Electrical Water Pageant

[marc1477]

Hmmm. Well, I think the Polynesian beach is going to be very popular with me next holidays

By the way, if Disney institutes such a ridiculous plan then they ought to shove it where the sun doesn't shine. There's enough elitism in this country, why spread it even further in Disneyworld? It's time to give the Ivory Tower a rest every now and again.

I agree here. Most people goto DW to escape the outside reality and don't want to deal with it while on vacation. While I have never been to Disney when its been really busy, only in Nov. and Aug, I have yet to see the beaches alone the lagoon ever fill up to capacity. Its a big beach and I don't think that it will get to be that busy. Such a rule on Disney's part to keep anyone than specific resort guest off the beaches in my opinion is a farse. Walt would roll over in his grave. He wanted the facility to make people happy.

It would be a sad day if Disney would not allow people from other resorts access to the beaches to watch EWP. I goto Poly to watch EWP every and any time I am at Disney and don't intend to stop anytime soon.

 

[Tinker74]

I agree with the above poster.....This thread actually makes me very sad ....I live in the UK and our trip to WDW in Agust will probably be our one and only trip.
I have been totally swept up in the magic and sprinkled with pixie dust ...My family have been through some difficult times lately and this holiday is a lifesaver for us.....I have just been reading a wonderful trip report about a lovely family from the Uk having a magical time and it fills my heart with joy.....But I think Iam losing a bit of the magic reading this thread amongst others.
I'll never understand why some people can't share more
Some here...the usual miserable ones areacting like spoilt brats who want there own way....even disney says that other visitors can come to the resorts...but that isn't good enough for some...they want there own rules...they visit several times a year...yet they still can't be happy for others to share the wonderful beaches at resorts.
It truly baffles and saddens me how selfish and bitter some are here.....And it puts me off going to disney...in case i come across any such individuals there.
So thanks for that....

 

[MiaSRN62]

Tikiman says :that a majority of people staying at a value resort are not eating at the resort most of the time or even if they are eating other places do you think they are taking the family to the California Grill or Flying Fish on a regular basis?

"value resort guests" is what I think. Why *wouldn't* they eat at the Flying Fish or California Grill?

I have to agree.....some people budget themselves on their rooms and then eat out and shop like crazy with all that extra money they saved. And Tiki, if the value guests aren't eating at the resort, where are they eating ? I'm a little confused by that statement ?
I know when my friends and I stayed at POP last Feb, we ate at many sit down restaurants on property. We could have afforded a deluxe resort. One of my friends, dropped $600+ on a 4 day vacation just shopping in wdw (just shopping.....dining was additional). And we stayed at a value resort. Also, it was mentioned that values are $79 (I have not paid under $110 in our past 3 stays there dating back to 2002). Also, let's factor in the mods as well.....they're approaching $200/night and we can't discount those guests. To assume that value/mod guests don't regularily dine out at the nicer restaurants is being pretty presumptive I think. And who's to say that most deluxe guests dine at CA Grille---we don't knw that for certain----some may have splurged most of their budget on the room itself.

Tikiman says : What is realistic is someone at a Deluxe spending over $5000 for a week at WDW for room and food and gifts. How many families that stay at a value resort spend that on vacation in a year? Do you still believe that argument is valid? If so than I will argue no further.

As you stated in one of your posts.....I won't get into this either. The money we have spent on some of our vacations while staying in a value/mod has been considerate. We're a family of 5 and have had to book 2 rooms when we stay at a value/mod (it's one of the reasons we became DVC Members 5 years ago). We prefer to book 2 rooms at the value/mods vs 1 at a deluxe (in order to sleep 5) due to getting the extra bathroom. We'd much prefer 2 bathrooms for our family vs 1 larger room. I know alot of families that do this. So factor into the equation that often times family and groups are taking up 2 or more rooms per reservation. And again, to presume these families are not capable or not actually spending a large amount of money per vacation is just sounding a little snobby to me (no disrespect meant by this). What proof do we have that deluxe guests are spending said amount of money ? It's all assumption on your part. So I don't know how you can say your statement is valid either if this is your argument ?

My apologize. I should not have used the word ridiculous. I just don’t think it is a good argument. I did not intend to offend you for having that opinion.

Thanks Tikiman. No offense taken. I guess we're equal because I'm not buying your argument too well either---and that's ok. Not everyone is going to agree on the points we've all discussed. This debate will always be split down the middle. I just think it's the nature of this discussion. There's alot of passion involved when one talks about wdw vs an airline analogy or whatever. Disney evokes special memories and experiences (those warm fuzzy feelings ) in people and it's why I feel things such as what we're discussing here will be taken to heart. The emotions we're seeing here in this thread alone are exactly why I feel people will notice if disney implements a FP change or little things like not allowing guests to stand out on the beach for 5 or 10 min. I think people will feel a loss in value....quality....magic.....
As I mentioned before....if disney had put the rumored FP policy into effect from the get-go it probably wouldn't have been as noticeable. But to take something away that's been in effect for years from some wdw guests based on what they pay for a room is a mistake in my book.
And as far as viewing the parade from the beach, sure some may feel the EWP is no big deal of a parade, but when you're standing there holding your 4 yo's hand and watching it through their eyes, it can really make for a priceless moment.

 

[4theloveofdisney]

Hmmm. Well, I think the Polynesian beach is going to be very popular with me next holidays

Us too...and we'll tell all of our friends... and family members to be sure to visit as well.

Sounds like some people on this board need a good dusting!

 

[Tinker74]

Your right there.. ...But some people are way beyond a dusting...I feel all yuccky now..i need to go and read a nice trip report...like gopherit...or off to neverland ...always makes me feel good and excited about our trip.

 

[DVC Sadie]

No. Disney only put the wristband program in place at Storm-a-long Bay because there was such rampant disregard for reasonable behavior on the part of so many guests. Disney knows that enforcement is far more expensive than voluntary compliance and so Disney relies on the integrity of its guests to behave reasonably with regard to these things.

Incidently, ALL resort pools have the same restriction, but the enforcement is only in place at the Yacht and Beach Club Resort because that was where the most violations were. Reasonable behavior is expected everywhere, not just where there is enforcement.

I don't know if the Poly beach qualifies in the same way as the resort pools. I don't remember seeing any such rule. However, the fact that there isn't enforcement is not a good indicator of what is appropriate. Personally, I wouldn't go to a hotel at night if I wasn't staying there or eating at one of their restaurants.

Bicker, There is a sign at the both the pool and Beach for the Poly that states that these areas are for resort guests only. Just wanted to clear that up.

 

[Allison]

Bicker, There is a sign at the both the pool and Beach for the Poly that states that these areas are for resort guests only. Just wanted to clear that up.

Just for informational purposes-I do not believe the sign is there for the beach anymore. It used to be.

 

[Tikiman]

I have to agree.....some people budget themselves on their rooms and then eat out and shop like crazy with all that extra money they saved. And Tiki, if the value guests aren't eating at the resort, where are they eating ? I'm a little confused by that statement ?
I know when my friends and I stayed at POP last Feb, we ate at many sit down restaurants on property. We could have afforded a deluxe resort. One of my friends, dropped $600+ on a 4 day vacation just shopping in wdw (just shopping.....dining was additional). And we stayed at a value resort. Also, it was mentioned that values are $79 (I have not paid under $110 in our past 3 stays there dating back to 2002). Also, let's factor in the mods as well.....they're approaching $200/night and we can't discount those guests. To assume that value/mod guests don't regularily dine out at the nicer restaurants is being pretty presumptive I think. And who's to say that most deluxe guests dine at CA Grille---we don't knw that for certain----some may have splurged most of their budget on the room itself.


As you stated in one of your posts.....I won't get into this either. The money we have spent on some of our vacations while staying in a value/mod has been considerate. We're a family of 5 and have had to book 2 rooms when we stay at a value/mod (it's one of the reasons we became DVC Members 5 years ago). We prefer to book 2 rooms at the value/mods vs 1 at a deluxe (in order to sleep 5) due to getting the extra bathroom. We'd much prefer 2 bathrooms for our family vs 1 larger room. I know alot of families that do this. So factor into the equation that often times family and groups are taking up 2 or more rooms per reservation. And again, to presume these families are not capable or not actually spending a large amount of money per vacation is just sounding a little snobby to me (no disrespect meant by this). What proof do we have that deluxe guests are spending said amount of money ? It's all assumption on your part. So I don't know how you can say your statement is valid either if this is your argument ?



Thanks Tikiman. No offense taken. I guess we're equal because I'm not buying your argument too well either---and that's ok. Not everyone is going to agree on the points we've all discussed. This debate will always be split down the middle. I just think it's the nature of this discussion. There's alot of passion involved when one talks about wdw vs an airline analogy or whatever. Disney evokes special memories and experiences (those warm fuzzy feelings ) in people and it's why I feel things such as what we're discussing here will be taken to heart. The emotions we're seeing here in this thread alone are exactly why I feel people will notice if disney implements a FP change or little things like not allowing guests to stand out on the beach for 5 or 10 min. I think people will feel a loss in value....quality....magic.....
As I mentioned before....if disney had put the rumored FP policy into effect from the get-go it probably wouldn't have been as noticeable. But to take something away that's been in effect for years from some wdw guests based on what they pay for a room is a mistake in my book.
And as far as viewing the parade from the beach, sure some may feel the EWP is no big deal of a parade, but when you're standing there holding your 4 yo's hand and watching it through their eyes, it can really make for a priceless moment.

I thought this thread died by now.

If you are going to go after my statements than is it too much to actually post the statement I made?

Here is cut and pasted what I asked (question not a statement) that no one answered.

“are you suggesting that a majority of people staying at a value resort are not eating at the resort most of the time or even if they are eating other places do you think they are taking the family to the California Grill or Flying Fish on a regular basis?”

Where did I ever say value guests were not eating at the resort and where did I ever say they don’t eat at places like Cal Grill or any other nice sit down restaurant? Also my point in the post was not to make a judgment on any one person. I would not be surprised if there were many people that stay at a value resort and spend a tone on food and shopping but are you suggesting that is the majority of people that stay there?

As far as using the $79 rate when I compared the same season with the same season when it came to numbers and Value season is at that rate. I can use the numbers for a more expensive season and that you will increase the amount for the Deluxe also but since you missed the point completely with my other post that it would be a waist of my time to redo the comparison since you goal is just to try and prove anything I say wrong even if you don’t use my own statements.

As far as what you spend (still missing the point) I was not saying no one spends that much that stays in a value resort. I was comparing what the other posted said and that was someone staying for 20 days in a value and someone staying 5 days in a deluxe. You could say that someone had two rooms at the deluxe to fit their whole family also and go on and on and on with different scenarios but the point is already lost so it is just taking up everyone’s time that is still reading all this.

Don’t begin to tell me what I presume since you have NO idea and no it is not an assumption on how much a deluxe resort guest is spending. I know what I and many others spend since I help with quite a few reservations and bookings.

I am not much interested in if you buy my argument because you are not even looking at it for what it was. You are seeing it as some sort of I think I am better than someone else and that was COMPLETELY not the idea. I was just debating the example that someone that goes to Disney and stays value but goes for many more days spends more than someone at a deluxe for a few days. We will make sure to list you in the group of people that disagree with me and move on.

I don’t know why you are arguing the point of going to the Polynesian beach as a non resort guest with me. I am the one that posted that the new rules are that you CAN go to the beach to view as a non-resort guest, but maybe you just want to blame me for all the evils of the DIS. Sorry if I sound rude this morning but waking up and starting off with this posting is enough to forget giving advise in here. Maybe one of these days I will get smart and stop wasting my time in here just to have people turn my posts into something they were not.

 

[Tikiman]

Bicker, There is a sign at the both the pool and Beach for the Poly that states that these areas are for resort guests only. Just wanted to clear that up.

The signs for the beach were removed about a year ago. The pool still says that.

 

[DVC Sadie]

Also, forgive me, but I don't understand why you say I'm mistaken when I say that if Disney wants to give special perks all over their property, then they should track how much money people spend all over their property. (Rather than base it just on how much one is spending for accommodations alone). I said that would be impossible to track.... which it is under the current system. So why am I mistaken? Or do you just disagree? There's a difference.

Actually WDW does track some things. They definately track how many times we have visited in the past. Last time I called CRO they told me that I was going on my 25th trip. I just because I couldn't believe that they knew.

Having used my room key to charge everything from meals,pool bar, souvineers, spa services and beauty salon, they also have a very good idea just how much I do spend. To think that Disney doesn't track how much is spent by their resort guests is foolish. All businesses keep track of customer spending whether its the dollar store or Nordstroms.

 

[SlightlyGoofy]

My definition of 'sin' is that if you do something that you feel is wrong it is. It is sort of the difference between a 1 year old picking up a candy bar without paying and an 11 year old. I do not feel one bit guilty for enjoying the EWP from wherever I happen to be at the time and until I do I will keep on watching. I would feel guilty if my being there was going to keep someone else from enjoying it though. Wonder how many more people I will have joining me next trip just to be ornery?

I love ornery people. I am one. One time when my hubby and I were eating at the GG I saw two girls being told to leave the revolving platform because they were not eating there. They were so excited to see the characters. Boy, were they surprised to find out that hubby and I were their long lost 'aunt' and 'uncle' when we invited them to sit with us for a bit. I could not have enjoyed my meal otherwise.

When my daughter was growing up she was a small size and I have never been less than a very large size and kind of embarrassed about it. I used to love to window shop for nice clothes for my dd and very occasionally I would be treated with distain by sales people. If I was in a particularly ornery mood I would pick out an outfit and head for the changing room just to see their faces. I would not have dreamed of stuffing my large frame into the clothes and hurting them, I am not that ornery but it was sort of fun anyway.

Opinions, we all have them. Just because I have one does not mean that others are forced to abide by them any more than I am forced to abide by others. If I am in someone's home or business I will either abide or not go but otherwise, no harm, no foul.

Back to planning my next trip. Wonder if I can make it to see the EWP from each and eveyone of the lagoon resorts? I am always looking for something new to do and that sounds like a winner. Now, let me go check and see where we can have dinner each night.

Slightly Goofy/Linda

 

[DVC Sadie]

Well, you see.... "value people" aren't actually confined to their resorts, are they? I can tell you that when we stayed in two rooms at Pop for 11 nights, we ate at table service restaurants 2-3 times a day for all 12 days.
All anyone has to do is read all the threads about saving money while staying in a value resort to see that eating 2 to 3 TS per day is not the norm.

Plus, surely you're not assuming that everyone who stays at deluxe resorts pays $550 a night. The average rate is closer to $320-$450.

Some pay a lot more. A one bedroom suite at the CR is approximately 1550.00 per night. A Poly room can run 600. 00 per night. GF room 650.00 per night. I haven't seen a 320-450.00 per night room in a long time.

 

[CheshireVal]

Actually WDW does track some things. They definately track how many times we have visited in the past. Last time I called CRO they told me that I was going on my 25th trip. I just because I couldn't believe that they knew.

Having used my room key to charge everything from meals,pool bar, souvineers, spa services and beauty salon, they also have a very good idea just how much I do spend. To think that Disney doesn't track how much is spent by their resort guests is foolish. All businesses keep track of customer spending whether its the dollar store or Nordstroms.

I agree with you that they do track things-- they have enough personal info on me by now that they could probably write my resume for me! But... they can't track my debit card or my cash (which is what I use instead of my room key for purchases.)

 

[DVC Sadie]

The signs for the beach were removed about a year ago. The pool still says that.

Sorry, my bad. I just didn't notice last New Years Eve. What we did notice was all the trash some people left on the ground after the fireworks. Some were having picnics (like us) and just left all their trash when they left to go back to their own resorts.

The only reason we didn't watch the fireworks from our patio was because someone took all of our chairs and preceeded to take them to the beach. So we tried to make lemonade out of lemons so hence we had a picnic. There will be no more Poly staying for us on any of the holidays until the Poly executives keep the resort to resort guests. Oh well.

 

[grimley1968]

Sorry, my bad. I just didn't notice last New Years Eve. What we did notice was all the trash some people left on the ground after the fireworks. Some were having picnics (like us) and just left all their trash when they left to go back to their own resorts.

How do you know this trash wasn't left by paying Poly guests themselves?

 

[MiaSRN62]

Where did I ever say value guests were not eating at the resort and where did I ever say they don’t eat at places like Cal Grill or any other nice sit down restaurant? Also my point in the post was not to make a judgment on any one person. I would not be surprised if there were many people that stay at a value resort and spend a tone on food and shopping but are you suggesting that is the majority of people that stay there?

Tikiman,
My apologies to you........I think I did take some of what you said out of context. But I still stand by who knows how much a value/mod/deluxe guest spends on meals, shopping, park admission etc. You don't know and I don't know with 100% certainty. Value/Mod guests could very well dine at Boma, CA Grill, Spoodles etc ?

You may help several people with bookings at the Poly (as you state) :

Don’t begin to tell me what I presume since you have NO idea and no it is not an assumption on how much a deluxe resort guest is spending. I know what I and many others spend since I help with quite a few reservations and bookings.

I'm just saying you don't have any idea what all the thousands who stay at values and mods spend either. Disney is the only one that tracks this so I was just addressing the fact that you stated "but are you suggesting that is the majority of people that stay there" (as stated by Tikiman in reference to value/mod resorts). Gosh Tikiman...who knows ? I don't....you don't.....it's all speculation on both our parts. Sorry that I took some of what you said out of context. I came home from work late and it was like 1:30 am when I posted that.
As for the beach issue.....I stated that for the general public on this thread. That was not meant to be directed at you.

Tikiman says : I am not much interested in if you buy my argument because you are not even looking at it for what it was.

That's fine....I don't mind. I guess because I don't see your perspective or agree with you then you're not interested ? I accept that.
Moving on now.........

 

[MiaSRN62]

but maybe you just want to blame me for all the evils of the DIS.

Tikiman,
I most certainly did not mean to convey this (I was tired and grumpy as well when I posted at 1:30 am). Hopefully we can call a truce. Even though I don't necessarily agree with some of things you say (and vice versa), I respect your opinion (I wanted that for the record).
Ok...now I'm moving on........

 

[DVC Sadie]

How do you know this trash wasn't left by paying Poly guests themselves?

I know the people having a picnic next to us was from another resort because they asked us,"Whats the easiest way to get back to the parking lot from here?" We asked them where they were headed and they told us so thats how we know.

 

[grimley1968]

I know the people having a picnic next to us was from another resort because they asked us,"Whats the easiest way to get back to the parking lot from here?" We asked them where they were headed and they told us so thats how we know.

This doesn't answer my question: how do you know this trash wasn't left by people staying at the Poly? Just because these non-Poly people had a picnic next to you doesn't tell me that all this trash left behind on NYE was left by non-Poly guests.

I would hope that ALL people could clean up after themselves better, Poly guests or not.

 

[Tikiman]

Tikiman,
I most certainly did not mean to convey this (I was tired and grumpy as well when I posted at 1:30 am). Hopefully we can call a truce. Even though I don't necessarily agree with some of things you say (and vice versa), I respect your opinion (I wanted that for the record).
Ok...now I'm moving on........

I though you were moving on before?

I am sorry you were tired and did not take the time to read ALL the posts that lead up to mine to see where my response came from and what the basis of my comments were. Someone else brought up the subject about that value resort guests spend more on other things when they are there for a longer time that Deluxe resort people.So it is ok for someone to speculate in the reverse of my example but I can not speculate? I guess it is ok to argue for the value guest but not for the deluxe guest because than it makes us a snob.

I don’t mind when people disagree with me but read carefully what I write before you go after me. Also I believe some people go into reading a post with a preconceived notion about what the person is going to say and just read into it what they want. I don’t enjoy getting angry but I am not going to back down when someone unfairly attacks my posts.