DVC and Deluxe should get more FP+ and an earlier window

[Lavitz]

Joined on DIS on Halloween last year. Made a few posts recently about the amazing/confounding lack of trolls on this board. I'm learning towards very, very, very good stealth troll topic here though. I come to these boards sometimes to avoid these topics on other boards, but they're so rare here I don't mind giving kudos where kudos is deserved. I tip my hat to you good sir/madam.

 

[olwyngdh]

So, OP, quit complaining. You're nothing special.

I think the OP is very special. After all, Dante reserved a two whole circles for gluttony and greed so the OP can have a choice of accomodations.

 

[disneyworlddreaming]

OP, you have got to be kidding right?!
You've bought yourself a overstuffed swanky bed to sleep at night willingly for $20k. That's it. (Please no one else take any offence, I mean this ONLY to OP).
Why would Disney treat you with a silver platter? They want get the families like myself coming back every year or two (which we do).
Get over yourself and your sense of entitlement. DVC is not the "cool kids" table in high school. We have probably spent close to as much as you have paid for DVC in the last 7 years, and will keep coming back and doing this again and spending more.

 

[scottandtisha]

Let's say a family spent three years saving for a new car. But the BMW dealership refused to sell them a new BMW for the amount they had saved.

Why should the BMW dealership treat them less than they would treat someone who had more money who didn't have to save for three years?

You're an idiot. Truly feel sorry for the people around you who have to put up with you ... especially if you have children.
Don't give a rip if I get "banned".

 

[dizprincess717]

If they give more to certain tiers or in other words, create classes then I hope that the "lower classes" balk against that. That is just plain creepy IMO.

I can't imagine Disney doing that. This is not the Titanic with 3rd, 2nd and 1st class. You pay for your choice of accommodations, and we're all paying the same $$ for park tickets. Except for the very rare discounted ticket options. I agree, it would be very creepy and just not fair.

I think the OP is very special. After all, Dante reserved a two whole circles for gluttony and greed so the OP can have a choice of accomodations.

TRUE. Although I wouldn't be so surprised if we get a reply from OP saying how he should have magnificent accommodations in BOTH circles. Because he paid "so much more to get there" than anyone else along with him.

 

[Luvchefmic]

You're an idiot. Truly feel sorry for the people around you who have to put up with you ... especially if you have children.
Don't give a rip if I get "banned".

I HOPE that wouldn't happen to you but you forgot to add the poor CMs that will have to deal with this person especially upon check in, housekeeping, etc.

Sometimes I wish we would have to wear our Dis User ID's prominently displayed when in the parks there are a growing number I would LOVE to meet

 

[Huey]

As far as I can see the OP believes they should get less FP+.

The timeshare is a contractual right to stay at a property, nothing more, and certainly has nothing to do with Disney parks.

OP gets a discounted AP which allows entry into the parks for, let's say, $2 per day. This is 1/50th the price of a day ticket.

Therefore if we are working on who pays most to get into the parks then the one day ticket holder should get 150 FP+ to OP's 3.

Make sense??

 

[SallySkelington]

OP's attitude is just so un-Disney-like. I'm sure Walt would be rolling in his grave.

However, on the brighter side this gives me a better understanding of DVC.

 

[maxiesmom]

Exactly. He's buying bulk. Just because I get a crate of toilet paper at costco with a larger upfront investment, it doesn't mean I expect special bathrooms. (I think I just made this argument even sillier. Yay me.)

Anyway, this whole argument is moot. This is about accommodations. You are already getting your deserved perks. Nicer, closer restaurants, bigger rooms, better amenities, and a large room in which to sinisterly pet a hairless cat (I'm just guessing on that last one - I'm a vulgar value resort customer so I am not entirely familiar).

One of the best posts ever!!

 

[ponyboy]

If they give more to certain tiers or in other words, create classes then I hope that the "lower classes" balk against that. That is just plain creepy IMO.

People don't balk when they're squished in the back of a plane with a bag of peanuts and no room to even stretch while the people in 1st class are drinking mimosas and watching TV in a lazyboy. They still pack in like cattle

It's not unreasonable to expect more perks when your paying more for an upgrade or a higher tier something or other. Whether what the OP thinks is reasonable for DVC owners though is up to Disney to decide.

It does make perfect sense for them to tier the FP+ system though.

 

[ponyboy]

One of the best posts ever!!

Except he's not just buying bulk to save money. He's buying bulk of the highest priced item because that's the only way it's sold, other than "samples" that don't include all of the other perks of ownership.

 

[dpswift]

I completely disagree. I made a bigger commitment that you-I moved here. if anyone should get more it should be locals and local AP

It is not fair that you tourists come here and back up our roads and get in our way.

This I have to agree with. I would love to live in Central Florida and have an AP. However even if you were allowed the same booking windows as onsite guests how would you be able to plan meals 6 months in advance. Also FPt is unfair to locals as well. Gone are the days of deciding on Friday to go to Disney on Saturday.

 

[maxiesmom]

People don't balk when they're squished in the back of a plane with a bag of peanuts and no room to even stretch while the people in 1st class are drinking mimosas and watching TV in a lazyboy. They still pack in like cattle

It's not unreasonable to expect more perks when your paying more for an upgrade or a higher tier something or other. Whether what the OP thinks is reasonable for DVC owners though is up to Disney to decide.

It does make perfect sense for them to tier the FP+ system though.

Except for the fact that Disney treats everyone the same in the parks. So to them it is apparent what you pay for a resort does not equal better treatment in the parks. They are separate things.

As with any other item for sale you are buying what the seller is offering. And not what you think they should be offering.

 

[doconeill]

People don't balk when they're squished in the back of a plane with a bag of peanuts and no room to even stretch while the people in 1st class are drinking mimosas and watching TV in a lazyboy. They still pack in like cattle

But there is a bit of a difference. Both are purchasing a plane ticket to travel somewhere. One is buying a ticket that specifically comes with more amenities that the other does not.

In the case of DVC, he paid for - AND IS GETTING, I might add - more amenities than the one paying for a value room. They are just all at the resort. That's all he paid for, that's all DVC is contracted to provide. DisneyParks, which is NOT the same as DVC, is not contractually obligated to provide ANYTHING to DVC members. EVERYTHING you get outside of the the resort and the DVC system itself is a negotiated perk that is not contractually obligated or required in any way - DisneyParks provides it as a "thank you" for being such a loyal customer, but they don't have to.

 

[Stinky_Pete]

OP, you've used the analogy of purchasing a higher-cost ticket to a ball game and how you get more perks from that. Not a valid analogy in my opinion. In this instance, you purchased a "real estate interest" in a resort (that's how they said it when I purchased). You get the perks that are associated with that. More space, deluxe resort amenities, location, etc.

You don't get any perks associated with the theme parks unless they're specified in your contract, or DVC decides to negotiate a deal with another arm of the WDW company to offer you something, based on their marketing needs. Those deals are transitory. You are currently (generously) offered a discount on an AP, but you're not paying more to access the theme parks than I am. If you were, I think you might have a valid argument as to why you were entitled to additional perks.

When I purchased DVC at BoardWalk in '99 there was no discount for park admission to DVC owners. So instead of saying that because they're now offering DVC owners a discount on APs somehow makes DVC responsible to offer even more in-park perks to owners, I think you should be glad of what you do get.

I remember hearing that people who purchased early, at OKW, got free park passes for a time. Not in my contract, so I don't get it.

When I purchased, we could pool hop everywhere...including Stormalong Bay. It was a nice perk to be able to walk over to the Yacht and Beach Club to use Stormalong Bay. Once Beach Club Villas were constructed that perk ended. Again, that wasn't in my contract, so I'm not entitled to it.

I remember similar discussions in the past on these boards related to this. "Oh, I think because we've made this commitment we should get more." Like others have already said - Why? They already have your money.

Fast Pass existed a long time before FP+. Even though Disney could have made it a tiered system based on resort level, they never did. I doubt they will now, nor do I think they should.

 

[dizprincess717]

Except he's not just buying bulk to save money. He's buying bulk of the highest priced item because that's the only way it's sold, other than "samples" that don't include all of the other perks of ownership.

I am no math-wiz nor am I an expert on DVC. But what I've gathered is the following:

$20,000 for a 30-year contract. That breaks down to $667 a year. So a 7 night stay would be about $95 a night at a Deluxe Villa property - be it a studio, 1-bedroom or 2-bedroom, however many points he purchased. Plus annual dues - maybe $600/year? So add that on and we're at $181/night for a Deluxe Villa property. A studio at OKW during low season goes for $300-ish a night.

So yes, he's buying in bulk for a 30-year guarantee. And if OP opts to not go that year, he can always try to "sell" his points online.

 

[doconeill]

Except for the fact that Disney treats everyone the same in the parks. So to them it is apparent what you pay for a resort does not equal better treatment in the parks. They are separate things.

Although they moved away from the "equal in the parks" philosophy, at least between onsite and offsite guests, first when they introduced EMH, and then now with advanced FP+ booking windows.

 

[maxiesmom]

Although they moved away from the "equal in the parks" philosophy, at least between onsite and offsite guests, first when they introduced EMH, and then now with advanced FP+ booking windows.

I should have clarified: They see their on site guests as the same, no matter which Disney resort they are staying at. In the parks they are treated as equals.

 

[Planogirl]

People don't balk when they're squished in the back of a plane with a bag of peanuts and no room to even stretch while the people in 1st class are drinking mimosas and watching TV in a lazyboy. They still pack in like cattle

It's not unreasonable to expect more perks when your paying more for an upgrade or a higher tier something or other. Whether what the OP thinks is reasonable for DVC owners though is up to Disney to decide.

It does make perfect sense for them to tier the FP+ system though.

Sure I'll go for that when some people pay less to get into the parks than others. People in first class pay considerably more than those in the back.

 

[ponyboy]

But there is a bit of a difference. Both are purchasing a plane ticket to travel somewhere. One is buying a ticket that specifically comes with more amenities that the other does not.

In the case of DVC, he paid for - AND IS GETTING, I might add - more amenities than the one paying for a value room. They are just all at the resort. That's all he paid for, that's all DVC is contracted to provide. DisneyParks, which is NOT the same as DVC, is not contractually obligated to provide ANYTHING to DVC members. EVERYTHING you get outside of the the resort and the DVC system itself is a negotiated perk that is not contractually obligated or required in any way - DisneyParks provides it as a "thank you" for being such a loyal customer, but they don't have to.

I'm not saying that he deserves any more than he paid for. I'm just saying that it's not unreasonable that Disney would provide tiered FP+ perks for DVC and on site resorts and I wouldn't be surprised if they do in the future to encourage more people to stay on site or at the higher priced resorts. It's an easy way to increase their revenue without any additional cost to them and it increases the value of staying onsite or at the upper tier resorts or buying DVC.

Ultimately it's for Disney to decide though.