ethics of keeping a dog outside

[luvsJack]

Just wanted to remind everyone that the OP has said in previous threads that they are planning on TWO horses. One actual horse for the kids to ride plus a miniature horse...on one acre...and a house...and a barn...and a pool.

Oh. If its only the one acre and there are no animals on the property now; what is the barn for?

I would be more concerned about the full size horse than I would the dogs.

 

[disneystacy]

Just wanted to remind everyone that the OP has said in previous threads that they are planning on TWO horses. One actual horse for the kids to ride plus a miniature horse...on one acre...and a house...and a barn...and a pool.

 

[wildernesslodgelover]

Just wanted to remind everyone that the OP has said in previous threads that they are planning on TWO horses. One actual horse for the kids to ride plus a miniature horse...on one acre...and a house...and a barn...and a pool.

You are so predictable. You just cannot help yourself.

So now everyone around me, on an acre with a pool and a barn and multiple horses...they are all abusive, right? Or is it the 2 dogs that just mess up the delicate balance? I have stalls attached to paddocks on one side of the house, and a large pasture on the other side. The pasture is fenced to include another large portion (maybe another 1/3 acre) that I do not personally own, I am not taxed on, but it was originally part of this property that was claimed (or whatever you call it) by the county in case they ever want to put horse trails in. You know, for all the horses that live on an acre and are so neglected and abused.

I personally do not believe in keeping horses stalled up, they will have the run of the paddocks, and be turned out into the pasture daily. Of course all the haters on the thread think I will forget about outdoor animals, so who knows what will actually happen? LOL.

 

[Pea-n-Me]

Haters? Where?

Come on, wll. There have been some differences of opinion, but I don't think there've been any haters. Everyone's been civil.

 

[Jennasis]

You are so predictable. You just cannot help yourself.

So now everyone around me, on an acre with a pool and a barn and multiple horses...they are all abusive, right? Or is it the 2 dogs that just mess up the delicate balance? I have stalls attached to paddocks on one side of the house, and a large pasture on the other side. The pasture is fenced to include another large portion (maybe another 1/3 acre) that I do not personally own, I am not taxed on, but it was originally part of this property that was claimed (or whatever you call it) by the county in case they ever want to put horse trails in. You know, for all the horses that live on an acre and are so neglected and abused.

I personally do not believe in keeping horses stalled up, they will have the run of the paddocks, and be turned out into the pasture daily. Of course all the haters on the thread think I will forget about outdoor animals, so who knows what will actually happen? LOL.

I never said anything about the care you'd provide for any of the animals. I am positive you will do the best you can to provide a happy, loving, caring home to all of your animals even with the extraordinarily limited space you have. Back on Long Island it is very common for folks to have multiple horses on small acreage. Naturally the grass will be completely gone, but you can supplement with hay. Every county, town, municipality has different laws on the books for the number of horses allowed per acre. As long as you are within your areas legal allowable number, you are good to go.

Also, I think adopting dogs is a wonderful thing! I know many will give you a hard time about the outside dog thing, but not me. I am home alone all day and I depend on my three dogs to "watch" me and alert me. I completely empathize with you. Hopefully you can find the right dogs to add to your family.

 

[wildernesslodgelover]

Pea and me-well, I disagree. I think some people on this thread have delighted in making fun of my home and land. A place we saved a long time for, that my husband is renovating himself, where I plan to live for the next 20 years (at least). Of course, I know nothing of where they live, what property values are like in their area, etc. I think that is hateful. Anyone who says to ME that I would tire of an animals that I chose to adopt, that I would exchange it, that I would forget about it...I find that hateful. Calling someone an abuser of animals is hateful.

Jennasis-I mean, I look next door at the woman boarding two thoroughbreds (remember, I care for them for 10 days while she was gone) and she has an acre and plenty of lush grass. She leaves the stalls open so the horses can go in and out. I can't imagine that adding two dogs to that would mess things up so badly. Across the street is an acre and a half, with an 8 stall barn that boards incredible show horses. She has a full size lighted ring, and a small pasture in the back where the horses take turns being let out in. People pay big bucks to board their horses with her....it is quite an operation. So I just don't know why you had to comment about about my 1 acre with 1 horse and 1 mini.

 

[Jennasis]

Pea and me-well, I disagree. I think some people on this thread have delighted in making fun of my home and land. A place we saved a long time for, that my husband is renovating himself, where I plan to live for the next 20 years (at least). Of course, I know nothing of where they live, what property values are like in their area, etc. I think that is hateful. Anyone who says to ME that I would tire of an animals that I chose to adopt, that I would exchange it, that I would forget about it...I find that hateful. Calling someone an abuser of animals is hateful.

Jennasis-I mean, I look next door at the woman boarding two thoroughbreds (remember, I care for them for 10 days while she was gone) and she has an acre and plenty of lush grass. She leaves the stalls open so the horses can go in and out. I can't imagine that adding two dogs to that would mess things up so badly. Across the street is an acre and a half, with an 8 stall barn that boards incredible show horses. She has a full size lighted ring, and a small pasture in the back where the horses take turns being let out in. People pay big bucks to board their horses with her....it is quite an operation. So I just don't know why you had to comment about about my 1 acre with 1 horse and 1 mini.

Make sure you pick your neighbors brains about their grass/pasture management techniques, since it seems to be working so well for them. That's how we got our pastures in shape....we asked our neighbor how he kept his so nice.

 

[monkey68]

Just curious, why is it not enough space for 2 dogs on 1 acre of land, but it's A-OK to have a dog or 2 inside the house, which is much less than an acre, especially when you take away all the square footage taken up by furniture and rooms that the dog is not allowed into.

 

[Mermaid02]

Just wanted to remind everyone that the OP has said in previous threads that they are planning on TWO horses. One actual horse for the kids to ride plus a miniature horse...on one acre...and a house...and a barn...and a pool.

And a partridge in a peeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr treeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee................................

Sorry, couldn't help it.........

 

[Mermaid02]

Just curious, why is it not enough space for 2 dogs on 1 acre of land, but it's A-OK to have a dog or 2 inside the house, which is much less than an acre, especially when you take away all the square footage taken up by furniture and rooms that the dog is not allowed into.

It's not the acre that isn't big enough for the dogs.......... it's a house, a barn, 2 horses, a swimming pool, etc. Just seems like a lot of stuff on a small lot. But hey, we live on .14 acres in the 'city' so I'm jealous.

I agree with the others that say it will be hard to find rescue dogs for this particular situation. Dogs that this is a "fit" for. Most dogs want to be with their people........ I have to DRIVE our weimaraner outside unless we go out with her. She is attached to us.

 

[wildernesslodgelover]

And a partridge in a peeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr treeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee................................

Sorry, couldn't help it.........

LOL< actually, we are getting a 3 hen chicken coop for the eggs, so you are not completely off base with that.

Monkey-I am sure someone will have a clever answer for you. I look forward to hearing it myself.

 

[Mermaid02]

LOL< actually, we are getting a 3 hen chicken coop for the eggs, so you are not completely off base with that.

Monkey-I am sure someone will have a clever answer for you. I look forward to hearing it myself.

We buy fresh eggs off of someone my dh works with .......... they are SO good!

 

[wildernesslodgelover]

It's not the acre that isn't big enough for the dogs.......... it's a house, a barn, 2 horses, a swimming pool, etc. Just seems like a lot of stuff on a small lot. But hey, we live on .14 acres in the 'city' so I'm jealous.

I agree with the others that say it will be hard to find rescue dogs for this particular situation. Dogs that this is a "fit" for. Most dogs want to be with their people........ I have to DRIVE our weimaraner outside unless we go out with her. She is attached to us.

so an apartment in manhattan...is that better?...or is that no good, also? Is there some perfect equation of land/indoor ratio that I am missing? If so, what is it?

If someone is single and works 10 hour days...should they have a dog?

 

[Mermaid02]

so an apartment in manhattan...is that better?...or is that no good, also? Is there some perfect equation of land/indoor ratio that I am missing? If so, what is it?

If someone is single and works 10 hour days...should they have a dog?

I think you need to re read what I wrote. I have no problem with the size of your lot- just seems like a lot of "stuff" on a lot- but it's fine for dogs.

And I will say, nope, someone who is single and works a 10 hour day should NOT have a dog. Get a cat, they don't care if you are home or not.

 

[wildernesslodgelover]

I am sure this dog would have just hated being in my backyard with a companion...

http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto..._99115389977_99103779977_724087_7730416_n.jpg

sorry, I know this is hard to see. It is hard to even THINK about. But this is apparently what some people here prefer? I just don't get it.

 

[Jennasis]

so an apartment in manhattan...is that better?...or is that no good, also? Is there some perfect equation of land/indoor ratio that I am missing? If so, what is it?

If someone is single and works 10 hour days...should they have a dog?

There is no ratio AFAIC. There is only the right dog for the right situation. You just have to keep looking till you find the right one for yours.

 

[Mermaid02]

I am sure this dog would have just hated being in my backyard with a companion...

http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphoto..._99115389977_99103779977_724087_7730416_n.jpg

sorry, I know this is hard to see. It is hard to even THINK about. But this is apparently what some people here prefer? I just don't get it.

I will not look at that link.......... I disagree with your opinion. DOGS should not be kept exclusively outside......... they need to feel part of the family/pack. That is how you get their loyalty and trust. You disagree- that is your right.

I am puzzled why you posted this thread though. And I am especially puzzled why you titled it "ETHICS of keeping a dog outside" If you are so sure it's okay, why question the ethics??

 

[disneystacy]

so an apartment in manhattan...is that better?...or is that no good, also? Is there some perfect equation of land/indoor ratio that I am missing? If so, what is it?

If someone is single and works 10 hour days...should they have a dog?

No ratio : if the dog is indoors and then needs or wants to go out someone is around regularly to provide the task. If it is inclement weather or extremely hot, the animals are made comfortable indoors. If the dogs wants companionship a owner is around to provide it.

If someone is single and works 10 hour days than I hope they would have a dog sitter to come and take the dog for a walk or enroll in doggie day care or else they have no business getting a dog. What would be the point? You aren't home?
Why do you think so many animals are in shelters? People thinking pet ownership is no big deal and the animal will fit into whatever role the owner deems fit.

 

[luvsJack]

I will not look at that link.......... I disagree with your opinion. DOGS should not be kept exclusively outside......... they need to feel part of the family/pack. That is how you get their loyalty and trust. You disagree- that is your right.

I am puzzled why you posted this thread though. And I am especially puzzled why you titled it "ETHICS of keeping a dog outside" If you are so sure it's okay, why question the ethics??

I disagree with this too. My dogs do feel like part of the family and are treated as such--and they live outside. It doesn't have to be an either/or situation.

 

[wildernesslodgelover]

I posted this on the 1st page...

"I am not angry at anyone who thinks dogs should be kept inside and are giving their opinion. The whole reason I ask is my first response would be the same. I just think if you take it on a case by case basis, you might think differently, rather than a blanket statement of "all dogs must be indoor dogs."