DVC at Caribbean Beach?

[crewmatt]

Yea, the only way this would realistically work was if the rooms there cost a very small number of points and the cost per point is in line with the cost of the other DVC resorts. They could then relax the 160 point minimum (i think this is the case) when you first buy in. Alternatively they could build a deluxe resort (with its own restaurants, pools, and transportation) within a resort (similar to how the treehouses are fairly separate from SSR) but I dont think they have the room there to do this.

I'm intrigued by the possibility of this as it would potentially lower the cost of entry for DVC - however it would have to be done in such a way that the people that bought in could realistically still use their membership at the other resorts but at the same time ensuring the rough balance of the resorts is maintained - if they add 100000 more points to the system but no one wants to stay there it would stress the existing properties. So it either has to be a deluxe caliber hotel, or it has to be cheaper point wise then any of the other DVC resorts are to make up for the lack of deluxe amenities.

 

[hayesdvc]

What would stop DVD from building new deluxe accommodations at a WDW moderate resort ?

 

[disneynutz]

Disney's deluxe resort designation is based on resort amenities, finishes, restaurants, even landscaping. I don't see how they can have a deluxe DVC inside a moderate resort.

Bill

 

[huey578]

Couldn't they just build deluxe villas there and just call it by a different name?

 

[disneynutz]

Couldn't they just build deluxe villas there and just call it by a different name?

If they had the room but as posted DVD likes using an existing resorts amenities and infrastructure to reduce their construction costs. Less cost more profit and then DVC helps pay for the original resorts operating costs. A win, win for Disney.

Bill

 

[jerseyduke]

First word on the page we are talking about:

"Rumor"

But even if it were true, it can be its own entity. People buying there might have no right whatsoever to use their points at the now existing DVC resorts, and vice versa. (And this is how I would imagine it would be).

Obviously DVC makes money off of those who want to stay at "Deluxe" properties. There are plenty of people that are perfectly happy at POR(for example) and to them, DVC is of no interest...so why not target them with a Moderate DVC offering, that is part of a different 'system'.

Eventually Disney is going to need more rooms, their occupancy is getting up there, and they are missing a lot of people booking rooms who do not want to pay deluxe prices.

Many nights I see, and the only thing available is Deluxe. However that does tend to be on short notice.

I do see Disney building more rooms in the near future one way or another

 

[keishashadow]

I wish they could tear down the ugly Swan and Dolphin hotels and build a new DVC there - a nice sprawling Caribbean themed resort would fit well with BCV and BW. But I know that's just a dream.

IDK it's my understanding it's very popular with Starwood point users and international guests. Me, I like looking at it when we stay 'home' @ BWV, if only to divert my attention from my buddy the clown lol

Yea, the only way this would realistically work was if the rooms there cost a very small number of points and the cost per point is in line with the cost of the other DVC resorts. They could then relax the 160 point minimum (i think this is the case) when you first buy in. Alternatively they could build a deluxe resort (with its own restaurants, pools, and transportation) within a resort (similar to how the treehouses are fairly separate from SSR) but I dont think they have the room there to do this.

I'm intrigued by the possibility of this as it would potentially lower the cost of entry for DVC - however it would have to be done in such a way that the people that bought in could realistically still use their membership at the other resorts but at the same time ensuring the rough balance of the resorts is maintained - if they add 100000 more points to the system but no one wants to stay there it would stress the existing properties. So it either has to be a deluxe caliber hotel, or it has to be cheaper point wise then any of the other DVC resorts are to make up for the lack of deluxe amenities.

As stated earlier a boutique deluxe would likely work as long as they offered certain perks within the resort to compete with the other resorts. Perhaps even an extra FP per day?

IMO lesser point buy in would only work if a new level of membership is incorporated (DVC Lite?) wherein these owners could only stay @ that specific resort (or future moderates if you will).

Many felt 'the stress' when the large # of SSR memberships were added as to increased difficulty to switch to popular resorts @ 7 months. Admit it is nice to usually be able to grab a room there relatively last minute. However, the last thing DVC needs is a another resort added, that many might consider 'moderate', with ability to book at a 'deluxe' @ 7 months.

 

[disneynutz]

First word on the page we are talking about:

"Rumor"

But even if it were true, it can be its own entity. People buying there might have no right whatsoever to use their points at the now existing DVC resorts, and vice versa. (And this is how I would imagine it would be).

Obviously DVC makes money off of those who want to stay at "Deluxe" properties. There are plenty of people that are perfectly happy at POR(for example) and to them, DVC is of no interest...so why not target them with a Moderate DVC offering, that is part of a different 'system'.

Eventually Disney is going to need more rooms, their occupancy is getting up there, and they are missing a lot of people booking rooms who do not want to pay deluxe prices.

Many nights I see, and the only thing available is Deluxe. However that does tend to be on short notice.

I do see Disney building more rooms in the near future one way or another

They need more rooms and yet they continue to convert rooms to DVC, 50% of WL is going DVC. Apparently DVC makes Disney money besides, selling contracts.

Bill

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

They need more rooms and yet they continue to convert rooms to DVC, 50% of WL is going DVC. Apparently DVC makes Disney money besides, selling contracts.

Bill

I thought that during a shareholders call last year they shared that their resorts are not fully booked - thus the justification for letting DVC pay for a share. Albeit the numbers I saw in general would be quite good for the hotel industry but Iger seemed to have an expectation of 100% occupancy - which is what DVC pretty much provides as it's sold for that.

 

[tjkraz]

But even if it were true, it can be its own entity. People buying there might have no right whatsoever to use their points at the now existing DVC resorts, and vice versa. (And this is how I would imagine it would be).

This topic of a "separate system" comes up every time a new DVC is rumored or announced.

It's not even worth considering. The single most powerful marketing tool DVC has at its disposal is the existence of 13 current properties. Disney would never create a separate system. They will always market the product as "yes, you're buying at ____ resort but you can still use points to stay at the Beach Club, Contemporary, Grand Californian..."

Selling ownership at a single resort is a non-starter.

I thought that during a shareholders call last year they shared that their resorts are not fully booked - thus the justification for letting DVC pay for a share. Albeit the numbers I saw in general would be quite good for the hotel industry but Iger seemed to have an expectation of 100% occupancy - which is what DVC pretty much provides as it's sold for that.

Unconfirmed (really unconformable) information suggests that Disney Deluxe resorts are the segment suffering the most. Between the inflated prices and existence of DVC (and rentals), occupancy at Deluxes reportedly isn't what it once was. That's why many of the conversions are occurring.

Moderates, Values and Suites are doing better. And if this rumor is true, the villas would be all new construction and wouldn't take any of the Moderate rooms out of circulation.

 

[OKW Lover]

If blindfold someone and spun them around 3 times would they be able to tell the difference between OKW and CBR?

Having stayed at both, yes easily.

I wish they could tear down the ugly Swan and Dolphin hotels and build a new DVC there - a nice sprawling Caribbean themed resort would fit well with BCV and BW. But I know that's just a dream.

Especially since the Swolphin are owned by Tishman Companies and operate under a long-term (99 years?) lease.

Disney's deluxe resort designation is based on resort amenities, finishes, restaurants, even landscaping. I don't see how they can have a deluxe DVC inside a moderate resort.

It wouldn't have to be inside a moderate resort. It could just be near by but still be a deluxe DVC resort.
Or, they could indeed build a moderate DVC and just charge fewer points per night for those wanting something like that.

I thought that during a shareholders call last year they shared that their resorts are not fully booked

Actually they said that their resorts are well over 90% booked (perhaps the number was 94%?) and are the envy of the hospitality business. Its close to impossible to get higher than that on a year-round basis.

 

[KAT4DISNEY]

Unconfirmed (really unconformable) information suggests that Disney Deluxe resorts are the segment suffering the most. Between the inflated prices and existence of DVC (and rentals), occupancy at Deluxes reportedly isn't what it once was. That's why many of the conversions are occurring.

Moderates, Values and Suites are doing better. And if this rumor is true, the villas would be all new construction and wouldn't take any of the Moderate rooms out of circulation.

Ah yes, that was it. WL was particularly low as I recall (in the rumor) and GF also seemed to be suffering more than some.

 

[Disn3yVision]

Disney's Caribbean Beach Resort and the proposed parcel of land was specifically chosen because the shoreline will allow for the construction of over-the-water bungalows. If the current proposal is approved, expect PVB-inspired bungalows, but at a lower point cost.

Also, it seems as though there will be an island community, comparable to the other existing sections, and not a tower, which was originally speculated in 2014.

I find this hard to believe. No way they could charge what they are for those bungalows at poly if the build cheaper alternatives at cbr.

 

[Sammie]

I find this hard to believe. No way they could charge what they are for those bungalows at poly if the build cheaper alternatives at cbr.

They wouldn't necessarily be cheaper in size, etc but could be in less points needed to book. I think this would be successful.

 

[Dean]

Whether this happens or not is unknown but I've argued before that it wouldn't be a stretch and would be EASY to do and to tie in to the existing DVC structure. We already have 2 resorts that are more moderate in location and feel. Other than the "moderate" label, an appropriate DVC at an existing moderate could easily have everything that OKW and SSR have with no real adjustments at all. And truthfully it wouldn't automatically be the lowest rated resort, it could easily be above SSR and OKW with no special features and with special features could easily rival the next tier. Of course they could do it as a separate project but I doubt that'll happen. The one holdback I see is DVD's own greed in that they might try to go for higher points or smaller villas and that could be the downfall if they do.

 

[gdrj]

I suppose they could make it work by charging lower points per night, but keeping the costs to buy in the same as they are now. This would then make the points worth the same as current points for trading. Now given that I can get a standard studio at BWV for 10 points a night at certain times of the year, how low would the CBR DVC points have to be to make it worth the effort to trade there occasionally.

That kind of model seems totally opposite to what has been happening lately with each resort costing more and more points per night and prices per point going up.

You're funny...DVC charging less points! Most people would never think that DVC could charge a $160 a point, or anywhere from 115 to over 200 points a night in a bungalow. Throw a tower up with a fitness center or a community center on the first floor and bam you have a "Deluxe DVC"

 

[drusba]

I wish they could tear down the ugly Swan and Dolphin hotels and build a new DVC there - a nice sprawling Caribbean themed resort would fit well with BCV and BW. But I know that's just a dream.

Not even a possible consideration. The Swan and Dolphin are on land Disney leased to the applicable owners of the hotels, Tishman group and MetLife, for which Sheraton is the managing agent, under a 99 year lease that does not expire until about sometime in the 2080's. To do what you wish would require Disney to buy back the lease and buy the hotels, the price of which would include valuation of the future income stream to be lost by the owners, for an amount Disney has no desire to pay, and then also pay for demolition of the buildings and building of the DVC resort.

Have no idea if the rumor of a Carribean DVC has any validity but there is no barrier to doing a typical DVC resort (not in any way "moderate" in room size, price per point, or points per night) that would be part of the exisitng DVC system on a property that has an existing moderate Disney resort, something we know Disney has already come close to doing before at Fort Wilderness.​

 

[SpaceMountain77]

I find this hard to believe. No way they could charge what they are for those bungalows at poly if the build cheaper alternatives at cbr.

Most DVC resorts offer grand villa accommodations, which vary significantly in point price. The cabin/bungalow offering is no different.

 

[DebbieB]

I think the "moderate" part could be lower points per night, in line with OKW or SSR. The recently opened resorts points per night have gone way up. The location rumored could not command high points per night. Theoretically, the purchase price per point covers Disney's construction costs so I don't see that going down.

 

[hayesdvc]

I think the "moderate" part could be lower points per night, in line with OKW or SSR.

Outside of the monorail resorts, SSR points are in the middle of the pack with AKV, etc. BWV and OKW have the cheapest points. IMO, the BWV points per night will be the tough comparison for a moderate at lower points per night. Currently the AKV value rooms are the cheapest point per night, however, I would think most people would consider the BWV standard room the better overall value (point comparison, room size, location). Using BWV as an example, IMO whether to stay at a moderate let's stay for 5 points less versus a deluxe given the opportunity would be an easy decision for most to make.