*The Dave Ramsey 'Baby Steps' Thread*

Yea, I've been trying to figure out of it's a incoming or outgoing problem. And I'm not sure. And this is where I might need help. Here's a small breakdown of this past month's bills.

Income: $5,600;
All Bills: $4,637;
Gas-Tolls: $300;
Groceries: $700;

Nov. 2024 - Got to keep the Christmas tradition going.
Feb. 2025 - My first solo trip, spending time with my niece.
To those add:
Summer 2025 Trip to Chicago
November 2025 WDW trip

Total everything these 4 trips have cost you within the last year. That’s how much money could have gone to pay off your credit cards, put towards your car & student loans, the unexpected car expenses & the emergency fund. How much did those debts total in November 2024? Are you satisfied with the progress you’ve made in a year? How many years will it take you to pay off those debts at the current rate??

I am in my very late 60s. I can give you a few truths you will learn soon enough…retirement age will be here before you know it Those last 5 - 10 years as you get close to retirement go very quickly.

My husband & I had well paying jobs & were able to save a good amount for retirement. Even still, we worked until 65 & 67 for health insurance & to keep saving. Please think seriously about this: How are you funding retirement? Do you want to go into retirement still paying student loans? If you can’t pay your bills while working, do you really think you’ll be able to do it if Social Security is your primary income? Have you looked at your SS statement to see what your projected income will be?

You have said you made bad decisions in the past. The decisions you’re making now are compounding those from the past. Your future really is in your own hands. Believe me… you have limited time left to turn your finances around while you still have good earning potential.
 
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So that's why I asked...what is in your "All Bills" category?

I think that's vital information as well if people are going to help with suggestions on 'trimming the fat'-i know I was surprised (silently shocked to the core) when during the pandemic shutdowns some friends who would previously periodically complain about their monthly household expenses and how it was sometimes a challenge 'just to meet the basics' shifted in their periodic complaints to how the lockdowns were keeping them from 'the basics'. I learned through their lockdown complaints that we were worlds apart on what we considered 'basic household expenses', for our household it was-food, shelter, utilities, insurance and taxes that had shared priority. their household included those but ALSO included-multiple dinings outs per week as well as multiple per month golf fees (and associated adult beverages during)/hair and nail appointments.

I think 'all bills' can be a world of different from one household to another-esp. if you are using credit cards to pay for dining out and then lumping that cost into 'credit card payoff' vs. considering it as a part of your household's monthly grocery/food budget (same goes in my mind for any consumables-coffees/teas, bagel/muffin grab and go...).



What on earth are you buying to spend $700 on two people for a month? I don't even spend that much per month on groceries for my family of 5.

that's shocking to me as well-esp. where they still eat out at least once a week as a couple/him for his 'required' work lunches. maybe b/c they won't do leftovers or freeze and buy more expensive smaller portions?


Working in a bank she probably also sees bank account balances. The people coming in with all that flashy stuff generally have less money in their accounts than those wearing a flannel shirt and driving an f150.


that's def. the way it is in my neck of the woods- the local charities, youth groups and schools are greatly benefited by an unspoken mindset of those in a strong financial situation who choose to 'share it not wear it' :thumbsup2
 
Take cash to the market and if you go over, put back the non-essentials like bottled water, chips and sugary snacks.

Yes! My children grew up learning how to take that long walk away from checkout to put things back when we went over budget. Never complained, they just understood the mission!

Nov. 2024 - Got to keep the Christmas tradition going.
Feb. 2025 - My first solo trip, spending time with my niece.

To those add:
Summer 2025 Trip to Chicago
November 2025 WDW trip

Total everything these 4 trips have cost you within the last year. That’s how much money could have gone to pay off your credit cards, put towards your car & student loans, the unexpected car expenses & the emergency fund.

...and he only took that solo trip in February because his wife decided to go on a cruise that same weekend. So that's actually 5 vacations in the span of 12 months (plus I'm sure visits to family and other things we don't know). The two credit cards and bank loan could have been paid off with those funds. This isn't to pile on or make anyone feel bad, but the constant insistence about Walmart's prices and everything else being the reason for their lack of money is mind-boggling. He doesn't have to be honest with internet strangers, but he has to be honest with himself and his wife or things won't get better.

Have you looked at your SS statement to see what your projected income will be?

Believe me… you have limited time left to turn your finances around while you still have good earning potential.

This was going to be my next suggestion as well. Both him and his wife need to register for their online Social Security accounts so they can see the amount of money they are projected to get at retirement. If the amount they will receive at age 70 is not enough to live on, we have a problem, and we are running out of time to turn it around.
 

I don’t want to pile on either, but with the way our economy is in this country, a huge chunk of the population is only a few missed paychecks from being literally homeless. With our friend @WDW_fan_in_TX , the distance between scraping by every month and homelessness is even smaller. This is a terrifying and ugly thing to contemplate, but when you skate on the razor’s edge long enough, eventually you’re going to fall on your butt.
 
This was going to be my next suggestion as well. Both him and his wife need to register for their online Social Security accounts so they can see the amount of money they are projected to get at retirement. If the amount they will receive at age 70 is not enough to live on, we have a problem, and we are running out of time to turn it around.

What age can you do this starting at? I've never thought about seeing what DH or myself would potentially bring in. I feel like that would be an eye opening thing to see.
 
What age can you do this starting at? I've never thought about seeing what DH or myself would potentially bring in. I feel like that would be an eye opening thing to see.

Once you start working you should be able to. I used to get a yearly letter and now I get an email that sits in my inbox until I decide I'm not going to login this year to look 😂 i should look now that I'm making a better salary. It was depressing in my 20s. I also don't want to assume it'll be there when I can sign up, esp with the age getting moved to older too often.
 
No is the hardest for me too. We say we can't go do this because we don't have the money or we shouldn't go do that. Then someone asks us to go to lunch after church. And we can't say no in that situation. That's the hardest thing. But right now I have budget categories for the 4 bare bones (bills, gas-tolls, food) and and an extras category for anything leftover. We surpassed what we budgeted for food and also gas/tolls. We were about $800 less on bills.

I pushed a couple of key bills into the next pay cycle because we went over in a couple of categories (extras and food). But that hurts us for the next month. And I'm tired of doing that also because then we push those bills into the next month. And the cycle never ends. I've kept a budget every single month of this year. And in a couple of weeks, I will go back and total what we spent in each category. I have a feeling that is going to be very eye opening to me.

Overall, it's very easy to think we need to say no. Very hard to actually say. Again, it goes back to decisions. I need to just focus on myself and not what others have to say or do (not even my SO). I think I can force this thing back on track. The biggest key might be taking on a second or higher income. And the DW agrees I need to be making more money.
I've been blown away before by how hard you can go with "no" when you truly feel like you have to. Twice in my career I've been unemployed, and both times my wife and I managed to cut our entire budget to below $2K per month. I think we only ate about 6 different meals, never even set foot in retail stores, and even stopped buying things like paper towels and beverages other than tap water. I remember using the restroom at the library or our apartment's office building to save on toilet paper, soap, and water. We even washed aluminum foil and ziploc bags because we knew we wouldn't be buying them again until I had a job.

Honestly, if you have debts that have higher than a 10% interest rate, you probably shouldn't be going on vacations at all. As Dave would say, act your wage. Get your debt situated, and use going back to WDW as motivation to get things together.
 
Once you start working you should be able to. I used to get a yearly letter and now I get an email that sits in my inbox until I decide I'm not going to login this year to look 😂 i should look now that I'm making a better salary. It was depressing in my 20s. I also don't want to assume it'll be there when I can sign up, esp with the age getting moved to older too often.

Maybe I shouldn't look. 🫣😂
 
I don’t want to pile on either, but with the way our economy is in this country, a huge chunk of the population is only a few missed paychecks from being literally homeless. With our friend @WDW_fan_in_TX , the distance between scraping by every month and homelessness is even smaller. This is a terrifying and ugly thing to contemplate, but when you skate on the razor’s edge long enough, eventually you’re going to fall on your butt.

Yes, job loss or illness coupled with eviction or car repossession would be worse-case scenarios right now. It's imperative to use these healthy, working years wisely. Once money has been squandered away, it's permanently gone. And I think their housing costs are around 35% of take-home pay. Dave recommends about 25% (which can be hard to do), but the further away someone is from 25%, the less they have to apply to other bills.

To put it in perspective, a household making a combined income of $50,000 will have $1 million dollars pass through their hands over 20 years. Obviously, some of that will go to taxes and expenses we can't avoid, but we should all be mindful about how we spend it, and what we have to show for it in the end.
 
What age can you do this starting at? I've never thought about seeing what DH or myself would potentially bring in. I feel like that would be an eye opening thing to see.

Once you start working you should be able to. I used to get a yearly letter and now I get an email that sits in my inbox until I decide I'm not going to login this year to look 😂 i should look now that I'm making a better salary. It was depressing in my 20s. I also don't want to assume it'll be there when I can sign up, esp with the age getting moved to older too often.

I believe anyone 18 or older can grab their account. Users should expect to verify personal information, answer questions, and upload a picture of an ID. You have to be verified through either the government-based Login.gov or third-party ID.me. We chose Login.gov, since it seemed reasonable to use the government sign-on for a government website, but either one is fine.

Most middle-aged folks today have a full retirement age of 67. If someone collects early at 62, they will permanently reduce their benefits. If someone collects late at 70, they will permanently increase their benefits. Although married couples can collect both of their individual benefits, if one spouse passes, the surviving spouse can only collect one monthly benefit. So, couples should include living off of one benefit into their calculations.

Individuals have to work at least 10 years (at a job that collects Social Security taxes) to earn a benefit. The final benefit is based on 35 years of earnings. To earn the current max monthly benefit of about $5000, someone will need to earn the max taxable income for all 35 years (which is currently about $175,000). The average monthly benefit is about $2000.

Here's some more information. It really is interesting.

https://www.ssa.gov/myaccount/

(This is my current understanding of it all. Hopefully, I got all this information correct!)
 
As Dave would say, act your wage.

This is really the heart of it! It can be difficult to be on these boards and want to match all the amazing things people do--outlandish Disney vacations, multiple vacations outside of Disney, large purchases, healthy bank accounts and retirement savings, crazy disposable incomes, etc. You really have to be at peace with where you are in life and know your path and retirement might not look like everyone else's. We should not be trying to match other people's lives and successes, but we can learn from them. This means trying to make the best decisions with the level of money and resources that we have been blessed with.

I also love how Dave says, "We buy things we don't need with money we don't have to impress people we don't like."
 
The average monthly benefit is about $2000.

And if the person is on Medicare, there’s a cost that comes out of that monthly check. This year it was about $185 per month, going up to $203 next year if what I read is correct. If married, you both have to pay that from your individual checks. So right off the bat, that $2000 average check is down to less than $1800. Anyone looking at their statement should also take that into consideration.
 
And if the person is on Medicare, there’s a cost that comes out of that monthly check. This year it was about $185 per month, going up to $203 next year if what I read is correct. If married, you both have to pay that from your individual checks. So right off the bat, that $2000 average check is down to less than $1800. Anyone looking at their statement should also take that into consideration.

Oh, good point. And similarly, there are other deductions that can come out of your monthly check:

Part B--Medicare premiums for government healthcare (mentioned above)
Part C--Medicare Advantage plans through a private company that you can have paid from your monthly benefit
Part D--Prescription Drug plans through a private company that you can have paid from your monthly benefit

Social Security benefits receive an annual cost-of-living adjustment (COLA), but if the other deductions also rise, it could reduce or eliminate any annual increase.
 
And if the person is on Medicare, there’s a cost that comes out of that monthly check. This year it was about $185 per month, going up to $203 next year if what I read is correct. If married, you both have to pay that from your individual checks. So right off the bat, that $2000 average check is down to less than $1800. Anyone looking at their statement should also take that into consideration.
Not to mention that unless you opt for an advantage plan that includes prescription meds, you're going to need to pay for Part D coverage and quite possibly a supplemental plan to cover what your Medicare plan doesn't. Getting old is costly but getting old AND sick can be an economic hardship that many don't plan for.

And if you join Medicare at 65 but wait until later to take your Social Security, that $200+ monthly bill for Part B that focusondisney mentioned is coming out of your pocket. Part B has to be paid even if you choose an advantage plan.
 
I really wish they would educate more on getting older while we're still young enough to make valid and smart decisions. Being an only child whose father passed at 64 and a mother who doesn't exactly have it all together anymore, trying to navigate it while in the middle of it is literal h*ll. I've been trying to gather resources for myself and DH while dealing with my mom and there's just sooooo much that needs attention.
 
I really wish they would educate more on getting older while we're still young enough to make valid and smart decisions. Being an only child whose father passed at 64 and a mother who doesn't exactly have it all together anymore, trying to navigate it while in the middle of it is literal h*ll. I've been trying to gather resources for myself and DH while dealing with my mom and there's just sooooo much that needs attention.
I have been twisting DH's arm for a few years to get our estate in order. We finally met with a lawyer to get a trust, POA's, etc. In place to make things as easy as possible when the time comes. Part of that had to do with how the house is deeded for long term care purposes in the future.

DH and I are 42 and we are, mostly I am, super thrilled to get this taken care of.
 
Yea, I've been trying to figure out of it's a incoming or outgoing problem. And I'm not sure. And this is where I might need help. Here's a small breakdown of this past month's bills.

Income: $5,600;
All Bills: $4,637;
Gas-Tolls: $300;
Groceries: $700;

That put us $37 in the hole without anything else coming out. So no tithing, no extra spending of any kind. Very tough with those numbers. So I think it's a spending problem as we just have too many bills.

Lots of good advice in other posts, and I don't want to pile on. But maybe can offer some help on the "Mentality" approach you mentioned.

I was in an not too dissimilar situation a few years ago. Car Loan payments, student loan payments, etc. and throwing 'generic' budgets together. My wife and I would put together our budget based on what we were already spending and what we wanted to do. "Groceries have been costing us this much, so this is the grocery budget." etc. Basically a "Top-Down Budget", which didn't really help the situation. After paying my bills, here is how much is left, and then just magically spending all that on groceries and things. Mainly because it was available. I wasn't focused enough on it.

You mention a mentality shift, and that is what we needed as well. The quote I remember hearing that flipped a switch for me was "You either tell your money where to go, or you just end up wondering where it went." We spent several years just wondering where it went... And now that I see where it was going, after the fact, I am mad at myself for wasting so much money for so long.

Instead of listing out the things we wanted and then going "here is what our groceries cost" approach, we shifted to "this is how much we have to spend on groceries", what meals can we get put together for less than this amount. We got it pretty low when it was just the two of us. We would get a pound and a half of beef, and cut it into 4ths (8oz) rather than previously making a full pound each meal and throwing away the rest. I ate PB&J everyday for lunch for weeks on end. We went probably 18 months without going out to eat at a restaurant, and only a handful of fast-food visits. Our friends understood, most anyway, a couple of them we just don't talk to much anymore. We made our "Menu" ahead of time, and only bought the groceries we needed for those meals, no snacks or extras. The last week of every month was a "here is what is left in the fridge and pantry, what meals can we cobble together with this items (so we don't throw them away) with buying as few items as possible." We would sometimes end up with a weekly grocery bill of $20 for that week, I do recall one time we had to buy an onion to finish off the week and that was it. That is that "Gazelle intensity" they talk about - you have to get serious and hyper focused. We viewed our debt as destroying the life we wanted to live.

We now drive a 10 year old paid-for vehicle, and recently purchased a 3 year old vehicle we paid cash for. Some of our friends are blown away that we paid cash for a used car ($28k Ford Edge SUV, not a $60k used Lexus). We still have a 'car payment' now, but we pay ourselves, it goes into an account and earns interest. And every 5-6 years we replace one of our vehicles with the cash in that account. "Oh, so you still have a car payment. It's not that different..." they tell me. Oh, but it is. If something bad happens one month, I can choose not to pay it and nobody is going to come after me. Also, it is currently EARNING 3.2% interest, rather than me PAYING 8.7% interest. It really is changing the way you think about your money and what you want it to do.

If you have been doing a top-down budget, I would strongly recommend doing a bottom-up budget. I bet there are some areas you could squeeze a little tighter. You aren't bringing in that much less than me, but your bills are noticeably more than ours are, and we have a kid in daycare.

We run a $0 budget. (I am not sure if that is the official name, but that is what we have been calling it). Every month we end up with the same balance in our checking account at the end of the month, and have 12 savings account 'envelopes', most of which are sinking funds. We never have "Extra Money" at the end of the month, because it is always given an assignment. We tell that money where to go, and what we want it to do. Every dollar has a job.

That quote - "You either tell your money where to go, or you wonder where it went" - was the game changer for me and shift in my mentality. It is all possible, but you've got to completely change how you think about money and ignore all the outside noise.

Like you I also hated telling my wife no, but we both had to be in it together to get it done. We both needed reminders from each other of what the goal was, and that the 'pay off' was worth it. Now we have quarterly "Budget Meetings" and if there is something she wants, we look at the budget together and see where we can fit it in. So it becomes a lot easier to say yes now.
 
We run a $0 budget. (I am not sure if that is the official name, but that is what we have been calling it). Every month we end up with the same balance in our checking account at the end of the month, and have 12 savings account 'envelopes', most of which are sinking funds. We never have "Extra Money" at the end of the month, because it is always given an assignment. We tell that money where to go, and what we want it to do. Every dollar has a job.

this is what has worked out best for us as well. the only 'extra money' we might have at the end of an individual month is in our 'household expenses' sinking fund account b/c I've caught some good sales and spent less on groceries or we did'nt use as much gas but it's not looked to as something that can just be spent b/c it's available-nope, it stays in that sinking account to roll over to the next month (and so on) b/c in a subsequent we might have higher grocery costs (like in November and December traditionally for us) or I might want to avail myself of a great deal on paper products and buy several month's worth.
 
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