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[eticketplease]

Higher point chart I think.

Take a DVC studio for example. The combined cost of housekeeping, front desk, towels, linens, supplies, pool, transportation, etc are probably very similar across resorts, and make up a large portion of the dues. Say this stuff costs roughly $80 a night. If a resort averages 14pts a night for a studio, $5.71 of the dues will need to cover it. A resort with 18pts/nt average will only need $4.44 of the dues to cover it.

Plenty of other things affect dues too, but this helps offset many of them. Like the more points that share maintaining a roof, the lower dues/pt needed to cover it. Budget components vary across resorts, like one landscaping bill might be much higher or lower than average. Overall though, having higher than average points needed per night will helps to dilute shared costs.

I wonder if housekeeping includes transportation costs? For some resorts CFW, HHI, OKW & SSR they are going around and transporting supplies in Golf carts as they are not easily accessible from down the hall as most resorts.

 

[havoc315]

Higher point chart I think.

Take a DVC studio for example. The combined cost of housekeeping, front desk, towels, linens, supplies, pool, transportation, etc are probably very similar across resorts, and make up a large portion of the dues. Say this stuff costs roughly $80 a night. If a resort averages 14pts a night for a studio, $5.71 of the dues will need to cover it. A resort with 18pts/nt average will only need $4.44 of the dues to cover it.

Plenty of other things affect dues too, but this helps offset many of them. Like the more points that share maintaining a roof, the lower dues/pt needed to cover it. Budget components vary across resorts, like one landscaping bill might be much higher or lower than average. Overall though, having higher than average points needed per night helps to dilute shared costs.

THIS. It’s why the 2 highest point charts — Poly and Grand Floridian, have the lower dues. And it’s a big reason contributing to the cabins having the highest dues. (In addition to higher cost of maintaining individual cabins) .

 

[bookbabe626]

If you are buying resale now, then most likely CCV still since it went up less than SSR and BLT
If you are buying direct now, probably Poly (or VGF 2 years ago if you have a time machine)

My direct VGF bought in 2023 is the only thing that’s consoling me about my resale OKW bought in 2024. If there was longer on the OKW contract, I’d consider selling it, but I do need the points I have so then I’d have to buy something else, and then the various fees and price differences would just eat up any dues savings, so I might as well keep it…or at least that’s how my DVC Math is leaning. My dues per point is only $9.75 when I average out all the contracts, so I’m convincing myself that as long as it stays under $10 I’m still saving tons of money…

 

[VGCgroupie]

Higher point chart I think.

Take a DVC studio for example. The combined cost of housekeeping, front desk, towels, linens, supplies, pool, transportation, etc are probably very similar across resorts, and make up a large portion of the dues. Say this stuff costs roughly $80 a night. If a resort averages 14pts a night for a studio, $5.71 of the dues will need to cover it. A resort with 18pts/nt average will only need $4.44 of the dues to cover it.

Plenty of other things affect dues too, but this helps offset many of them. Like the more points that share maintaining a roof, the lower dues/pt needed to cover it. Budget components vary across resorts, like one landscaping bill might be much higher or lower than average. Overall though, having higher than average points needed per night helps to dilute shared costs.

I know many say this but I just dont get it. Since CCV is relatively low has low % increases and has a great point chart, up until this round of increases BLT increases and dues are low and also has a good point chart.

 

[VGCgroupie]

The aloha spirit is getting mad that you have forgotten one...

Added. So it was mainly DLR that screwed me this year.

 

[MerlinandtheMouse]

Wasn't RIV supposed to get a big tax credit? Is the new dues number before or after that tax credit?

EDIT: NVM found the info, the total is before the credit thankfully. Which makes sense otherwise the dues would have been going up over $1 which would be nuts

It’s before. The tax credit will offset the amount you owe (by about $0.60/point as I recall).

Just to help my understanding, the tax credit will be added in the next few weeks before the dues are due right? This should put RIV back to ~$8.85…so no increase at all pretty much? And is this tax credit only represented in this year’s dues? So for next year, the start point of dues is actually $9.4553 and whatever increase is on top of that?

 

[Tatebeck]

I know many say this but I just dont get it. Since CCV is relatively low has low % increases and has a great point chart, up until this round of increases BLT increases and dues are low and also has a good point chart.

CCV is weird, but in a way it does still benefit from a higher point chart as well.

They carried over the point cost for Studios through 2BR from BRV, but they also then added both 3BR grand villas AND the Cascade cabins which are both very high in point costs. They were able to sell a bunch of extra points because of those 2 room types and then the "average" room cost of CCV is actually much higher than BRV even though most of the rooms have the same points cost. So the dues will be spread over more members than somewhere like BRV without expensive rooms, or BLT who has 3BRs but no extra premium category like the cabungalows.

This is also the reason it is so hard to get a studio there during busy periods. They effectively sold the 3BR/Cabin points to mostly members who actually wanted to stay in a studio every year

 

[Tatebeck]

Just to help my understanding, the tax credit will be added in the next few weeks before the dues are due right? This should put RIV back to ~$8.85…so no increase at all pretty much? And is this tax credit only represented in this year’s dues? So for next year, the start point of dues is actually $9.4553 and whatever increase is on top of that?

Yes I think that is right

 

[VGCgroupie]

Just to help my understanding, the tax credit will be added in the next few weeks before the dues are due right? This should put RIV back to ~$8.85…so no increase at all pretty much? And is this tax credit only represented in this year’s dues? So for next year, the start point of dues is actually $9.4553 and whatever increase is on top of that?

Pretty sure yes. Last year I tried very hard to find a resource that published the actual final dues after adjustments and I could not find one. Each resort potentially will have an adjustment as far as I am aware. Just not all will go down. Most will go up. @pkrieger2287 having the final numbers would be a great blog post!

 

[Genie+]

I know many say this but I just dont get it. Since CCV is relatively low has low % increases and has a great point chart, up until this round of increases BLT increases and dues are low and also has a good point chart.

BLT has a pretty high overall average points per night. The bulk of it is lakeview, it generally does have a premium point-wise over most other non-monorail area resorts, and tpv helps up that average as well. CCV has the high point cabins to help dilute costs the CCV dues share.

Look at OKW. They have 2 things not working in their favor and it shows. The average points needed per night is the lowest, yet it is really spread out. That second part really hurt it when wages increased. Housekeeping, maintenance, landscaping, etc. A resort like RIV is much more efficient in that regard.

 

[Genie+]

I’m trying to find my new dues bill but looking at last year (2025 dues):

VGF operating cost per dues point was $5.00

BWV operating cost per dues point was $5.90



I’m curious about this cost at OKW and CFW.

Eta - OKW $7.22 and CFW $8.55

Spread out and lowest point averages per room and per occupancy

 

[eticketplease]

My direct VGF bought in 2023 is the only thing that’s consoling me about my resale OKW bought in 2024. If there was longer on the OKW contract, I’d consider selling it, but I do need the points I have so then I’d have to buy something else, and then the various fees and price differences would just eat up any dues savings, so I might as well keep it…or at least that’s how my DVC Math is leaning. My dues per point is only $9.75 when I average out all the contracts, so I’m convincing myself that as long as it stays under $10 I’m still saving tons of money…

Borrow EVERY Point into this year then as next year you will certainly be above $10.

OKW has certainly seen some bigger increases over the last couple of years but its average increase is 4.245% for the life of the resort which I don't think is bad.
Of course your VGF has fared better with 3.36% average but it has not been open as long either.

 

[mkatsy]

Seriously though what’s VGF secret to staying so low?

I’m going to propose a theory that may offend some but that’s never stopped me before. low point chart rentals attract customers that beat the snot out of the property, and leave a Herculean mess for housekeeping. They are not owners, their financial investment is limited to the current trip. Higher end rentals attract higher end guests.

 

[VGCgroupie]

I’m going to propose a theory that may offend some but that’s never stopped me before. low point chart rentals attract customers that beat the snot out of the property, and leave a Herculean mess for housekeeping. They are not owners, their financial investment is limited to the current trip. Higher end rentals attract higher end guests.

Not gonna lie. I thought about this. VGF was so fancy I felt like I needed to be careful with my sweaty self just walking through the lobby.

 

[KPeterso]

Just to help my understanding, the tax credit will be added in the next few weeks before the dues are due right? This should put RIV back to ~$8.85…so no increase at all pretty much? And is this tax credit only represented in this year’s dues? So for next year, the start point of dues is actually $9.4553 and whatever increase is on top of that?

Next year will start at the higher due cost that would be the dues this year if not for the credit. At least that is what they did with VGC during Covid when it was closed for a year. I don't remember exact numbers but as an example, we paid $7.50 in 2020 and then it was raised to $8.00 in 2021 and then a credit of $.25 per point so actually paying $7.75 for 2021. But in 2022, the dues went up a percentage from the $8.00 to $8.25.

 

[Stank]

Wages but also construction materials - aren't they higher than usual because of the new tariffs on imported goods?
And no, I don't want to get into politics.

Lumber is down over -13% the past year despite a +10% tariff.

 

[Sandisw]

DVD retains no less than 2 percent of the total ownership interests in each unit declared in theCondominium and is responsible for annual dues with respect to its retained or unsold ownershipinterests. DVD has retained ownership interests equivalent to approximately 280,776 vacation points.In addition, DVD had unsold ownership interests equivalent to approximately 155,631 vacation pointsas of December 31, 2024. During the year ended December 31, 2024, DVD annual dues paid to the Association were $3,323,284.

Who said DVD doesn't pay dues? Says right there they do and how much they paid.

What has been said is they are excused from paying the operating costs on the points they own in exchange for guaranting owners they will be covering any shortfalls in the budget, since they are providing an estimate.

So, yes, they pay something but they pay based on actual expenses and what was left over.

Meaning, the amount they end up paying per point may not be the same as others.

The taxes and capital reserves are paid like the rest of us.

It’s also why this information is posted a year later.

So, they paid 8.14/per point…what did owners pay for 2024? Was it the same or less?

 

[Genie+]

I’m going to propose a theory that may offend some but that’s never stopped me before. low point chart rentals attract customers that beat the snot out of the property, and leave a Herculean mess for housekeeping. They are not owners, their financial investment is limited to the current trip. Higher end rentals attract higher end guests.

I’ve noticed a difference in materials used across resorts and thinking that might factor in too. We’ve stayed at our 2 home resorts BWV and VGF BPK several times the last couple years. We lucked out being the 2nd party in a newly refurbed BWV in 2023, then stayed again last month. Things like the doors, cabinets, counters, etc were made out of less durable materials than VGF BPK. I’m thinking higher upfront material costs might be saving maintenance costs down the line? Boardwalk was already having issues with the cheaper type bathrooms cabinets and door damaging each other. Now that’s also explained by planning, but those and some other materials around the room seemed more vulnerable to wear and tear than VGF BPK.

 

[Tatebeck]

Lumber is down over -13% the past year despite a +10% tariff.

But everything else was going up. And IMO Disney uses more metal/concrete than just straight lumber construction from what I have seen.

"The price of building materials generally went up in 2025, with overall construction costs projected to rise between 5-7%. While some materials like lumber saw slight quarterly decreases, year-over-year increases were substantial, driven by factors like tariffs, supply chain issues, and demand. Some specific items, such as drywall, house wrap, and certain metals, experienced significant double-digit percentage increases. "

 

[intamin]

I think honestly now people should really only be buying SAP+ not SAP.

Im going to say CCV is the best value of all, beating out AUL Sub. The only caveat would be if you plan to go to Aulani every year or every other year.