Family adopts russian boy and then sends him back

Dear Serene One( and I laugh as I type your name ) Yes, this woman is a bad person. She did NOT do the only thing she could, she did the easiest thing she could. Of course no one appointed me God, I am simply stating my opinion along with you. If you want to talk about all the other bad people in the world-and there are a ton of them-we should start another thread. this thread is about the woman who put a 7yo on a plane along with a note saying he was no longer wanted. You think she's a good person? Whatever.
Nothing about this topic makes me feel serene, Serene One.

Laugh as you type my name? :sad2:

I did not realize that having a "name" of Serene One would mean that I would not have an opinion. The "name" is not DoesNotHaveAnOpinion. You do not know if she exhausted all her options, none of us know the FULL story and I never said I thought she was a good person. I am totally neutral for now, I do not know all the facts. I feel sorry for every one involved. And I never said the topic made me feel serene, shortbun, it in fact makes me very sad. My "handle does not mean I am the "SereneOne", so I would appreciate you not making assumptions. It does not make for a very good argument to bring my Dis name into it, it is pretty silly actually.

Several years ago an friend of my daughter's mother adopted a girl from Russia and she had severe problems with her, my understanding is, she was going to send the girl back to her country. Now this girl was a preteen and I think what eventually happened is the girl reached 18 and moved out on her own.

I think a bad person would have done what others have done and tortured the child, or killed him. Not doing her best to make sure the boy got back to his country. And no, I do not think what she did was good either, it was stupid and I think desperate.
 
The fact that the adoptive mother is refusing to talk to anyone OR tell her side of the story is pretty damning in and of itself. Even if she was totally justified, how are we to know when she won't speak up? Although I truly fail to see how she could possibly have exhausted every other option in the few short months she had him.

Tomorrow investigators are supposed to be meeting with her. I am PRAYING that our crappy TN DCS actually follows through and makes this woman face the repurcussions of her actions. However, I don't put much stock in that organization, sad to say.

Damning in itself? I would never go to the media, they are a pack of wolves looking to put whatever spin they want to for ratings. I wonder what everyone would be saying if he stayed in the home and murdered someone?
 
I know a family that had a foreign adoption (2 actually). They had to "unadopt" and went through the formal process to do it. Severe undisclosed issues that they had no success in treated.

They didn't toss her on a plane though. They dealt with DCF and had it properly handled.

I don't hold anyone in contempt if something like that occurs.

But you don't toss them on a plane and send them back to where you got them. That should be illegal if it isn't and I have no empathy for anyone who does that.

Furthermore--what child takes and unaccompanied minor with noone to pick them up on the other end??:confused3

In this country--when you pay someone $200 to take your child...you get in BIG trouble. This lady is just placating herself to make herself feel better, but yes, she did abandon that child.

What scared me is what if this was a child predator on the other end?

Thank God it was not, I do think what she did was stupid and desperate.
 
I don't think anyone is belittling the woman's situation. RAD children (if indeed he has RAD) can be dangerous, psychopathic and worse.

What I and many others take offense to is the manner this woman went about disrupting this adoption. I mean seriously...we all know...as I am sure this woman did as well...that you don't stick a 7yo kid on a plane with nothing more than a note saying "I do not wish to parent this child any longer."

Come on!!! Turn him over to DCS...call the authorities. Do something! But the minute this adoption was final that child was hers no differently than if she had given birth to him. As his mother it was HER responsibility to find help/care for him.

As an adoptive parent of a Russian child (who yes has her own set of issues but sending her back...good Lord the thought never even once entered my stream of conciousness) I feel most badly for the little boy. RAD can be awful but many cases can be overcome with proper therapy and intervention. And with him only being here a few months, I am doubtful he received much IF ANY therapy/intervention. She didn't even give him a chance.

You make excellent points, lemondog.

The children suffer the most. I hope there will be a happy resolution for this little guy.
 

There's a very good reason the adoptive mother did not escort the boy back to Russia herself......She knew good and well she was breaking Russian law, specifically everything she agreed to and signed during the adoption proceedings. While in court, you agree that this child will be yours as much as if you had given birth to it and that you are fully aware the child may have problems. You don't "give them back" any more than you do if you adopt a US born child. No wonder Russia is having a fit. She put him on a plane like a piece of carry on baggage, with a note on him saying she didn't wish to parent him any longer. It just doesn't look good.... I've made the trip to Russia twice and it is a tough flight. Very long. I cannot imagine putting a 7 y.o. on a plane to Russia alone.

As for jurisdiction and citizenship.....He's a US citizen abandoned by his US mother. It matters not if he had a US birth certificate. He doesn't need one. My child doesn't have one. You don't need it to get a SS card, a passport or to be a citizen. The two are not related, as one law enforcement officer (I believe) seemed to think. What he has is a Russian issued birth certificate, listing the adoptive mom as his mother. Because that is what she is.

I have a great deal of trouble mustering up sympathy for this woman, even if the kid DID have RAD. There is no way she was unaware that her actions would endanger thousands of current and future Russian adoptions. No way. Maybe she did try and get extensive help for the child, but even her own family says otherwise. So to solve her problem, she willingly screwed over thousands of other children and sacrificed their chance at a decent future. Sorry, I can't forgive that. You can call it desperation, but I see it as callous selfishness. I don't care if he was Damian II, you do not stick a kid on a plane and send him back to Russia like a Walmart return.

As for the person who asked what I had against the boy being homeschooled....nothing, actually. I was trying to point out that he was experiencing multiple shocks to his system. He had been in a group setting in the orphanage, surrounded by large numbers of children. Everything is done in groups. You are one of many. To suddenly go from that being your norm to being a homeschooled only child would have been a tremendous adjustment for this child. Not only are the adults speaking a language he cannot read, write or understand....He cannot even watch other children to observe what normal behavior is in this new setting. He has no reference point. Try to imagine how terrifying that could be for a 7 y.o. :sad2: Throw him a bone.....get him a tutor who speaks Russian, take him to socialize with other recent adoptees who speak Russian, learn Russian yourself.

A lot of people go into IA with unrealistic expectations and believe that within a few months the child will be all hugs and kisses with their new mom and dad. This happens a lot with babies, but the older a kid is, the longer it may take. And if a child has been hurt already (in this case by being raised by a bio mom and them having her rights terminated) they are wary of becoming attached to a new mom or dad. History has taught them that they cannot depend on parents. Parents are not "forever." In this case, the boy has just had that belief reinforced by the adoptive mother.

Even if every negative thing they say about the child is true, it's difficult to say whether he had RAD or was simply a child pushing and testing as much as he could in order to see if the mom would love him "no matter what." Many older kids will do this. They will be bad, for lack of a better word, to prove that you really don't love them. After all, when has anyone loved them before? You have to prove to them that you do.....no matter what. It doesn't seem as if this mom gave it long enough to determine whether the child was a "tester" or was really a case of RAD. And without extensive psychological help, she would have been clueless regarding the nature of his problem after only a few short months.

It seems she was quite efficient at solving her problem, but not so industrious when it came to finding ways to solve his.
 
Damning in itself? I would never go to the media, they are a pack of wolves looking to put whatever spin they want to for ratings. I wonder what everyone would be saying if he stayed in the home and murdered someone?

Honestly--she should have turned him over to the state, not returned him to his home country.

The adoption was finalized and so he was no different from any of her other children.

This is what my friend did. I do not know all the details, but it was indeed best for the family to undo the adoption. It was foreign (Guatamala), but the child was turned over to DCF...and only AFTER they attempted to remedy the issues. (And yes, in that case, they were lied to as the girl was known to have been abused and it wasn't disclosed at all. She was a "tag along" adoption to another adoption they were doing. They adopted an infant boy and she was a much much older girl that was "unadoptable". They took pity and adopted her. She is now safely with another family and doing great.)

Honestly--what this woman did is no different than someone leaving a newborn on a doorstep and hoping for the best. It's unconcianable (sp?) to do such a thing when there are proper legal and moral channels to pursue if she truly felt her family was in danger from this child and she was incapable of having him treated for his psychiatric issues.
 
What scared me is what if this was a child predator on the other end?

When I heard the child was to be picked up at the Moscow airport by a Russian man she had met on the internet and paid $200 to, I nearly choked. The airports in Moscow are huge. I'll go as far as to say Sheremetyevo was the darkest, scariest airport I've ever been in and I've traveled a lot. :eek: Hopefully, the poor kid flew into Domodedovo. Even if he made his way to the correct area, who is to say WHAT kind of person was waiting for him? For crying out loud, this kid could have wound up in child porn or worse! Did she even think about that????? :headache:
 
What an interesting thread. You all have such differences in opinion and it's quite interesting.

I wouldn't have known about the story, except for someone I work with is in the final stages of a Russian adoption. He and his wife are supposed to get their "referral" tomorrow and travel soon...He thinks at this point it's not going to happen. I feel really bad for him. This would have been their second Russian adoption. They have a young ( 2-3) year old boy and they were adopting a girl.

I have to tell you, there are some dedicated mothers on this site. I can't imagine having an adoption go through and finding out that the child had severe psychological issues. I couldn't do it. My sister is a special ed teacher. I couldn't do her job in a million years. I don't have the patience. I'm an ER nurse. My sister says she'd never do my job either, so I guess we're even.

I think the entire situation is sad. However, if I was in the same situation, and the child was dangerous and threatening and going to burn down my house, I wouldn't have kept him either. I don't know if I would have thrown him on a plane. But, I know in my heart that I could not live with that sort of disruption in my house. DH and I are very lucky, we have a large home in a great neighborhood, an excellent 13 year old daughter who is beautiful, smart and popular. We travel a lot, we make time for just "boring old family time" like Thursday nights, no matter what, we eat dinner, break out the ice cream and watch Survivor. There is nothing I enjoy more than my home and family...and DH and I have discussed adopting another girl, ( but I don't want a baby again- my schedule is too hellish for a baby ) but in honesty, if something like this happened, I wouldn't want to deal with it either. So, I know another reason why there's no more kids for me.

I think we all need to look at ourselves and know what we can handle is often much different than what others can. I think the adoptive mother honestly could not bond for/care about the child and in her mind, she thought sending him back was what was best ( and probably the easiest way, too ) But not all of us could go the councelling road, and deal with the behaviors...We're not all built the same.

I wouldn't have kept him either.
 
I have an adopted child with attachment disorder, depression, and an eating disorder. I understand the challenges very well. :)

The problem I have is the further victimization of the child in this case. Some of you are so up in arms about the anger at the mother but where is your anger at those who blame a child? No matter his issues, the boy is a seven year old innocent child.

Um, I don't think asking for full disclosure before uttering an opinion translates to being "up in arms" about the anger at the mother, nor have I read comments that "blame" a child.

Incindiary comments.

I lost my right to cast stones a long time ago.
 
I have an adopted child with attachment disorder, depression, and an eating disorder. I understand the challenges very well. :)

The problem I have is the further victimization of the child in this case. Some of you are so up in arms about the anger at the mother but where is your anger at those who blame a child? No matter his issues, the boy is a seven year old innocent child.

From the little that has been released to the media, this child sounds like a psychopath and a danger to society ~ regardless of his age.

I believe the Russian authorities lied to the mother to get her to take the child "off their hands". I also believe they knew full well they were "passing the buck", so to speak. That's why they won't allow the US consulate access to him.
 
It is the adoptive mom's mom.
The one who dropped him at the airport.

ok, I thought you posted that the mother (the adoptive mom of the boy) SAID she had never gotten treatment. I guess that hasn't been a statement from her to this point.
 
From the little that has been released to the media, this child sounds like a psychopath and a danger to society ~ regardless of his age.

Really? From the little that has been released to the media, all that can be determined is that no mental health professional saw or evaluated the child since he was brought to the U.S. It's amazing to me that there are lay people--like yourself and the woman in this case--who actually think they can determine whether a child is psychopathic.

I believe the Russian authorities lied to the mother to get her to take the child "off their hands". I also believe they knew full well they were "passing the buck", so to speak. That's why they won't allow the US consulate access to him.

What lies did the Russian authorities tell? They claimed the child is healthy, and unless this woman brought him to a health care professional who determined otherwise, I don't see any lies on the part of the Russians.
 
Really? From the little that has been released to the media, all that can be determined is that no mental health professional saw or evaluated the child since he was brought to the U.S. It's amazing to me that there are lay people--like yourself and the woman in this case--who actually think they can determine whether a child is psychopathic.



What lies did the Russian authorities tell? They claimed the child is healthy, and unless this woman brought him to a health care professional who determined otherwise, I don't see any lies on the part of the Russians.

I said "I believe". :)
 
I just dont understand why she sent him back to Russia. We have Safe Harbor laws here, I would have much more sympathy for her plight if she has sought out that avenue. But putting a child (dangerous or not) on a plane back to Russia, and thinking the man on the other end of this deal would keep that boy safe is appalling! Plus if this child is such a threat to others, why would you put a plane full of people in harm's way!!!!!!
 
They were just talking about it on the The View. It was mentioned that the adoptive mother contacted a lawyer in Russia a month before returning him. Do not know were they got that information as it is the first I have heard of it.

Denise in MI
 
I just dont understand why she sent him back to Russia. We have Safe Harbor laws here, I would have much more sympathy for her plight if she has sought out that avenue. But putting a child (dangerous or not) on a plane back to Russia, and thinking the man on the other end of this deal would keep that boy safe is appalling! Plus if this child is such a threat to others, why would you put a plane full of people in harm's way!!!!!!
Safe haven laws (that I know of) only apply to newborns, usually within the first three days of life or thereabouts. They are intended to prevent women from dumping newborns in the trash, and wouldn't apply to an older child that has lived in the home for as long as this child did.

However, you are right that there are better ways to go about this. A child can be placed for adoption at any age. This mother should have gone to an adoption agency or DHS and relinquished her rights to someone who would find a good home for the boy.
 
Safe haven laws (that I know of) only apply to newborns, usually within the first three days of life or thereabouts. They are intended to prevent women from dumping newborns in the trash, and wouldn't apply to an older child that has lived in the home for as long as this child did.

However, you are right that there are better ways to go about this. A child can be placed for adoption at any age. This mother should have gone to an adoption agency or DHS and relinquished her rights to someone who would find a good home for the boy.

Opps Safe Haven, sorry. I thought this covered olerd kids at least in some states. But I just googled and found that even Nebraska changed it back to infants because people were leaving older children. I guess I was remembering the story of the guy who dropped off his nine kids bc he could not handle it.

I still cant not imagine sending him back to Russia like she did. She hs no idea if that man was dangerous to that child. Plus I would be concerned about what the Russian authorities would do to that boy.
 
Opps Safe Haven, sorry. I thought this covered olerd kids at least in some states. But I just googled and found that even Nebraska changed it back to infants because people were leaving older children. I guess I was remembering the story of the guy who dropped off his nine kids bc he could not handle it.

I still cant not imagine sending him back to Russia like she did. She hs no idea if that man was dangerous to that child. Plus I would be concerned about what the Russian authorities would do to that boy.

Oh, yea, I'd forgotten that Nebraska's law did apply to older kids at one time! :)

In any event, there were much better ways to handle it!
 


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