Don't Try This At Home!

[stitchlovestink]

It is not inappropriate. LOL. And you are you that you decide what is appropriate? There are lots of things I don't care to see people doing in public at Disney, but that is not my business. They were not doing a performance for YOU. So if you don't like it, just walk away. Adult? What age do you consider someone an adult? Some of the teams at Worlds are Adult teams. The youngest age on any team is 12. The majority are 16-18 on the younger team. Adult teams are 17+. And as I said, these are local girls, who probably drove themselves to the park for the day.

Realistically, the odds are some kid will be running in the park, trip over his own feet, and get hurt before these girls. There are parents who don't watch their kids and they walk into poles! That is a greater risk than these girls falling from a simple stunt.

And I could pose the same question back at you to say...Who are you to determine that it is appropriate??
And apparently by the tone of many other posters on this thread. You are clearly in the minority and don't have anyone else agreeing with you.
Now many feel it is inappropriate because of the stunt being performed concrete with apparently is against ALL rules. But there are a few others who agree that overall, that it just isn't appropriate park behavior for various other reasons including the HUGE liability it creates for Disney. And when one of them gets hurt and Disney pays out, guess who is going to pay that bill in the end??? Yup, us!! The paying guest...in increased costs!!!

There are 4 words that relate how I feel about this topic:

"Survival of the fittest."

Let em do it If she drops on her neck, well... nature intended it that way.

And as for the mom saying OH THEY ARE AMAZING THIS IS FINE ITS NOT INAPPROPRIATE:
You asked at one point, I believe, "who are you to decide what's appropriate?" Something in that vein. Well, one individual is not the person to decide that-- but a group of people does. That's what's great about society. If the vast majority of people think a certain act is wrong or inappropriate, then it is. And it looks like you're in the minority. You can defend this all day, but you're not going to convince the other people here you're right.

Exactly!

I have no issue with cheerleading. It's not my 'thing' nor is it my dd's 'thing'. She tried it, she went back to music and theatre. No biggie.
BUT.....while I'm sure these girls, in that photo, are very good at what they do, there is still always the chance of an accident..always. And I sure would hate to see that girl fall and crack her head. That's pavement...no give at all. And the girl with the brace on her ankle? Don't much care how it got there...it's there, it indicates some kind of 'weakness'...just by definition.

It's just not an appropriate place for something like that. I have seen more accidents from 'easy' stunts vs difficult ones. Kids get complacent...'oh, we've done that a million gazillion times...no biggie' and what happens? Someone gets dumped!! You don't need to 'fly' to have something happen.

Yup!

 

[jagfanjosh3252]

If it was a full extension, one man, one leg stunt, I might be slightly concerned if no one was around to catch her. My daughter does this stunt with her male private coach with only them out on the floor. They have fallen to the ground before, but always with coach on the bottom! He would never let her hit the ground first. I watch from the parent room.

You are one of the most ignorant people I have seen on this board. There is no difference between a All-Star cheerleader doing this or a rookie. Injury happens to anyone. Do you not think pro athletes are All-Stars? Basketball players spend hours in a day shooting baskets, that doesn't mean they will never mess up and miss a shot. Athletes spend their whole lives getting their bodies In shape, they still get hurt. I'm a photographer and I shoot All-Star competitions all the time. I have seen multiple injuries. From stunts like this even. Dislocated shoulders happen all the time. And that's when it's indoors on a mat. What do you think would have happened if a gust of wind came? It's one thing to have your opinion that this is ok and not unsafe. But to be condescending to others because your kid is an All-Star so you know what your talking about. Please

 

[padkins]

I have been to Disney with our cheerleaders and dancers many times and the bottom line is the first thing they are told at the Varsity tent is NO stunting in the parks except in designated warmup and competition areas. Period. Debate all you want about the safety or unsafety, but it's a rule for a reason. I do love the photo opportunities that arrise in front of the castle, epcot ball, etc like this one but it probably isn't worth the risk.

 

[BlueStarryHat]

Besides being dangerous and foolhardy, it's also extremely obnoxious.

 

[shalom]

If anything I would think that as much time effort and money as we pour into this sport we would expect the coaches o instil proper safety measures into our kids and teach them that stuff like this is simply not worth the risk of injury.

A good coach would look at this picture and tell any student involved in that stunt, "There is a line between courage and stupidity, and you just crossed it."

But what amuses me about that photo, especially in light of the crotch comments, is that I hadn't noticed before that Hanes sponsors the R'n'R.

 

[dingleberry]

My daughter is testing for her black belt later this year and is completely trained in various martial arts weapons. I was thinking about having her bring her twin broad swords to perform in front of ToT.

I am very proud of her, and since she is fully trained, I guarantee nobody could possibly get hurt. And there will be no crotch shots!

Will this be ok to do?

 

[goofy4tink]

And the ones saying it isn't appropriate has little to no cheer knowledge, thus is not educated enough on the topic to know what is safe for this sport... plus, the concern over her crotch.... yea let's no go there again. I am not here to convince anyone of anything. The general stereotype on this board of cheerleaders is always negative.

We have had people post here who seem to have a pretty good handle on what is appropriate for cheer teams. As to the stereotype the cheerleaders seem prone to, here on the boards? I've been at resorts with them...the teams I've been around made life miserable. They were loud, obnoxious. They changed cheers, quite loudly, on buses, making it impossible to carry on a conversation. They ran around food courts, yelling at each other, not minding a bit if they practically knocked people over on their way to the cashier.
No, not all cheer teams behave like this...I have seen others that were very well mannered...kudos to their coaches and chaperones. But all it takes are a few to ruin it for the rest.

It was interesting to wake up on a Sunday and find this thread. I am a member of the rules committee for a national cheeleading safety organization. I've been coaching cheer at all levels (including college and semi-pro stunt teams) for 27 years.

Since we seem to feel (based on the OA on the tops) that this might be the Orlando All-Stars, they fall subject to the USASF rules. From the "general safety" section of the USASF rules:

5. Athletes must always practice and perform on an appropriate surface. Technical skills (stunts, pyramids, tosses or tumbling) may not be performed on concrete, asphalt, wet or uneven surfaces or surfaces with obstructions.

Seems to me that closes the subject.

Thanks!! That was my biggest objection....the surface. I don't much care how often they do what is considered to be an easy stunt at home, in the gym. There is no reason to be doing it on the surface they were on...If I had seem my dd doing that? There would be repercussions when she got home!!

 

[metzgardesign]

My daughter is testing for her black belt later this year and is completely trained in various martial arts weapons. I was thinking about having her bring her twin broad swords to perform in front of ToT.

I am very proud of her, and since she is fully trained, I guarantee nobody could possibly get hurt. And there will be no crotch shots!

Will this be ok to do?

LOL.

I was thinking my son and I can perform some of our Shotokan katas in front of the castle. Maybe some sparring as well.

Can't guarantee there won't be crotch shots, though. But, they won't be the type shown in the original photo here. They certainly won't be planned, and are definitely frowned upon, but my son IS considerable shorter than I am.....so it could happen. But it obviously won't be pretty.

 

[dingleberry]

LOL.

I was thinking my son and I can perform some of our Shotokan katas in front of the castle. Maybe some sparring as well.

Can't guarantee there won't be crotch shots, though. But, they won't be the type shown in the original photo here. They certainly won't be planned, and are definitely frowned upon, but my son IS considerable shorter than I am.....so it could happen. But it obviously won't be pretty.

Ya know, I forgot about the high kicks. Yikes, more crotch shots!

 

[Planogirl]

I'm in the camp that would just head the other way. This sport has no interest for me but I do hope that none of the kids get hurt of course.

 

[pktbMouse]

OMG girls....WOW...that photo is amazing!!!. What a bunch of old fuddy duddies on here...lol I mean come on you were young once , dont tell me you didnt do anything a little riske..think of the memories those kids will have when they get older having that photo to show their kids. I for one LOVE it..if I saw them do it I would give them a round of applause. Lifes too short...heck I wish I could do something like that!!!! Life is full of risks, what do you want them to do, walk about wrapped in a blanket??? they are young and should enjoy life..I think that picture is awesome...GO GIRLS!!!

 

[Cappy81]

Wow! Very Nice!

Looks like a bunch of young girls having fun.

Is it dangerous? Yes! Liability Issues? Why, Yes!

Picture of a lifetime for the girls! Yes! Yes!

I did things as a young girl that I think back on as a parent and an adult, I think I am lucky something bad didn't happen that day. Thank you, God!

I hope the girls were safe that day.

 

[MrsHull88]

An older girl (16) at our dance studio fell out of a back tuck, something she had done over and over again and is now in a wheel chair. For a while she was on a vent, then had a trach (spelling?) and they didn't think she was going to make it, so even when a girl does a stunt or a tumbling pass over and over it can still end badly on hard floors/concrete. Should not be allowed.

 

[chartle]

Wow! Very Nice!

Looks like a bunch of young girls having fun.

Is it dangerous? Yes! Liability Issues? Why, Yes!

Picture of a lifetime for the girls! Yes! Yes!

I did things as a young girl that I think back on as a parent and an adult, I think I am lucky something bad didn't happen that day. Thank you, God!

I hope the girls were safe that day.

So anything is OK as long they were having fun. Even if its dangerous and there are Liability issues.

 

[emttink]

These girls have worked the whole season to come to this compitition. They would not do something to hurt themselves. Those in charge know what is going on too. These parents pay more a month on cheer than some pay for rent for a house! They are being teenagers. Lets see, most of them have to maintain grades of 3.0 or above, they are phyically fit more than most, they wear supports on ankles becuase they take a beating, they train upwards of 20 hours a week on top of school. These are not "cheer squad girls". This is there life! Instead of all the negative look at the positive. These girls are showing how much hard work it takes to make it. The stunt is simple, the bases job is to catch the flyer. If we saw this while at the hotel we would stop and talk to them and watch. Not take a picture without them knowing and talk about them. So next time cheer them on. As far as someone saying they cause problems, teens are teens. They are loud with friends, function in the "teen" world around them. Just like kids cry, scream, run from parents and "bother" people. How are these girls any different.

 

[mesaboy2]

So anything is OK as long they were having fun. Even if its dangerous and there are Liability issues.

Of course! I also heard recently that I should just do what I feel is right, because there are no rules and only personal feelings.

I must be turning into an old fogey, because these ideas make no sense to me.

 

[chartle]

These girls have worked the whole season to come to this compitition. They would not do something to hurt themselves. Those in charge know what is going on too. These parents pay more a month on cheer than some pay for rent for a house! They are being teenagers. Lets see, most of them have to maintain grades of 3.0 or above, they are phyically fit more than most, they wear supports on ankles becuase they take a beating, they train upwards of 20 hours a week on top of school. These are not "cheer squad girls". This is there life! Instead of all the negative look at the positive. These girls are showing how much hard work it takes to make it. The stunt is simple, the bases job is to catch the flyer. If we saw this while at the hotel we would stop and talk to them and watch. Not take a picture without them knowing and talk about them. So next time cheer them on. As far as someone saying they cause problems, teens are teens. They are loud with friends, function in the "teen" world around them. Just like kids cry, scream, run from parents and "bother" people. How are these girls any different.

No one is disputing that they work hard and spend a lot of money, but its been pointed out its against Disney's and THEIR rules to do these stunts in the parks.

 

[Luvchefmic]

and least we forget about real professionals that have died at WDW

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1917776,00.html


No one is invincible and I get that teens don't think anything can ever turn into disaster but cmon MOM its YOUR job to teach them not to defend this reckless behavior as harmless & fun


I think the girls should have been IMMEDIATELY escorted out of the park PERIOD no ifs ands or buts It was stupid dangerous arrogant and as said over & over against all rules

 

[bumbershoot]

There are 4 words that relate how I feel about this topic:

"Survival of the fittest."

Let em do it If she drops on her neck, well... nature intended it that way.

holy moly, think of who you are talking about. My sister was the flyer on her HS squad and she was dropped during practice days before competition at Disneyland. She only hurt her ankle but my goodness. If she has fallen on her neck you believe it's because nature wanted the absolute light of my birth family to be gravely injured or dead? These are humans, and young ones too.

Which is why the chaperones should have stopped them and only let this happen in a proper place with, as I assume happens at competitions, emergency personnel around.

 

[bumbershoot]

First you are not seeing someone's CROTCH! Again, another ignorant comment. Why are your eyes TRYING to see her CROTCH? Again, walk around the parks and you just might see someone's crotch, nipples, etc. showing through their sweaty clothes and other inappropriate things.

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My husband just commented, so I will post his comment. Instead of focusing on the girls athleticism, strength, and balance, they want to focus on her crotch?

I get that you have been around the sport long enough that you don't see things for what they are, but that is indeed the crotch area. for a normal person not made immune to the sight, that's what they are seeing. Same in a ballet and many gymnastics events. You can be impressed all you want by flexibility, but that's the part that is there.