Do you think the average life span will increase ?

It is a bit of an oversimplification to call it "totally self inflicted". There are a lot of societal-level factors that go into the rise in obesity and decline of physical activity levels in America, and not everyone has the resources to overcome those factors on an individual level.

No it isn't. Just move. Walk around your living room if that is all you can do but move and move often. Walk places, put the video game controller down and get outside.

People need to stop making excuses, both for themselves and others. If you make health a priority it will be a priority. If you don't it won't. That choice is up to you.
 
I'm not sure, but here are some factors I consider. We know how to eat healthier but I don't think we are. I am continually stunned by the portions at restaurants, and that transfers to our portions at home. Our kids are more obese and less active than ever before. And we adults are as well.
Yeah, more and more sodas, fast food, processed foods, oversized portions ... fewer people outside. We all KNOW what we should do, but what percentage do you think actually do it?
I believe life span is going to decrease because so many people are deferring medical care because of multiple thousand dollar deductibles. We got them covered. But we didn't get them health care.
Eh, I don't think this is new. I grew up in a family that couldn't always afford to go to the doctor. If someone had strep throat, and we all ended up catching it, medicine was shared around between us, etc.
Agree. Medical science has already advanced to the point that many people with serious chronic illnesses are being preserved much past the ages they would have in previous generations yet these treatments do not cure or completely alleviate suffering. I don't know the statistics, but anecdotally it also seems people's bodies are now "outliving" their brains, with many elderly people suffering from age-related dementia in their final years. :sad1:
I think we all agree with the "life vs. preservation" concept ... until it becomes personal. My own anecdotal experience: I don't know many people suffering from dementia of any type, but those things DO run in families.
Ok, so I guess you assume that at 75 you won't be able to do those things. Sad thought, you never know what the future holds.
Yeah, my family tends to live into their 90s, and their 75-90 years look pretty good to me: retirement, travel, hosting family events.
Smoking is down thou
Well, cigarette smoking is down. Teens no longer mean cigarettes when they say, "I smoke", and I'm amazed at how many people are convinced that smoking pot has no negative health consequences.
I just had this discussion lately. We were looking at our group of family and friends and came to the conclusion.. that the 50s is the death zone.. Once you make it past that, you have a good chance of living a long life.
You know, I think you have the right answer here. It's kinda like looking at life expectancy in the Middle Ages -- it looks like no one lived past 30 or so, but the reality is that something like 50% of the population died before age five. I'm in my 50s, and -- yes -- I've lost a few friends unexpectedly; this seems to be the age at which the sedentary lifestyle and/or genetic issues really pop up -- because we can no longer rely upon youth and vigour to see us through. I do think if you make it through your 50s (maybe early 60s?), you have a pretty good shot at really old age.
It is a bit of an oversimplification to call it "totally self inflicted". There are a lot of societal-level factors that go into the rise in obesity and decline of physical activity levels in America, and not everyone has the resources to overcome those factors on an individual level.
Disagree. If you want to improve your health, you can do it. Maybe you don't have the money or time for a gym, personal trainer, whatever -- but you can access YouTube videos and do something at home. Any of us can afford a couple handweights or a pair of running shoes. Maybe you'll never reach the point you can run a marathon, but any of us could improve.
I think lifespan is most greatly impacted by genetics.
Yes, our genetics affect our lifespan, but -- once you reach adulthood -- your own lifestyle choices are more signifcant.
 
Eh, I don't think this is new. I grew up in a family that couldn't always afford to go to the doctor. If someone had strep throat, and we all ended up catching it, medicine was shared around between us, etc.
No, it's new. I'm not talking about strep throat. I'm talking about serious issues like not going for regular screenings, not taking their insulin, rationing drugs, and putting off diagnostic tests. There's an epidemic of people with very high deductible health plans ($5-$10K) who can't afford anything else. They are ostensibly now self insured because lower deductible plans are too expensive or not available to them at all.
 

No, it's new. I'm not talking about strep throat. I'm talking about serious issues like not going for regular screenings, not taking their insulin, rationing drugs, and putting off diagnostic tests. There's an epidemic of people with very high deductible health plans ($5-$10K) who can't afford anything else. They are ostensibly now self insured because lower deductible plans are too expensive or not available to them at all.
I only mentioned strep throat, but -- no -- I've known people all my life who put off /couldn't afford this or that medication. Who knew they had diabetes but did nothing about it. Whose kids had never been to the dentist.
 
I only mentioned strep throat, but -- no -- I've known people all my life who put off /couldn't afford this or that medication. Who knew they had diabetes but did nothing about it. Whose kids had never been to the dentist.
Yes, I'm saying it's much more rampant now.
 
No, I don't! Looking around, there are many more obese people with the accompanying illnesses than I've ever seen, and getting worse (at younger ages) than ever before. Really sad that so many disregard their health to the point of having diseases/illnesses at younger ages, that most could have been avoided altogether, or at least until much older in years.
And don't get me started on the antivax people that are willing to let their own children suffer potential consequences, also the public they come in contact with.
 
Yes I do. But I honestly don't want to live until I'm 100 or whatever. I think 75 is good enough.

Wow, you must be awfully young - or your outlook on life is really sad!! I'm almost 72, dh is 73 and we live very full enjoyable lives. Retired, travel, hike, bike, garden and loving it. Also, keep our weight in check, eat healthy, and are nowhere near wanting to call it quits in a few years. Yes, anyone's health can fail, but we do what we can to keep ill health at bay.

Also, have 6 siblings from 65-85 and we all have the same outlook on life and health.
Would imagine you will feel differently about the age 75 cutoff when you achieve 70's. :P
 
I think lifespan is most greatly impacted by genetics.
I would have disagreed a couple years ago but now I believe your statement to be true.

I have run 5-7 miles a day, everyday, for over a year now. I feel great but have seen no improvement in my blood work.

Vigorous exercise is supposed to increase your HDL. In that time mine rose from 32 to 33, still well below the recommended 40.

I have a family history of low HDL and there appears to be nothing I can do to overcome.
 
I would have disagreed a couple years ago but now I believe your statement to be true.

I have run 5-7 miles a day, everyday, for over a year now. I feel great but have seen no improvement in my blood work.

Vigorous exercise is supposed to increase your HDL. In that time mine rose from 32 to 33, still well below the recommended 40.

I have a family history of low HDL and there appears to be nothing I can do to overcome.

The way I look at it is that genetics plays a big role in determining your potential and baseline while lifestyle plays a role in maximizing your health against that baseline/potential. Someone with a family history or high blood pressure may never be able to run and eat their way into perfect heart health however they can run and eat their way into their best possible heart health.

You also have to remember that the guidelines are generic. Someone who has a genetically low HDL may not have to be in recommended range for their own personal health to be maximized.
 
I would have disagreed a couple years ago but now I believe your statement to be true.

I have run 5-7 miles a day, everyday, for over a year now. I feel great but have seen no improvement in my blood work.

Vigorous exercise is supposed to increase your HDL. In that time mine rose from 32 to 33, still well below the recommended 40.

I have a family history of low HDL and there appears to be nothing I can do to overcome.

Yes, and I would agree with you - to a point!
My dh has to take a statin because nothing he/we could do would alter the numbers - 'but' because of keeping active, eating relatively healthy, and living a clean lifestyle, other illnesses that 'could' become issues are well under control.

We can only control what we can - but, we can have control over much more than we 'think' sometimes. We can't just give up, and think that oh, our family is predisposed to such and such, so why bother!!!
 
Yep me too, it'll keep going up with medical advancements and people being more health conscience.

I mean look at some old pictures, people back in the 40's and 50's looked old when they were middle age.

Today middle age people still look young.

Or maybe I just think that because I'm middle aged now:rolleyes1
Middle age is the middle of your life expectancy. Middle age back then was fresh out of high school :D
 
Scientists are discovering more and more than a lot of longevity is genetics. As much as we want to think we have control of everything, sometimes it's just luck of the draw. We all know people who smoke, drink and don't eat right live into their 90's, and those who are all about healthy living drop dead from a hereditary heart disease. Everything in moderation and appreciate what you have!
 
No, it's new. I'm not talking about strep throat. I'm talking about serious issues like not going for regular screenings, not taking their insulin, rationing drugs, and putting off diagnostic tests. There's an epidemic of people with very high deductible health plans ($5-$10K) who can't afford anything else. They are ostensibly now self insured because lower deductible plans are too expensive or not available to them at all

It's mostly genetics. Both sets of my grandparents never went to the doctor's (grandmothers even gave birth at home) - no mammograms, no bloodwork, no PAP smears, no diagnostic tests and they lived into their 80s. My dad never went to a doctor for 70 something years until he had a kidney stone! Even my brothers, sisters and I never went to the doctors - my first checkup was when I had to get my driver's permit. So thinking that screenings and tests will always prolong life isn't always true. Sometimes even though we don't want to admit it, somethings are out of our control.
 


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