Don't stay at the Swan. It's been a nightmare this week

You're having an event for six rooms worth of people in the middle of a pandemic. I think you should have expected things to go wrong. I'm surprised they even let you do that.

I have lifetime status at Marriott, though I did transition to Hyatt before Covid. Billing issues I have had were all cleared up easily, as it sounds like yours were as well.

It sounds like you are using a debit card instead of a credit card. There are many, many reasons I wouldn't put expenses like this on a debit card. This story is one of the more tame examples, but is an example of why.

I don't relate to many of your choices. I wouldn't have accepted the room with no balcony, and I wouldn't have been waiting until the last day to handle the billing issues.
 
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I love all these people telling you to suck it up when you know they would have been equally as annoyed. 1 room or 10 this is not a mom and pop inn, they should know how to handle this. I also have a lifetime status with Marriot - that and a quarter will give you a quarter. I would not stay there again if I were you - it seems funny that people think its fine to get bad service during a pandemic - its not like this was a little issue - I do feel bad for you
 
I'm still stuck on having an event in a suite for 6 rooms worth of people during a pandemic. I was under the impression that was not allowed at the moment. Was the hotel aware? Where did you find a suite big enough for that many people? I didn't even know they had suites with a capacity that large.

I have had issues with Marriott charges before, but they are always resolved by the time my trips are over. I'd be stressed, too, if those charges showed up. But then, if you were having a huge event with so much luggage, it kind of sounds like you have more money than the average person to spend. I don't know. I want to be sympathetic, but I feel like something is missing from the story.

I sincerely hope your charges get settled and that everything works out. Unfortunately, hotel issues can happen anywhere. I once spent over $1k a night in a suite at the Disneyland hotel to have the plumbing completely shut off... It sucks, but bad things happen sometimes. Hopefully your whole trip wasn't ruined.
 

We had to cancel a night there when WDW shutdown in March and it took almost 60 days to get our $200+ back. After a few calls we were told that because of the amount of cancellations it’s taking them up to 90 days to issue refunds. Really hope this isn’t the case for you. Our service there wasn’t great in August either. Will be a while before we consider a stay there again.
 
So did you do a split stay at the Boardwalk Villas then move to Dolphin? Looks like you had bus issues earlier on Wednesday at the Boardwalk? Assume it’s Villas as Boardwalk itself closed.
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What was said in her first post....
We had 6 rooms at the Swan that I paid for and was paying resort fees for
I'm still stuck on having an event in a suite for 6 rooms worth of people during a pandemic. I was under the impression that was not allowed at the moment. Was the hotel aware? Where did you find a suite big enough for that many people? I didn't even know they had suites with a capacity that large.

I have had issues with Marriott charges before, but they are always resolved by the time my trips are over. I'd be stressed, too, if those charges showed up. But then, if you were having a huge event with so much luggage, it kind of sounds like you have more money than the average person to spend. I don't know. I want to be sympathetic, but I feel like something is missing from the story.

I sincerely hope your charges get settled and that everything works out. Unfortunately, hotel issues can happen anywhere. I once spent over $1k a night in a suite at the Disneyland hotel to have the plumbing completely shut off... It sucks, but bad things happen sometimes. Hopefully your whole trip wasn't ruined.

I'm curious....why would that not be allowed? Florida is not locked down, restaurants, businesses and schools are open. WDW is obviously open. It was recommended to reduce numbers for Thanksgiving but it is not like CA or NY here. Plus, she said 6 rooms, not how many people in each room. Stuff happens, I get it, but telling her what she SHOULD have done is pointless...IMHO.
 
What was said in her first post....



I'm curious....why would that not be allowed? Florida is not locked down, restaurants, businesses and schools are open. WDW is obviously open. It was recommended to reduce numbers for Thanksgiving but it is not like CA or NY here. Plus, she said 6 rooms, not how many people in each room. Stuff happens, I get it, but telling her what she SHOULD have done is pointless...IMHO.

Florida per their website is recommended limiting gatherings of groups to 10 or less.
 
Florida per their website is recommended limiting gatherings of groups to 10 or less.
That is recommended, not a law. For it to be “ not allowed” would be up to the resort and WDW. Just going into a table service restaurant there would be more than 10 people. At the YC, the Ale and Compass bar was packed and there were large tables of people eating in the restaurant. The Rose and Crown Pub was very busy and people were sitting at tables in the Pub. Just a few examples. I‘m still confused as to why people are upset at her for posting And digging up other posts...wow.
 
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That is recommended, not a law. For it to be “ not allowed” would be up to the resort and WDW. Just going into a table service restaurant there would be more than 10 people.
Just saying common sense and with pandemic getting worse they can only recommend. But people need to use common sense and realize how many are being put at risk by gathering in larger groups.
 
I traveled across the country and internationally for our business. For domestic travel, I almost always chose a Marriott or affiliated brand (bank the points). I would have definitely approached the manager (if they aren't hibernating) about compensation. In some cases where I was unsatisfied with the room/package, the manager would look up my account and see the number of stays and level of my Marriott devotion/status. Often, it would get remedied right on the spot.

With that being said, I think the OP got a raw deal. Part of me thinks there is no procedure or even empowerment to some of the front line customer service representatives. And then it becomes a deflection game of "find the manager". This is not a way to have brand loyalty.
 
Thanks for your feedback it sounds like you had more than a few issues with your recent stay at the Swan.

If you have traveled the world then you know that hotels can't just modify their front desk billing system to suit your individual requests.

The resort fee is added to the folio for each room nightly. There is no hotel folio system or workflow to move only the resort fees to your room's folio. You could have prepaid all the resort fees for all the rooms at check-in. This would have been reflected on each folio as a room credit. As an alternative you could have stopped by the front desk on night before checkout and paid the resort fees for each room to clear the folios for check-out processing early on the check-out day.

Day 3: Plumbing issues develop all over the world and it is unfortunate that it happened on a busy day for you or to you at all.

Did you request a better room and were you willing to pack, leave your luggage at Bell Services while you went about the rest of your day? Or did you accept the convenience of an available clean room over a room with a balcony and a equal or better view than your original room that may have been available late in the afternoon or early evening?

True nothing was offered but did you ask for anything for your inconvenience or the impact to your plans? The most common guest recovery request would be a resort credit for dining or folio credit but you have to ask for it if you expect anything.

Day 4: Did they actually charge your credit card or just put a credit authorization your card? Or do you mean they added an extra room for your length of stat to your folio? Either option would have been human error by the front desk or the back office personnel and not a computer glitch or error.

Day 5: You indicated that you have traveled the world on business, you must know that you don't wait until after check-out to dispute folio charges. If your credit card was actually charged you would know that you could easily call your CC company and dispute the invalid charges on Day 4.

I am not sure why you say "nothing was offered" did you ask for any compensation for you time or inconvenience? Don't expect to be offered random stuff. Don't expect the front desk staff to speak for the hotel, the day manager, night manager or even the General Manager should be available in-person or via a simple phone call. Emails can also be quite effective.

Dave
I have a few problems with this reasoning, the biggest being that this all assumes that OP has the same level of familiarity with the hotel’s internal systems as its staff or an experienced, repeat Guest. As someone who’s worked extensively in customer service, I was taught that you never can or should make that assumption, because most Guests don’t. The average Guest wouldn’t know the majority of what you’re assuming that they would (the average Guest doesn’t even understand FastPass). I can assure you that the average Guest likely wouldn’t know that it’s a cardinal rule to not wait to check out to address unauthorized folio charges. For what it’s worth (and I’d consider myself an experienced travel), on the rare occasion I’ve had an issue with my bill, I’ve addressed it at check out.

In regard to the unauthorized charge itself, that would be a huge issue for me. Contrary to what you imply, it sounds like the hotel needed to move the OP for safety reasons (which is perfectly reasonable; it happens) but it made a mistake with a billing. It doesn’t sound like the OP had much of a choice to move, so I’m not sure why you’d expect to pay for your “new” room — the hotel is still fulfilling your existing reservation. That then makes the $2,000 charge problematic, and their unwillingness to treat it with any sort of urgency would also bother me. This reminds of when Disney accidentally charged monthly APs for four months at once earlier this summer. While you may be in a different financial situation, there are plenty of people who have bank accounts or credit cards specifically for their vacation budget and a massive unexpected charge or authorization can create a big problem. Beyond any freebies, the best Guest Recovery in that situation is to fix it. To say to a Guest, “we don’t have thousands of dollars just to refund” wouldn’t fly in any customer service job I’ve worked. Like others have mentioned, it sounds like (given their current financial situation), the hotel staff is just not being empowered to try to remedy these situations. I can say that I’ve been offered (without asking) Guest Recovery at the Dolphin on a number of occasions for far less.

Your assessment of the resort fee charges is likely what happened, however that doesn’t make the hotel blameless from a customer service perspective. Several hotel staff told the OP that it wouldn’t be an issue. That shouldn’t have happened, and instead of either giving the OP incorrect information or blowing the OP off with their “best guess,” they should’ve asked a manager who likely would’ve suggested what you did. But if the hotel staff repeatedly told me that this could be done and then it wasn’t, that would irritate me.

All in all, I think you’re being a bit too hard on the OP. It’s easy to Monday morning quarterback these situations, but it does sound like the hotel dropped the ball on a number of occasions during their stay (and never realized they were dropping it). If this were an isolated event I wouldn’t read too much into it, but I’ve heard a lot of not-so-great experiences about the S&D over the last few months (really starting from their “surprise” change in transportation), so as a long-time S&D fan, I’m worried.

P.S. I understand the pandemic angle, and while I absolutely wouldn’t be getting six groups of people together to travel right now (I think it’s a really bad idea), if the hotel is still accepting those reservations and allowing it then I’m not sure why the OP would expect to receive tainted customer service as a result.
 
The OP might have booked six rooms - with just one or two people per room. And like someone else said, Covid 'guidelines' not 'enforceable laws'.

Second $2000! charged to the card...wow!!! For some people, their credit card may only have a $2500 limit and suddenly having $2000 of available credit wiped out would definitely ruin a vacation for a couple of days. A lot of people don't have an extra $2,000.00 available on a credit or debit card because of an accidental hotel charge. If you do have an extra $2,000 - good for you!
 
Just saying common sense and with pandemic getting worse they can only recommend. But people need to use common sense and realize how many are being put at risk by gathering in larger groups.
For some common sense would be to not go to Theme Parks during a pandemic. Even with limited capacity it is still a busy place....a lot more than 10 people on rides, etc. I hope the OP can get some satisfaction from Marriott.
 
Yeah, I don't like the Swan. It's just expensive compared to the Disney Springs hotels. They have the exact same perks so the only benefit is location. Even with that I find it on the far side compared to Beach Club from Epcot.

You should complain to Starwood for the Swan ruining your vacation and maybe they can give you some free nights.
 
We had 6 rooms at the Swan that I paid for and was paying resort fees for

I called the day before check in to tell them not to charge the individual rooms the resort fee, charge it all to my account

At check in, I reminded them that I would be paying for the resort fees and to make sure that those people didn't get charged

None of that happened. They all got charged even after I talked to the manager on day 2

Well. that is not an unreasonable request, but that is also not how their folio system works. There can be some issues when changing established process. Just roll with it, and let them make the corrections.

Day 3: they find a major plumbing leak in our suite that they need to tear up the wall to fix. We are forced to move right in the middle of a super busy day and ruined our plans. Nothing was offered for the inconvenience. Got moved to a worse view and took away our balcony

That sucks. [Moderator edit] literally happened in this case. Nobody can for-see things like this, it was just bad luck that it impacted you.

Day 4: an EXTRA $1950 was charged to our account. They charged us for the extra room for the whole week.... and the original room

Again. This is not ideal, and it is a change in normal process. this is how mistakes happen. Let the correct it.

Day 5: Trying to get the EXTRA $1950 refunded to my account. I was told that THE MARRIOTT doesn't just have $1950 to just refund back right away and that I would have to wait until after check out and talk to the manager that day to try and get my own money back from the hotel that took almost $2000 extra from my account because they messed up

Sorry. but you expect too much. I dont care if you are getting a refund from Home Depot, or your local dress maker. NOBODY processes refunds immediately. It never happens and never will.

Again, nothing was offered. I was told it must have been a computer glitch and that they were sure it would get figured out in a day or two and then only take 3-5 business days to return to my account after that

Now, I might be crazy, but for the average individual, charging an extra $2000 on their card and refusing to give it back until after they check out can somewhat mess up their vacation plans

If your margins on your card are that close, I am sorry. not much I can say. You have to plan for the worse case scenario. A 5 day trip to disney can cost several thousands. You need to be prepared for the what iffs. Especially if you have a large group like that. What would happen if someone got hurt and had to be flown home or have emergency medical treatment. If the hotel can max out your card, just think what those services would do.

Yes, at this point they should have offered you some form of restitution for not handling the situation, but they are not required. ultimately, YOU will have to decide if you want to do business with Marriott or not in the future.

I'm fuming right now. I have never seen worse customer service than this. ever. In the history of me traveling monthly for my business all over the world, I have never been treated this poorly.

Don't stay there. It's not worth what you think you'll save. Just don't

You are one instance out of thousands of transactions they do every day. I feel for you, but to say every transaction would be the same as yours is just nonsense. Sorry. i know you wont like my responses...just giving you an honest opinion from someone who travels a lot.
 
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I’m shocked that none of you would be mad about a $2000 unauthorized charge to your account, taking hours out of your vacation without compensation, and a downgrade in room. If that’s the kind of customer service you are used to on your trips, by all means, stay here.

Meh. Not worried at all about this. there is a paper trail, and it will be corrected in the end.
 
OP said...

Moving rooms took us much longer than the average group because we are holding an event in a large suite. So with this event, we have about 4 times as much luggage and and stuff to move as the average person.

I'm curious....why would that not be allowed? Florida is not locked down, restaurants, businesses and schools are open. WDW is obviously open. It was recommended to reduce numbers for Thanksgiving but it is not like CA or NY here. Plus, she said 6 rooms, not how many people in each room. Stuff happens, I get it, but telling her what she SHOULD have done is pointless...IMHO.

The OP might have booked six rooms - with just one or two people per room. And like someone else said, Covid 'guidelines' not 'enforceable laws'.

So, while what’s being done isn’t illegal, it’s definitely not a good look for a hotel to be allowing an event to be taking place in one of their suites during a pandemic.
 














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