Fear of flying ....new treatment for me

Vicki1971

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:scared: Hi

1st of all I must say I LOVE :love: WDW. If I didn't I wouldn't be putting myself through the fear of flying again. :eek:

Having read some other articles on different threads I went off to the Doctors. I explained exactly what happened last year, the panic attacks etc.. I must have seen the most uninterested doctor in the UK.

He has given me some medication, which I will not know if it works until I'm on the plane this Saturday. I did have Xanxa recommended but he'd have none of that.

So, I've got a mixture of beta blockers (never had this before) and a very low diazepam doseage. It hasn't actually left me feeling any less stressed about the flying. Looking at the tablets I don't know if it will have any effect.

The last thing I want is to be crying and wigging out on the plane...again. :scared1:

I've never enjoyed flying, though from a recent brain trauma this project has been made so much worse. And yes I have tried many other treatments over the past year to combat my fear

If anyone is on the afternoon Virgin flight from Manchester to orlando on the 7th of April and there's a "pooh" shaped woman crying - it's only me :sad2:

I will be trying the fear of flying audio on the flight - it's the first thing I have planned.

Am focusing on the end of the journey hoping I can get through. My worst nightmare would be to be too scared to ever make the trip again.

How bad is the turbulance from Manchester to Orlando?
 
:wizard: :wizard: Good Luck for Saturday Vicki, and I really hope that the medication and flying audio helps:wizard: :wizard:

I am so lucky, as I love the whole airport/flying experience, but my eldest DD isn't a good flyer, she does it to get to WDW, but she doesn't enjoy it

Have a fab holiday, and I look forward to hearing how you conquered your fear - have fun, I've got my fingers crossed for you

Mandy :)
 
Hi Vicki! :wave:

I don't know about the turbulence on that journey but I'll be keeping my fingers crossed the that medication helps. I honestly think you're incredibly brave to confront your fear in this way.

So sending good luck, lots of :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: and loads of pixiedust: pixiedust: pixiedust: your way...

My very best wishes,
Karenxxx
 
I have never signed up to a forum before and I've been using the internet for years.....

all I can say is everyone on this is so supportive and nice - Big thanks to all

Will come back and let you know how it's gone
 

Good luck Vicki, hope it all helps :hug: I have never experienced bad turbulence on the Manchester - Orlando flights :goodvibes
 
Really hope that this works out for you Vicki:wizard:

I'm a really good flyer so therefore can't even imagine how much effort it must take for you to make the trip to Orlando. Hope that everything goes well and that you have a fantastic trip:hug:
 
good luck Vicky and well done for being brave, rest assured you have nothing to fear but fear itself.
:hug:
 
good luck :grouphug: im not a fan of flying either...its a means to an end for me :)
 
Vicki

I used to be terrified of flying. My first two trips to Orlando were spent gripping the armrests for the entire flight and jumping at the slightest sound, movement, or change in engine noise. The homeward flights were even worse - at least on the way out I had the holiday to look forward to and there was lots going on. From the moment the flights were booked I'd be worrying, and my anxiety would build to fever pitch in the weeks leading up to the flight. The day before the flight I'd get the mother of all stomach upsets - the last thing you want on a flight. The time spent in the airport before the flight was torture and I swear I held my breath until the wheels touched down.

Some years ago I attended a one day 'Fear of Flying' course run by Aviatours, a company set up by a serving British Airways Captain of 30 years. The morning was spent learning about every nuance of the aircraft: why it does what it does, how it flies, what all the noises mean; the afternoon was a session on relaxation by a Harley Street psychologist; and then everyone took a one hour flight out of London, down to the the south coast and back up. The Captain and Co-Pilot gave a running commentary during the entire flight and the cabin was overrun with British Airways crew on hand to provide encouragement.

I had also been prescribed Diazepam by my Doctor and, whilst the course helped significantly, I wasn't able to give up that crutch for several more years. What dose have you been prescribed? At first my Doctor gave me 2mg which were absolutely no help whatsoever. I managed to persuade him to prescribe 5mg and, through trial and error, discovered that, rather than take one 24 hours before, one 12 hours before and a third one hour before as directed, they worked better for me if I took two one hour before and another half way through. I used to wait until I'd boarded the plane before taking them, and found that they kicked in big-time for take-off. My Doctor also said that it wouldn't hurt me to drink alcohol with them given the circumstances in which I was taking them - it just amplifies the effect.

Whilst I'll never be cured, I'm probably no worse these days than many people who wouldn't consider they have a fear of flying, and I haven't taken Diazepam for several trips, now. I don't really worry at all beforehand - I just have one or two short-lived wobbly moments during the flight. The course and the medication both helped immeasurably, but familiarity is the key. I know that's not what you'll want to hear, but, on the bright side it's a ready-made excuse for more trips to WDW. :goodvibes

Some things from the course which helped me:

  • After take-off and climbing to around 5,000 feet, the noise abatement laws mean that the pilot must slow down the plane. This will result in a change in engine noise and also a sensation of 'falling' due to messages received by your inner ear. You'll probably experience several other similar episodes until the plane reaches its cruising speed/height.

  • During the descent (which begins a good hour before landing, although you probably won't notice much activity until 20-30 minutes beforehand), the plane must slow down. Again, you will notice changes in engine noise and the fallilng sensation, but you may also experience some shuddering as the speed brakes (flaps on the wings) are applied periodically, and particularly during the final descent. All this is perfectly normal and essential to get the plane safely on the ground. The analogy we were given was that you wouldn't drive your car down your road and onto your drive at 70mph and expect to be able to stop neatly in front of your garage door.

  • Turbulence can't harm the plane. Next time you go out in your car, close your eyes and notice the sensation of riding over bumps. This is exactly the same thing, we just find it hard to comprehend because we can't see the airwaves.

  • Get ready to hit the STOP button on the video you play in your mind. Every time you play the movie - terrorist on board - bomb detonates - plane plummits to earth - everyone dies a horrible death (or whatever your variation is) - tell yourself "STOP!". You might have to do this a lot, but the fact is, it's your imagination which is causing you distress. Nothing else.

  • I assume you've got your relaxation techniques all lined up? Apparently we are physiologically incapble of feeling panic (fight or flight) when we are relaxed. I have intermittent succes with deep-breathing, but something to do with the action has an effect on the diaphram which is supposed to help.

I know from experience that when you're as terrified as you obviously are, it's easier said than done to keep busy. I still find it extremely hard to focus on a film for any length of time and the same goes for books. My advice is to take along things which will keep your mind occupied for short periods of time. Magazines such as Hello and OK, which don't take much brain-power are good, crosswords, even filling in the Customs and Immigration forms. Take your time with the meals - they're always a welcome distraction for me.

Good luck on Saturday - I'll be thinking of you. Just stay focussed on that moment when you'll touch down at MCO. :goodvibes :hug:
 
I would love to take one of those Fear of Flying classes, I think Virgin runs them as well (though I'm American and couldn't sign up for it online when I saw it).

I wish I'd realized I could get Baileys for free on the flight over to the UK last year on Virgin, I did find out on the way back. :) That was a great medication for a few hours through a lot of turbulence!
 
Vicki


I had also been prescribed Diazepam by my Doctor and, whilst the course helped significantly, I wasn't able to give up that crutch for several more years. What dose have you been prescribed?

I've been given 5mg.

You have given me a lot of good advice - I will try the 2 tablets then the thrid half way through the flight. I normally don't drink but I might even have one.

I'm going to keep fighting against this fear - my fear is the turbulance. Once it starts I start crying and it's all downhill from there.

I travel a lot on trains throughout the UK and have tried each time on a trip to close my eyes and place myself on an flight. I'm not going to know if it's worked until I'm on that flight.

I am sooooo :cloud9: looking forward to being in Florida - all of this stress is worth every moment over there. I'm even planning our trip next year.

So, many thanks for everyones kind words. I will make it there and back this year and for many years to come. I'm just not going to think about the flight but the rewards at the end.

WDW here I come.....:banana:
 
Good luck Vicki

Really hope you have a good flight and have a fantastic holiday.

You will have to tell us all about it when you return

Tammy
 
Excellent stuff post that Deb, basically this is what i have learned myself about the flight to get me back on a plane a few years back.

Couple of things to add:



Vicki,

This is apparent towards the front of the plane, as the front wheel leaves the ground on the rotation of the aircraft the shock absorber will push this to the end of its track, this often sounds like a thud to the people in the cabin.

On the climb out, the gear retracting is noisy. During the first few minutes the first officer will effectively change the shape of the wing by retracting the flaps as the Captain call for it. This retracting of the flaps cleans the wings shape but also has the effect of reducing lift, this has the same effect as changing from T/off thrust to climb thrust as Deb mentioned although not as prominent. Also the flaps will give a whirring noise as the move, this will also happen on the descent as the flaps are applied again to increase the lift as the aircraft slows.

Good way to show how a wing works is to put your hand out of the car window and change the angle etc you hold it into the wind and how your hand moves up and down, the force is simply stunning. Take this and change the speed to 500mph and you can see how powerful the air is and how lift works and why these things of beauty fly easily.

As the aircraft leaves the noise abatement area described by Deb the Captain will increase the thrust to get up to the cruise altitude as soon as they can due to the benefits of thinner air.

Imagine the air you are flying through is like water, there are currents and changes to this, basically the aircraft is flowing though these. The wind is generally in the face of the plane on the way out but this does not mean in anyway that it will be more or less turbulent, it is all on the condition that day.

I find if the air circulators in the overhead bins are working is to use these to stay cooler, i personally find being hotter doesn't help.

Most of all best of luck with your flight, if you are having a moment, Think of us all wishing you well and where you are going, stay cool and stick to the relaxing technique that serves you best. Alot of people have been through this to the same level like me and come through it and alot still have problems, you are not alone and all you should concentrate on is making you feel comfortable.

Have fun, relax, have some popcorn:: and enjoy it.
 
Vicki, I'm a terrible flyer too!
Although my problem isn't the flying it's more the airport part of it and getting onto the plane (once I'm on, sitting down and looking out of the window I'm reasonable ok).

I've tried diazepam once, took one before we set off for the airport (Sheffield to Manchester). It didn't seem to have effect as the moment I walked into the terminal I just burst out in tears. So took a 2nd diazepam. One of Virgin staff came up to us, noticed I wasn't a very happy bunny and took care of us. She took us out of the queu and up to the check in for first class so everything would go smooth for us. She also said that with 2 diazepams I should be asleep before I even get onto the plane!
Unfortunately she was wrong, I was ok for a while, until all the people for the flight started arriving at the gate. Again the floodgates opened. DH asked if it was possible for us to wait until everybody was on the plane. Virgin staff were very accomodating. They waited until everybody was sitting down before they let us on and then told the cabin crew to take care of me, which they did.
That was the last time I took diazepam! Made things worse than before. I've also had beta blockers, that seemed to work on another occassion to calm me down. It does make your hands cold and make sure you don't keep taking them!
Now to get me on a plane it's a combination of Bach Rescue Remedy and telling the staff and crew about me being nervous. So far they've always taken care of us and made me feel at ease. So that's my advice to you, tell the crew you're a nervous flyer especially during turbulance. On one of the flights we took there was a small case of it (and even though it didn't worry me, for me the worst part of flying was over), a FA came over to make sure I was ok.
If it's just you and DH travelling, I'd also recommend going for the seats at the back of the plane. There are a few rows of 2 seats rather than 3 which makes it nicer and the window seat has a bit of extra legroom round the side.

have a wonderful trip and don't let your fear of flying get to you too much (easier said than done, I know). Keep thinking of where you're going and that should get you through it! :thumbsup2
 
That's a lot of good advice from all of you - thanks :thumbsup2

Each time I'm getting nervous about it I'm telling myself to STOP and thinking about all the "insider" information passed on. I don't know if it's helping but I'm not thinking about it so much. I do feel very stressed though - but it was never going to be an overnight cure.

I'm going with my hubby, our three daughters, my mum and dad. I'm sitting next to hubby so he can talk to me and help me relax. Last year the company we went through didn't sit us together. We were all over the plane so I had no-one to help me. I think this made it all the worse.

I'll let Virgin know I'm a nervous passenger. My hubby did this last year with the US company and they didn't do a thing. The staff say me sitting crying as the plane was bouncing up and down and never said a thing. I wont use that airline again.

Anyway, I have a mountain of washing to do - :laundy: - isn't that always the case ;) . Then it's making the house nice and clean - I hate coming back to a messy house - makes the holiday blues all the worse. Animals to drop off, money to get. Aprat from that I'm done :rotfl:

My aim is to get through the flight without crying this time. I'm not aiming to enjoy it - I hope I do. I look at my hubby and he's all :banana: about the flight.

I'll think of all your knid words and be focusing on the rewards - MK etc - at the end of the flight. Not long now :hourglass an I am excited about being there :cool1: . I know I wont want to come back, it was so hard last year to leave Orlando, I just haven't found a comparable job over there for me to apply and move over ......... yet :laughing:

Take care, have a good holiday for those going out around the same time. Speak to you all on the otherside. :flower3:

Vicki
 
I never used to be a frightened flyer, but my last flight from Anaheim to Las Vegas was horrible (severe turbulance) the worst hour and a half of my life. The next flight, coming home form Anaheim to London was also terrible, severe turbulance over Greenland, and the captain never did come on to explain. I used to love flying and the ideal thing would have been for me to take another flight asap. Now years on after having not flown, I have built up this flight to be something it is not. My wedding is is Disney and I HAVE to fly, this is all I keep saying to myself. I don't think I'm going to ask for medication, because i don't exactly know how I'll be. I love the airport bit, but the taking off, and flying, uh, uh. The landing I love, because it's coming to an end.
I really hope you have a good flight and come back and tell us how great it was. This will be an incentive for people like me, to go for it.
 
I know what you mean about landing. I know of friends who hate that part, but for me it's the end and I enjoy it.

When is your wedding? A Disney wedding sounds so fantastic. Now THAT is something to look forward too.
 
I read your reply via email. when I logged onto the forum I find out your wedding isn't far away. Still getting used to forums.... Sigh
 














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