Finally figured out my disappointment with FP+

[mom2rtk]

And those who do not fully leverage the fast pass system are foolish, IMO. But that is what makes the world great. We can each have our own opinion.

So now someone without the funds to buy two sets of tickets is foolish?

Nice.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

So now someone without the funds to buy two sets of tickets is foolish?

Nice.

Jealous much?

 

[mom2rtk]

Jealous much?

LOL, no. Although it seems you think everyone should be.

I'm too cheap to lay the money out for 2 sets of tickets to accomplish what I used to do for the price of one set. I won't do it based on principle alone. Even if both boys were out of college and I had buckets of money just sitting around the house again a la Scrooge McDuck.

What I do have an issue with is you telling everyone else they are doing it wrong and are "foolish" for not doing so themselves.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

What I do have an issue with is you telling everyone else they are doing it wrong and are "foolish" for not doing so themselves.

No, I did not say that were wrong or foolish for not doing what I am doing. Go back and read the post. I said that they were foolish if they were not leveraging the system. There are many ways to do so. The one that I have discussed in this thread is only one.

BTW, I also felt that those who chose not to use the FP- system were foolish, and I thought that those who held themselves to FP- return times when Disney did not were foolish.

You leverage the system available without breaking Disney rules.

 

[rapunzels]

...... all I can say and do.......
This is better than the threads about reusing the refillable cups on multiple trips debate...

 

[disnut1149]

Well, I don't have to run around with the kids or worse run around alone grabbing Fastpasses often crisscrossing the parks wasting my time.

I can choose times in advance that work better for our schedule instead of working our day around whatever FP time is being given when we get there. And if something happens and the time or ride no longer works for us I hop on my phone and choose something else instead of just wasting it.


I also know in advance I will be able to ride things like TSM, Soarin or Test Track even if we go to the park later in the day. We've missed all of these rides in the past because of FP being gone early and waits being too excessive.

Seems like more to me. Of course I never loved the old system.

I loved the old system. Used at least 6 FPs a day. We didn't crisscross the park.
We would do as much as we could in one section and then use our FP. You just had to know how to use them. Also, it sounds like now you'll be wasting a lot of park time standing in long lines. We never had to wait in lines with legacy FP. It was great. I waited in lines before the days of FP- and it wasn't fun.

 

[Planogirl]

I loved the old system. Used at least 6 FPs a day. We didn't crisscross the park.
We would do as much as we could in one section and then use our FP. You just had to know how to use them. Also, it sounds like now you'll be wasting a lot of park time standing in long lines. We never had to wait in lines with legacy FP. It was great. I waited in lines before the days of FP- and it wasn't fun.

I've tried to explain this many times but those who tour differently often don't get it. I've also noted that I'm apparently foolish because we used our fastpasses during our return windows. That always worked out better for the way we toured so if I was foolish I was at least happy.

 

[morethananyonex]

And those who do not fully leverage the fast pass system are foolish, IMO. But that is what makes the world great. We can each have our own opinion.

By your logic, you're not fully leveraging the system either. There's no limit on the amount of extra tickets to buy, so shouldn't you be considering yourself foolish for not buying 3 tickets per person instead of 2?

IMO the system is what exists with an admission purchase, not 2, 3 or 15, because according to that logic there is no max to the system as you can purchase as many tickets as you'd like.

 

[magicbob]

By your logic, you're not fully leveraging the system either. There's no limit on the amount of extra tickets to buy, so shouldn't you be considering yourself foolish for not buying 3 tickets per person instead of 2?

IMO the system is what exists with an admission purchase, not 2, 3 or 15, because according to that logic there is no max to the system as you can purchase as many tickets as you'd like.

Hmmm... maybe I'll buy 10 sets of tickets and book 30 FP+ per day. That would be uber-planner heaven! Having a reservation time for every ride. Every second of the day mapped out at 60 days in advance!

 

[mom2mickeyfan]

Hmmm... maybe I'll buy 10 sets of tickets and book 30 FP+ per day. That would be uber-planner heaven! Having a reservation time for every ride. Every second of the day mapped out at 60 days in advance!

You could repeat rides too. Wonder how many times you would have to walk by the same group in a 90 to 120 minute SB line using a FP before someone says something to you??

 

[magicbob]

You could repeat rides too. Wonder how many times you would have to walk by the same group in a 90 to 120 minute SB line using a FP before someone says something to you??

Too bad! They are just foolish for not leveraging the system.

Of course, once Disney closes this loophole (which I believe will be SOON), I'll at least have the comfort of knowing that the price of admission for my WDW trips are pre-paid for decades to come (not to mention locked in at today's prices). There may actually be something to this plan after all.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

By your logic, you're not fully leveraging the system either. There's no limit on the amount of extra tickets to buy, so shouldn't you be considering yourself foolish for not buying 3 tickets per person instead of 2?

IMO the system is what exists with an admission purchase, not 2, 3 or 15, because according to that logic there is no max to the system as you can purchase as many tickets as you'd like.

Yeah, I have two other tickets that I own from my January trip that I could use for 6 more FP+ each day, but I wouldn't use them, so I don't see the point. But you are correct - I am not leveraging the system "fully", so I fail by my own measure in that statement.

 

[morethananyonex]

Yeah, I have two other tickets that I own from my January trip that I could use for 6 more FP+ each day, but I wouldn't use them, so I don't see the point. But you are correct - I am not leveraging the system "fully", so I fail by my own measure in that statement.

I guess it just seemed like a weird way to word it. If multiple tickets works for you, great, go for it. I just don't consider it part of the system.

I mean, I think most of us would agree that FP- was fully leveraged when you got a FP almost immediately when you could, used the disconnected FP, got for the most popular rides, used morning ones later when you could, etc. It was all what you could do on one admission, even though you could have technically doubled that with two.

Buying multiple tickets isn't maxing the system, it's working around it. I'm not gonna get all judgey about it, but it's certainly not foolish to use the system to the max as it's intended (one admission per person) but not spend extra money to work around it.

 

[BuckeyeBama]

I guess it just seemed like a weird way to word it. If multiple tickets works for you, great, go for it. I just don't consider it part of the system.

I mean, I think most of us would agree that FP- was fully leveraged when you got a FP almost immediately when you could, used the disconnected FP, got for the most popular rides, used morning ones later when you could, etc. It was all what you could do on one admission, even though you could have technically doubled that with two.

Buying multiple tickets isn't maxing the system, it's working around it. I'm not gonna get all judgey about it, but it's certainly not foolish to use the system to the max as it's intended (one admission per person) but not spend extra money to work around it.

There were plenty of people who thought that I was "cheating" the system when I was saving up my FP-, failing to return during the time window printed on each FP. Maybe I was, but Disney allowed it, so I did it because it worked so much better for me, and I could grab more FPs that way - AND DISNEY ALLOWED IT.

I feel the same way about this. Maybe it is not what Disney intended, but they know about it and have not stated anywhere that it is against their rules, so I am going to do it until I am no longer allowed.

But, to be clear, if Disney ever expressly states that this is not allowed, I will stop. I am not a "rule breaker" at heart. I would feel guilty about it, and that would diminish my happiness while in WDW.

 

[morethananyonex]

There were plenty of people who thought that I was "cheating" the system when I was saving up my FP-, failing to return during the time window printed on each FP. Maybe I was, but Disney allowed it, so I did it because it worked so much better for me, and I could grab more FPs that way - AND DISNEY ALLOWED IT. I feel the same way about this. Maybe it is not what Disney intended, but they know about it and have not stated anywhere that it is against their rules, so I am going to do it until I am no longer allowed. But, to be clear, if Disney ever expressly states that this is not allowed, I will stop. I am not a "rule breaker" at heart. I would feel guilty about it, and that would diminish my happiness while in WDW.

I didn't disagree with you that it's not really against their rules at this point. I do think this is a loophole that will be closed soon simply because you're using the tickets for FP+ but not using them up, so Disney is losing out.

I'm just saying I and I think many others consider the system as what you get with an admission ticket, therefore calling people foolish for not buying multiple tickets to maximize the system is strange, as going by your logic there really isn't a way to fully maximize or leverage it, making us all fools. But hey, maybe then we'd finally all be what Disney thinks we are anyways .

 

[BuckeyeBama]

...But hey, maybe then we'd finally all be what Disney thinks we are anyways .

 

[Mkrop]

I think the new system is set up so everyone will get a chance to ride a ride at least once and not stand in line forever.

But this is inaccurate...there is only so much FP capacity to give out so someone is still going to lose out. The first come first serve method just moved from that park day to the vitural line at home at T60. If someone cant for whatever reason log on at T60 then they will have less chance for the rides they want esp if they are the high demand rides like TSMM or Soarin.

 

[suzanna1066@comcast.]

I have seen several threads that state "Disney isn't allowing multiple rides on headliners". That simply isn't true. You can ride as often as you want as long as you go standby. We rode Everest 4 times in a row 2 days ago. 3 standby, one FP.

 

[morethananyonex]

I have seen several threads that state "Disney isn't allowing multiple rides on headliners". That simply isn't true. You can ride as often as you want as long as you go standby. We rode Everest 4 times in a row 2 days ago. 3 standby, one FP.

I've seen even more people claim that they couldn't ride TSMM in the past. That simply isn't true. They could have rode as often as they wanted as long as they went standby.

I've seen multiple people claim they can now walk into a park in the mid afternoon and ride major rides, but they couldn't in the past. That simply isn't true. They could have entered a park whenever they wanted and rode as often as they wanted as long as they went standby.

It was never a solution for those people, and those are two of the biggest pluses of FP+ according to many, so why should long standby waits be a good solution now?

 

[Disneylover99]

"Disney isn't allowing multiple rides on headliners".

using FP+.

That's what many people don't like.