told to. I'm glad the school acted to stop it instead of expecting the girl to just ignore it. A child that young shouldn't be expected to deal with that kind of thing by herself. It's the school's job to help the students with issues like this.

As an aside, while I do think it's extremely important to teach children to ignore people who pick on them or to stand up for themselves when necessary, I think it's a terrible idea to teach a child to resort to physical violence to defend themselves unless they are actually being beaten up. In most schools, the child who takes a verbal situation and makes it physical is going to get into even more trouble than the instigator will regardless of how much bullying might have gone on before it got to that point. Even if a child is physically defending himself from being beaten up, unless there's a clear history of the child going to the teacher or principal for help leading up to the situation, the child is likely to be viewed as an equal participant in the fight.

Well said..I especially agree with the bold. No child should have to be harassed and when another child is told to leave a kid alone they should be left alone. This kid was told, yet continued to target this one girl and bother her. That is the issue more than what song he sang..it is the fact that he was targeting a particular child and doing things to annoy/upset/harass/torment/embarrass her.
 
Well said..I especially agree with the bold. No child should have to be harassed and when another child is told to leave a kid alone they should be left alone. This kid was told, yet continued to target this one girl and bother her. That is the issue more than what song he sang..it is the fact that he was targeting a particular child and doing things to annoy/upset/harass/torment/embarrass her.

You also have to realize that this is Colorado, home of Columbine. And here in Colorado, bullying is not taken lightly, even by a kindergartner.

Well, off to my first graders :)
 
The boy sang a song in the cafeteria, no? Not really a huge deal in my book. The tush shaking was on a previous day, and not outlandish behavior for a young child. Not nice, annoying to be sure, but not going to cause harm.

I'm surprised a 6 year old would be suspended for singing in the cafeteria, even if he had been told not to sing previously. I can see suspension for hitting, but not for singing. The punishment was pretty major for a minor infraction. I would hardly consider singing to be harassment. It didn't even happen in the classroom causing disruption to a lesson.

I haven't read anything that indicates the suspended boy called the girl bad names, or names at all. Just that he sang a song, twice.

I agree. It could of been addressed. Labeling it a sexual harassment is over the top. My 6yo sons former hip hop class is doing that song for their dance recital next month. (He is no longer in it because we moved)
 
I agree. It could of been addressed. Labeling it a sexual harassment is over the top. My 6yo sons former hip hop class is doing that song for their dance recital next month. (He is no longer in it because we moved)


The one source that could be said labelled this as sexual harrassment is the mother.
 
I agree. It could of been addressed. Labeling it a sexual harassment is over the top. My 6yo sons former hip hop class is doing that song for their dance recital next month. (He is no longer in it because we moved)

The school did not label it sexual harrassment, that is what the mother is saying.


Am I understanding that a 6 year old hip hop class is dancing to a song named "I'm sexy and I know it?"
As my Generation Xer dh likes to point out, this upcoming generation should be labeled "generation trash". I'm not a prude, but there is no reason a 6 year old needs to be advertising that they are "sexy" or advertising that they have passion in their pants (a line from the song)
 

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