Editing your Photos

Okay, it is a Holywar! I thought it would turn into one. I've been wanting to get some kind of photo editing software for a long, long time. DW controls all monies, been planning our 2 week stay in August since December. So how much does a good program cost? I have one that came with my Olympus camera but I believe its only a trial. Please someone point me in the right direction. DW thinks we are talking several hundred dollars- I really hope not. Thanks

you can download a free trial version of corel's paint shop pro photo X2 it is good for 30 days, after that if you like it the price is $80 dollars..

that will allow you to do pretty much anything you want with your pictures..

or you can download gimp or picassa, both free programs..

picassa is fairly easy, but limited in what you can do, for basic editing it is fine..

gimp is alittle more advanced, but a little harder to use....
 
you can download a free trial version of corel's paint shop pro photo X2 it is good for 30 days, after that if you like it the price is $80 dollars..

that will allow you to do pretty much anything you want with your pictures..

or you can download gimp or picassa, both free programs..

picassa is fairly easy, but limited in what you can do, for basic editing it is fine..

gimp is alittle more advanced, but a little harder to use....

Thankyou!
 
gimp is alittle more advanced, but a little harder to use....

Yeah, Gimp took me a while to get used to. I'm hardly a professional, but I do like to fool around with editing. At first all I could do with Gimp was just "gimp along" (forgive the pun), but after a while I started getting the hang of it, and it did start making more sense.
If you're a patient person, and you have at least somewhat of a knack for editing programs, then go ahead and give gimp a try. For being a free program, it does offer quite a few nice features.
 

paint shop pro has a setting that autosaves the original, so you never change it, you work on a copy and save the copy..

That's a workaround that doesn't solve the core problem. With any package, you can open a JPG, edit it, and save it to a new name (or archive the old file and then save to the old name). If, after you have made your changes, you decide to make more changes, now what do you do? You can open the edited version and make more changes and save it, taking the lossy compression hit once again. You could open the original file, make all the changes you made the first time, and then make the new changes. Neither is a particularly good solution.

My recommendation is that, regardless of what package you use, if you are going to work with a file in more than a trivial way, you save your changes in a non-lossy compressed format. Then you can go back and edit the file as many times as you'd like without concern for compression induced image degredation.

It's also best if you can also make those changes in a way that allows you to selectively tweak or undo your changes. With pixel editors, that is typically done by using layers. With metadata editors, it is done by just changing your changes back. The main thing is not to make direct pixel edits and save in a way that doesn't allow you to undo or tweak those edits later. I don't think you have to be dogmatically pure with this approach with every single file you ever touch. It's just good practice that can save you work.
 
That's a workaround that doesn't solve the core problem. With any package, you can open a JPG, edit it, and save it to a new name (or archive the old file and then save to the old name). If, after you have made your changes, you decide to make more changes, now what do you do? You can open the edited version and make more changes and save it, taking the lossy compression hit once again. You could open the original file, make all the changes you made the first time, and then make the new changes. Neither is a particularly good solution.

My recommendation is that, regardless of what package you use, if you are going to work with a file in more than a trivial way, you save your changes in a non-lossy compressed format. Then you can go back and edit the file as many times as you'd like without concern for compression induced image degredation.

It's also best if you can also make those changes in a way that allows you to selectively tweak or undo your changes. With pixel editors, that is typically done by using layers. With metadata editors, it is done by just changing your changes back. The main thing is not to make direct pixel edits and save in a way that doesn't allow you to undo or tweak those edits later. I don't think you have to be dogmatically pure with this approach with every single file you ever touch. It's just good practice that can save you work.

in that case you save as a psp image, and it saves the edits so when you reopen the file you can undo any changes etc..
 
I wouldn't recommend that anyone start out with the GIMP as their first advanced editor. Its interface is way out in left field compared to the accepted "norm" for user interfaces, and not just for photo editors.
 
in that case you save as a psp image, and it saves the edits so when you reopen the file you can undo any changes etc..

There are two very different ways of undoing changes made to a photo. In both Photoshop and PSP (of which I know very little but I do know that it supports layers), you should make your changes on layers rather than directly on the background (original photo). This gives you two methods for undoing changes.

Let's take the example of a picture that made a curves adjustment for some tonal corrections. You then made some adjustments to fix redeye. You then made some adjustments to soften the subjects skin. You then made some adjustments to correct a color cast in the shadows. Now you decide that you want to change the tonal corrections. Without layers you have two bad choices - undo all of your other changes until you get back to the tonal adjustments and then do everything again, or make additional tonal adjustments. The second is bad because repeatedly stretching and compressing the tonal range of the photograph is likely to introduce visible artifacts in the picture. With layers, you just go back to the tonal adjustment layer and change your adjustments there.
 
As far as saving originals, the newest PSP actually has auto preserve, so that it automatically saves the original untouched in a file the program creates in the folder you are working in. You can disable it if you are short on disc space, but otherwise it's a great feature.

But I also use layers and save as copy. Guess I'm paranoid, cuz I never go back and re-edit. :rolleyes:
 
There are two very different ways of undoing changes made to a photo. In both Photoshop and PSP (of which I know very little but I do know that it supports layers), you should make your changes on layers rather than directly on the background (original photo). This gives you two methods for undoing changes.

Let's take the example of a picture that made a curves adjustment for some tonal corrections. You then made some adjustments to fix redeye. You then made some adjustments to soften the subjects skin. You then made some adjustments to correct a color cast in the shadows. Now you decide that you want to change the tonal corrections. Without layers you have two bad choices - undo all of your other changes until you get back to the tonal adjustments and then do everything again, or make additional tonal adjustments. The second is bad because repeatedly stretching and compressing the tonal range of the photograph is likely to introduce visible artifacts in the picture. With layers, you just go back to the tonal adjustment layer and change your adjustments there.

uh yeh I know..I use layers all the time
 
I use Picasa. It is a free program from Google and it seems to do all I want it to do.
 
Thankyou also ! Tonight when my (financial officer) DW gets home I'll have her take a look into this.

So, the thing is, we actually HAVE some basic editing software already on our computer. DH just didn't know it was there. I also discovered my new laptop has Picasa 2 already on it for editing on the go. ;)

DH & I were checking out the different options on the program already loaded on the computer and it is definitely enough to keep DH busy for a little while. Once he gets used to his 2 dSLR cameras, the additional lenses, the external flash, and the photo editing stuff we already possess we will talk about more software.

Oh, but first he needs a tripod! :rolleyes1
 
So, the thing is, we actually HAVE some basic editing software already on our computer. DH just didn't know it was there. I also discovered my new laptop has Picasa 2 already on it for editing on the go. ;)

DH & I were checking out the different options on the program already loaded on the computer and it is definitely enough to keep DH busy for a little while. Once he gets used to his 2 dSLR cameras, the additional lenses, the external flash, and the photo editing stuff we already possess we will talk about more software.

Oh, but first he needs a tripod! :rolleyes1

not knowing what you have, i wish i had begun shooting in raw when i went from a slr to a dslr...the problem i see with most freebie type software is they don't do a great job with raw...world of diff between say canon photo pro( or pro photo whatever it's called) lightroom. imo kind of doing double work learning to use a program then unlearning/relearning another when you find it doesn't do what you need it to do in a few months...when you can get one for under $100 imo it's a pretty good investment.
 
not knowing what you have, i wish i had begun shooting in raw when i went from a slr to a dslr...the problem i see with most freebie type software is they don't do a great job with raw...world of diff between say canon photo pro( or pro photo whatever it's called) lightroom. imo kind of doing double work learning to use a program then unlearning/relearning another when you find it doesn't do what you need it to do in a few months...when you can get one for under $100 imo it's a pretty good investment.

DH is very, very new to photography. He bought the Olympus E410 (I think) on Black Friday to use at WDW in December. Then he ended up winning a Sony Alpha 100 in a contest at work. Then we bought the external flash and 2 lenses (a 50mm and a "beer can") for the Sony. He hasn't had that much time to learn about the cameras, play with the settings, view the results, etc. Without knowing what he needs in terms of software I think it would be wise for us to wait on any purchases. Once he can identify what he wants the software to do we can shop for some.

After he buys a tripod. ;)
 
DH is very, very new to photography. He bought the Olympus E410 (I think) on Black Friday to use at WDW in December. Then he ended up winning a Sony Alpha 100 in a contest at work. Then we bought the external flash and 2 lenses (a 50mm and a "beer can") for the Sony. He hasn't had that much time to learn about the cameras, play with the settings, view the results, etc. Without knowing what he needs in terms of software I think it would be wise for us to wait on any purchases. Once he can identify what he wants the software to do we can shop for some.

After he buys a tripod. ;)

When he buys it, get a decent one from the word go, otherwise you'll just end up with 2 of them anyway. Says the guy with at least 3 in his closet.
 
When he buys it, get a decent one from the word go, otherwise you'll just end up with 2 of them anyway. Says the guy with at least 3 in his closet.

The tripod or the software? :confused:

He reads on this forum every day, so I am sure he has gotten some good suggestions from you guys! :)
 
The tripod or the software? :confused:

He reads on this forum every day, so I am sure he has gotten some good suggestions from you guys! :)

The tripod. I bought a real cheap one the first time, the target variety, figured I don't use it that much no big deal. Wrong, then I got a light weight velabon, it was ok with my XT and a light lens, but no way was it holding a 40D with a 70-200 lens on it. So I ended up with a Slick 714CF that I absolutely love.
 
The tripod. I bought a real cheap one the first time, the target variety, figured I don't use it that much no big deal. Wrong, then I got a light weight velabon, it was ok with my XT and a light lens, but no way was it holding a 40D with a 70-200 lens on it. So I ended up with a Slick 714CF that I absolutely love.
glad to hear that about the velabon..i am tossing it over if i wanted to get one for just when i might need one due to hand shake or just use my monopod...i love the tripod i bought last yr but it is still heavish once i get the ball head on it if i am treking any distance with it...great for a car to few feet shot or at home but far = to much for me...and no money for a carbon type right now.
 







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