DVC Point Charts for 2011 - Post chart release discussion begins on Pg 14

[CMOORE185]

I used to be a Sun. to Thurs. user because I thought the point difference between weekend and weekdays was just too much. I always wished that disparity would decrease so I could extend my vacations more than 5 nights. I look at this as an opportunity to extend my vacations. Luckly I have enough points to do this. I understand the frustration though of people who bought just enough points to travel Sun. thru Thurs.

 

[kenny]

It goes both ways Chuck. I have 3 upcomming trips planned and they all will cost more points. You are in the lucky boat. Mine has sprung a leak.

Bailing a little also. For us if we take 8 nights (over two weeks) we are better off. More than that or certain 7 night stays we lose.

Unfortunately we usually go longer than 8 nights. that being said will cost us more pts or we will just need to scale back to 8 nights.

What I found though in general (not 100% of the time), the cheaper accomodations got cheaper and the more expensive got more expensive.

Standard Views in BWV/BLT are cheaper. MKV, up. OKW studio's split. Cheaper season got cheaper, high seasons went up.

AKV Savannah View increased.

Don't understand that, as now the cheaper accomodations (which tend to be more sort after) are even harder to get.

I think by doing this reallocation, home resort priority is going to start to make more of a difference now. I love my 2 home resorts, but also want to try them all. That is part of what I liked about and enticed me to buy DVC. We will see how this works out.

The other gripe I have is by changing pts 2 years in a row, if they keep this up it makes it very difficult to plan/bank/borrow from year to year as you have know idea what next year will bring and what you will need pt wise. Would be nice if changes could only happen every "set" amount of years. But that will never happen.

 

[wildernessDad]

2. I also asked about the new category "standard" GVs, since all GVs have savanna view, and asked where and how many there are, and got the following resonse:

"Standard Grand Villas were created for 2011 at Disney's Animal Kingdom Villas in the Kidani Village area only."

I have followed up with a question asking for more specifics on those GVs including how many and where in the resort they are but don't have a response yet.

Thanks for confirming what I was told. It does seem strange, however, so your follow up question is a good one and a question that MS CMs need to know the answer to.

 

[MICKEYFAN28]

It's frustrating. With the way I vacation it will make my point total go up another 19 points next year for the same trip I am taking this year. I already had to cut my trip one day shorter this year with last years allocation. That's going to be two days lost from my normal vacation. It is what it is but it's disappointing.

 

[Mickey'sApprentice]

I'm bailing water too! I didn't buy with specific time and accommodation in mind when I bought my points. I bought what I could afford and cater my trips with in the points I have. I have stayed in a 2 bedroom twice, and it is unlikely I'll be doing that anymore. Looks like I'll be taking the lesser accommodation route because of the higher point cost which completely goes against my reasoning for purchasing in the first place! The last two years have me really lowered the value to me of my ownership in DVC.

You read my mind, except it looks like I'll be going to Disney less. or buying more points.

We have catered our trips to the points that we have, or could borrow. Our 5 day trips to BWV/BW View has jumped from 65 to 75 points. Without even thinking about it...our pattern was 3 trips in 2 years (65 X 3 = 205). That works well with a 100 point contract.

The new math works out to 4 trips in 3 years, (75 X 4 = 300) and possibly planning the trips more carefully.

Now we have to ask: Do we go to 4 trips in 3 years? Do we buy 50 points and start going twice per year? Do we buy 25 points and stay with the pattern we had going? Do we start doing something else that involves weekends and standard views?

I admit...I'm pretty bummed about all of these changes.

I have less time to spend on the Boardwalk, and have to walk from the Hess Station to get there.

 

[TLSnell1981]

A point chart reallocation.

Obviously...ugh!! Third time's a charm...right?

 

[musical2]

This impact us negatively also. We are usually a 12 day in a row user. During the time we usually go, this amounts to an 18 point increase. Not much in the total scheme of things, but it does put a pinch in the points we have.

 

[bobbiwoz]

We have always taken 3 night weekend vacations as well as ones that extend into the following week. What this new allocation does for me is indicate just how "unsteady" the DVC point system is. The song that mentions the person who built to last on "weak and shifting sands" describes this so well. I suppose we all thought we could...we bought what we thought was right, only to have the building sway. If you buy more points and plan to go weekends, in a few years, you may be forced into the other pattern because weekends suddenly became overbooked and are once again expensive. The idea that the total points of a resort wasn't going to change didn't mean quite what we thought it meant.

I have printed out the new charts, but haven't taken the time to look at them and compare, and I probably won't compare. I never did it last year. I'll book what I can when I can. I don't have any desire to go to Universal regularly. My family and I have loved our DVC vacations, and we're looking foward to more of them.

Bobbi

 

[LIFERBABE]

We have always taken 3 night weekend vacations as well as ones that extend into the following week. What this new allocation does for me is indicate just how "unsteady" the DVC point system is. The song that mentions the person who built to last on "weak and shifting sands" describes this so well. I suppose we all thought we could...we bought what we thought was right, only to have the building sway. If you buy more points and plan to go weekends, in a few years, you may be forced into the other pattern because weekends suddenly became overbooked and are once again expensive. The idea that the total points of a resort wasn't going to change didn't mean quite what we thought it meant.

I have printed out the new charts, but haven't taken the time to look at them and compare, and I probably won't compare. I never did it last year. I'll book what I can when I can. I don't have any desire to go to Universal regularly. My family and I have loved our DVC vacations, and we're looking foward to more of them.

Bobbi

Well said Bobbi. JL made the comment that "you dont build a church for Easter Sunday"
Well it looks like Sun-Thur the church was full and Fri and Sat the Church was empty.
I wont compare either. I love my homes and my patterns were never established by the charts, more for the events being held. The new charts give us carte-blanche at the 11 month window.
As for Universal, Im sitting on $400 worth of unused passes from 5 years ago. If I ever go back there, it will be to get my money back.
I look at it this way. For many years the weekends have been higher and those members that utilized weekends bore the brunt.
In 2011 it has shifted and the points are almost even which cuts many members a break and does not ask any group of members to carry a skewed load. That's why I cannot be upset about this, because the distribution of points was spread across the membership.

 

[thelionqueen]

I just hope this is the end of all this allocation stuff!
I am not surprised or upset about the reallocation as it only affects our vacation habits slightly. I always thought the weekend numbers were WAY too high vs the weeknight stays, but this much changing in 2 years is getting out of hand!
We always go for at least 10 nights, so a weekend stay is required. Hopefully this will allow us to take the notion of "moving over the weekend to save points" logic out of our equation
I'm just glad we bought more points when we did and the price we did, because if we hadn't I know I would be MUCH more upset than I am now!!!

 

[jodifla]

You read my mind, except it looks like I'll be going to Disney less. or buying more points.

We have catered our trips to the points that we have, or could borrow. Our 5 day trips to BWV/BW View has jumped from 65 to 75 points. Without even thinking about it...our pattern was 3 trips in 2 years (65 X 3 = 205). That works well with a 100 point contract.

The new math works out to 4 trips in 3 years, (75 X 4 = 300) and possibly planning the trips more carefully.

Now we have to ask: Do we go to 4 trips in 3 years? Do we buy 50 points and start going twice per year? Do we buy 25 points and stay with the pattern we had going? Do we start doing something else that involves weekends and standard views?

I admit...I'm pretty bummed about all of these changes.

I have less time to spend on the Boardwalk, and have to walk from the Hess Station to get there.

Aren't there other options though? Like booking a couple of nights at a value, or an offsite location, or trying out Universal hotels?

 

[TisBit]

I also don't tend to sweat over the reallocation or compare points from one vacation to another. This year we were going and considering doing something different on Fri and Sat, maybe if a similar situation presents itself in 2011 we will just decide to stay put through the weekend.

Many people vacationed Sun-Thurs in DVC because of the high costs of weekends, now that is not there and I am sure vacation habits will adjust accordingly. I am glad that I won't feel ripped off booking a Fri or Sat, many times they cost just as much or more than 4-5 weekdays......

 

[jodifla]

i also don't tend to sweat over the reallocation or compare points from one vacation to another. This year we were going and considering doing something different on fri and sat, maybe if a similar situation presents itself in 2011 we will just decide to stay put through the weekend.

Many people vacationed sun-thurs in dvc because of the high costs of weekends, now that is not there and i am sure vacation habits will adjust accordingly. i am glad that i won't feel ripped off booking a fri or sat, many times they cost just as much or more than 4-5 weekdays......:confused3

ita!

 

[jamstew]

The changes didn't affect me much on my BCV and VWL contracts, but I really took at hit on my 60 points at BLT. I bought enough to stay 3 weeknights nights in a MK view Adventure Season or 3 nights in a LV in May, with a small (9 point) cushion. My cushion just dropped to 3 points Since 3 nights in an MK resort is long enough, it's okay, but another reallocation in the same direction will definitely change my on-site stays. Although I hate the idea of staying offsite, I'm really happy that I bought Bonnet Creek to supplement Disney!

 

[babster462]

I have reservations for 3 vacations in 2010. I looked at the 2011 point charts and if I took the exact same vacations in 2011 I would save points on all of them. I think the point allocation was needed because weekend days were ridiculous as compared to weekdays so no wonder everyone went from Sunday through Thursday. I am glad that DVC has made it more equal across the board. I will continue to vacation 3-4 times a year and will enjoy being able to include the weekends now!!

 

[tjkraz]

Don't understand that, as now the cheaper accomodations (which tend to be more sort after) are even harder to get.

Personal preference aside, I don't know if that's really true. The BoardWalk view at BWV seems to attract a significant number of guests despite the existence of lower-priced Standard View. The same is true at BLT (MK View vs. Standard) and AKV (Standard & Value vs. Savanna.)

While some people (myself included) don't care a whole lot about the view and will often take the lesser room for lesser points, it seems like there are a lot of people who prefer to pay the premium price for a premium view.

I didn't look real closely to see how I did in this change...mostly because we don't have any set patterns for WDW and haven't even decided when/where we will stay in 2011 and beyond.

Our VGC ownership did take a hit. I was hoping that we could go 2 out of every 3 years with our 100 point add-on, probably using some WDW points to book a couple nights at 7 months. Now our 100 points will barely get us 5 nights every-other-year. I don't have any immediate plans to add-on, we'll just take a wait and see approach.

We often book the Standard View at BWV so I don't think we're impacted greatly given on our ownership there.

I will say this--the reallocation came at a time in our ownership where it has actually helped nudge us toward a better vacation pattern. Back when we first bought it was for Sunday-Thursday use. The kids were young and we had more flexibility in traveling. Our first few trips on points were May, December and May to get three 5-night trips under a single set of APs. But between school and travel costs, it makes a lot more sense to trim those 3 trips to 2 longer stays, even if it means we lose a couple of nights in the process.

 

[kenny]

... it seems like there are a lot of people who prefer to pay the premium price for a premium view.

Agreed. I am actually one of those people. We are staying BLT standard in Nov but that is not the norm and DW is already teasing that I am going to have a freak out because I won't have "my view".

My claim was more based on reading posts on these boards that BWV and BLT std are two of the more difficult to get if you don't book at 11 months. Nothing wrong with that, everyone always says buy where you want to stay, just think this may start being more the case then in the past.

Only time will tell.

 

[needtogomore]

For me, this is a big concern. We normally vacation for 6-7 nights ...a couple times a year. I do believe the weekends will be gobbled up. What's the remedy for this issue? Adding on won't solve it.

whats to stop big point renters booking all the weekends, effectivley blocking others from booking full weeks?

 

[photobob]

whats to stop big point renters booking all the weekends, effectivley blocking others from booking full weeks?

Owners living close by will definitely be jumping on the weekends.

 

[Bouncin-Tigger]

After running some dates and adding up some point for our 3 yearly vacations and we go during slower seasons (Jan,May,and Sept.) our points for 1 week each trip to stay at 1 bedroom has increased 26 points. Which really isnt that big of a deal but in a few more years it really will add up.