First grader suspended for

[luvmy3]

I am sorry but calling the next gen.. "generation trash" is pretty much all negative if you ask me.. and that is when I jumped in to the conversation.

And I know you can do both.. but you also have to raise children who are aware and can function in society... so you pick your battles... it also depends on what age your children are and where you live.

If you don't see the trash that the next generation is being exposed to because we as a society have made it acceptable, as negative, then clearly you are the one with the rose colored glasses on. I'd rather live in reality and prepare my kids for life when they have to grow up in it, than pretend its not happening.

 

[akhenaten]

Okay, I know I said I was out, but I have to address this since you are telling me I am part of the "problem". You just said:

"As parents, we should most definitely worry about what our kids are listening to and taking into their minds."

I COMPLETELY agree with that statement. YOU worry about YOUR kids, and I'LL worry about MINE. No one else needs to be concerned about what my kids listen to. They are my kids. I would never dream of telling someone else how to raise their kids. That's just wrong.

Amen... and don't call our kids part of Generation Trash... thank you very much...

(smitch... I was thinking smitch is so smart to walk away.. I should too. I most likely will soon ...LOL )

 

[akhenaten]

If you don't see the trash that the next generation is being exposed to because we as a society have made it acceptable, as negative, then clearly you are the one with the rose colored glasses on. I'd rather live in reality and prepare my kids for life when they have to grow up in it, than pretend its not happening.

There is a HUGE difference in saying they see trash and CALLING them Generation Trash......

I certainly try and limit the garbage my kids see... but I also do not shelter them from LMFAO songs and I do not consider them or myself bad because they know that song...

That is really ironic because I feel that knowing this silly song is one of the most innocent examples of "reality " that I am willing to expose my dd to...
(not the video... that is too much... ... but she does go to public school and guess what other kids in her class have smart phones... so she may have seen it already)
Have you seen Happy Tree Friends... it is a violent stupid cartoon.. and yes a friend introduced her to it in school. But I told her why I did not like it and that I did not want her watching it... that is all I can do...
(ETA she is not 6 .. she is 10)

 

[luvmy3]

There is a HUGE difference in saying they see trash and CALLING them Generation Trash......

I've repeatedly made clear what was meant by that label, so either you missed it in all the posts you claimed you read, or you just didn't understand it. Either way. I'm out, its just too exhausting.

No what is sad that our generation of parents thinks 6 year olds performing to songs like "I'm sexy and I know it" is cute and accept it. What is sad is that we allow that trash, hence the label.

I think its trashy for any kid to be performing a routine to it, whether or not the lyrics have been edited out or not.

These kids are growing up in a time when trashiness is labeled cute and accepted. Its pretty disgusting if you ask me.

And FTR, I never labeled any child "trash", I was speaking in terms of what they are doing, what they are exposed to, what we have accepted as far as their behavior.

 

[declansdad]

Okay, I know I said I was out, but I have to address this since you are telling me I am part of the "problem". You just said:

"As parents, we should most definitely worry about what our kids are listening to and taking into their minds."

I COMPLETELY agree with that statement. YOU worry about YOUR kids, and I'LL worry about MINE. No one else needs to be concerned about what my kids listen to. They are my kids. I would never dream of telling someone else how to raise their kids. That's just wrong.

Well said!!

 

[declansdad]

If you don't see the trash that the next generation is being exposed to because we as a society have made it acceptable, as negative then clearly you are the one with the rose colored glasses on. I'd rather live in reality and prepare my kids for life when they have to grow up in it, than pretend its not happening.

People said the same thing in the 60s with Elvis and the Beatles.

 

[akhenaten]

I've repeatedly made clear what was meant by that label, so either you missed it in all the posts you claimed you read, or you just didn't understand it. Either way. I'm out, its just too exhausting.

And I am exhausted by trying to explain to you that you do not define a generation like that... and to label an entire generation is absurd...

Could you explain which you actually do... shelter and protect your children of expose them to reality... because I believe you have stated both at different times...

 

[luvmy3]

People said the same thing in the 60s with Elvis and the Beatles.

okay another poster bringing up the past

And I am exhausted by trying to explain to you that you do not define a generation like that... and to label an entire generation is absurd...

Could you explain which you actually do... shelter and protect your children of expose them to reality... because I believe you have stated both at different times...

You do realize there is a label out there for pretty much every generation, right? I'm not here advocating "Generation Trash" should be the official label, but to say you don't label an entire generation........to label an entire generation is absurd is just showing ignorance to a practice that has been going on for, well, generations. You are right I don't label them, but someone sure does. This current generation is labeled as the Millennials. I am a Generation Xer, my father is a Baby Boomer.........

And as far as my children, I never claimed either of those things in any of my posts.

 

[kt_mom]

Clearly, people see this whole situation differently. All of this back and forth nonsense is getting no one anywhere. I am just going to bow out now with a final statement...

Teach your kids what is appropriate and what is not. Listening to this song doesn't make you a bad parent or a bad kid. This song (and others like it) are not what society needs to be concerned about, or at least it is nowhere near the top of the list of concerns. Starving children, bankrupt families, and the future of the education system are far more important and should be the focus of all parents of today's youth, not what's playing on the radio. If you don't like the song, then don't let your kids listen to it, but you have absolutely no right to pass judgement on anyone who listens to it or their children. Period. I'm out.

Okay, I know I said I was out, but I have to address this since you are telling me I am part of the "problem". You just said:

"As parents, we should most definitely worry about what our kids are listening to and taking into their minds."

I COMPLETELY agree with that statement. YOU worry about YOUR kids, and I'LL worry about MINE. No one else needs to be concerned about what my kids listen to. They are my kids. I would never dream of telling someone else how to raise their kids. That's just wrong.

But you just said this song is not what parents or society should be worried about. So you are telling me how to raise my kids. Or at least as far as this song and others like it.

And I'm sorry, I'll clarify, I do not think you personally are the problem. But rather the whole thought process that there are bigger things to worry about and we shouldn't focus on such insignificant things as what our kids listen to.

Sometimes its hard to get away from the garbage. When major candy companies use stuff like this to promote their candy it says someting about our society as a whole.

 

[declansdad]

okay another poster bringing up the past

The reason for my comment was that every generation says what you said about the next. To my knowledge being exposed to pop culture hasn't destroyed anything yet but the "old" folks keep saying it about the "youngins".

 

[declansdad]

Sometimes its hard to get away from the garbage. When major candy companies use stuff like this to promote their candy it says someting about our society as a whole.

Yes it says that it is a catchy, popular song that the demographic the ad is targeted at enjoys.

 

[kt_mom]

The reason for my comment was that every generation says what you said about the next. To my knowledge being exposed to pop culture hasn't destroyed anything yet but the "old" folks keep saying it about the "youngins".

Really? You can't see the decline in our society as a whole as each generation lets something just a little bit worse become acceptable?

 

[kt_mom]

Yes it says that it is a catchy, popular song that the demographic the ad is targeted at enjoys.

And what demographic would they be targeting with their cartoon like characters?

 

[smitch425]

But you just said this song is not what parents or society should be worried about. So you are telling me how to raise my kids. Or at least as far as this song and others like it.

And I'm sorry, I'll clarify, I do not think you personally are the problem. But rather the whole thought process that there are bigger things to worry about and we shouldn't focus on such insignificant things as what our kids listen to.

Sometimes its hard to get away from the garbage. When major candy companies use stuff like this to promote their candy it says someting about our society as a whole.

Yes, I said it is not "society's" concern what my kids listen to. Just like it is not "society's" concern what you do with your kids. I didn't tell you what to do with your kids. I could care less about what your kids listen to or do. It is none of my business. We as a "society" need to be focused on national and global issues, we as individuals need to be concerned with how we raise our own kids.

ETA: I never said "parents" should or shouldn't be concerned, I said "society". Please do not tell people I said something when I did not.

 

[declansdad]

Really? You can't see the decline in our society as a whole as each generation lets something just a little bit worse become acceptable?

No I see a society that evolves.

What is acceptable changes with each generation, that doesn't mean one is right and one is wrong. If things that people said were unacceptable 100 years ago didn't become acceptable, you and I wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

[declansdad]

And what demographic would they be targeting with their cartoon like characters?

Ask them, I don't work in their marketing department.

 

[luvmy3]

No I see a society that evolves.

What is acceptable changes with each generation, that doesn't mean one is right and one is wrong. If things that people said were unacceptable 100 years ago didn't become acceptable, you and I wouldn't be having this conversation.

I guess I don't see where we as a society accepting kids as young as 6 performing on stage to a song "I'm Sexy and I Know it" to an audience as evolving. I consider that de-evolving. YMMV.

ETA even though its been said, I'll say it again. It goes way beyond music, I'm just using this particular example because it was mentioned in this thread.

 

[kt_mom]

I guess I don't see where we as a society accepting kids as young as 6 performing on stage to a song "I'm Sexy and I Know it" to an audience as evolving. I consider that de-evolving. YMMV.

ETA even though its been said, I'll say it again. It goes way beyond music, I'm just using this particular example because it was mentioned in this thread.

I agree

I hate to see what we will "evolve" to next.

I don't think kids being exposed to some of this stuff was okay 20 years ago and I don't think the passage of time makes it any more acceptable now.

 

[akhenaten]

The reason for my comment was that every generation says what you said about the next. To my knowledge being exposed to pop culture hasn't destroyed anything yet but the "old" folks keep saying it about the "youngins".

very true and shame on you for bringing up the past..LOL

The short dresses of the flappers were horrifying.. but I would bet the women writing here have all worn as short if not shorter...

 

[badblackpug]

I don't know why I'm weighing in here, I must be a masochist, but.....

In reference to the OP, yes, the boy deserved to be punished. He was told by the school not to sing that song, and he did. He deliberately broke a school rule, and the requires consequences. However, I don't think the punishment fit the crime. I think the suspension was overkill. The child wasn't doing anything sinister, he was doing what 6 year old boys have done for eons, and will continue to do for eons more, he was annoying a 6 year old girl. He knew the song bothered her, so he sang it. It's the modern day dipping pigtails in the inkwell.

I have a lot of kids, and believe me, they have done worse than shake their fanny and sing to annoy their siblings. Had that been my daughter and she complained I would have told her, "So what? If that boy wants to make a fool out of himself let him. Walk away, the more attention you pay to it and the more he knows it annoys you, the more he will do it." I just don't see it as that big of a deal.

Now onto the rest. Everyone has to raise their children in the method that they see fit. It doesn't make one parent superior or inferior to another and it doesn't mean that one parent's child will turn out better than another. Good and bad have evolved from both overly protective and overly permissive homes. I am not one to censor language much around my kids. Naturally, I try to keep things age appropriate, but if my kids do see or hear something that is not appropriate for them I tell them that they cannot do/say whatever it is and why. So, yes I will tell my 3 year old that "sh!t" is a word that only grown-ups can use (and daddy is a grown-up ) and that they will be in trouble if they use it, but I certainly wouldn't go around telling other parents that they are better or worse parents than I, or that their children will be better or worse people than mine because they feel differently.

My example is this: my friend's daughter is very into cheer leading and has been since elementary school. Her daughter encouraged my daughter to try it and my daughter was interested. We went to one of their competitions. I felt that the outfits were too skimpy, and that the routines were too adult for elementary children. This was my own feelings based on my own beliefs and the personality of my own daughter. I told my friend that we didn't think it was for us. That's it. No judgment on her letting her daughter do it. What was right for her kid wasn't for mine. Her kid still cheers, mine never did. They are equally as well behaved and both get good grades. They have different interests and personalities, but one is not better than the other.

Every generation that comes along bemoans the differences in the younger generation. That has also been happening since the beginning of time. Some things are progress, some things are just change. Yes, my kids hear more overtly naughty language, but on the flip side my daughters are allowed to get an education. My kids see more violence on TV, but my kids can sit anywhere on the bus they want. My kids clothes aren't as modest as the 1800s, but my kids will never work in a mine or sweatshop.

Life is all about ebb and flow and give and take.

...and now for an old school reference: "You take the good, you take the bad, you take them both and there you have the facts of life."