Do you think someone receiving assistance should continue to have children?

[DisneyMommyMichelle]

Originally Posted by meandtheguys2
That is it. If you can afford expensive vacations, you can afford to feed your own kids. Why should taxpayers feed and provide medical care for your children so that you can use your money for vacations?

 

[summerrluvv]

I have only read a few snippets of this post since I posted, and see the insurance comments, but I hope no one is berating me for signing my children up for Child Health Plus (similar to medicaid, but I pay a premium). Yes, I've taken vacations to WDW in the past, but even if I didn't take a vacation, I still couldn't afford $800 a month for insurance through my employer. I don't think most people can. I'm taking advantage of something that is available to me because I need it. I have paid a lot into the system and have worked since I was 14, so if I need medical for my kids, so be it.

 

[BellePrincessBelle]

While I am very sorry for your loss, it has very little to do with the current point about taxpayers subsidizing vacations. If one can afford disney, regardless of earned income credit, etc., that money could/should be used for personal expenses and supporting one's family, rather than vacations.

We didn't have fancy vacations as children. It never killed any of us. And my mom was a single mom raising 3 children on a nurses salary.

ITA

 

[summerrluvv]

Maybe this was addressed earlier in this long thread (and your kids are adorable), but I don't think anyone who can afford Disney trips should be getting public assistance for health insurance. That just isn't fair to the taxpayers who are footing the bill for your kids' insurance. I don't think anyone who qualifies for WIC should be blowing money on Disney trips, especially to the Yacht Club.

Hope your finances improve.

Ahh, I knew that was coming. The YC trip was won, the second was when I was married and DS had health insurance through his company. After that it was budget trips all the way. And actually after someone posted the WIC guidelines, I realized I wouldn't qualify anyway. I assumed they were pretty moderate since I have worked with people that have qualified for it.

I know quite a few folks that get Child Health Plus. People that live in nice houses and drive nice cars and people that actually take vacations. Like I said, I pay a premium for it, as do the other folks that I know. It's geared toward working families that have children without health insurance. If you don't want to take advantage of a program like that so be it.It's not like I'm sitting home and collecting welfare. I work. The alternative is no health insurance and I'm not about to go that route for my children.

 

[Charade]

I have only read a few snippets of this post since I posted, and see the insurance comments, but I hope no one is berating me for signing my children up for Child Health Plus (similar to medicaid, but I pay a premium). Yes, I've taken vacations to WDW in the past, but even if I didn't take a vacation, I still couldn't afford $800 a month for insurance through my employer. I don't think most people can. I'm taking advantage of something that is available to me because I need it. I have paid a lot into the system and have worked since I was 14, so if I need medical for my kids, so be it.

$800 a month for one child? That seems really high. I don't pay anywhere near that much for my Dfi (she's a dependent).

 

[DisneyMommyMichelle]

$800 a month for one child? That seems really high. I don't pay anywhere near that much for my Dfi (she's a dependent).
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She's not the first person to say 800$ a month! I find it really high too! DH pays for my insurance (SAHM) and 2 going on 3 children and we are no where near that number.

 

[summerrluvv]

$800 a month for one child? That seems really high. I don't pay anywhere near that much for my Dfi (she's a dependent).

I have two children. And yes it's high. It would be considered a family plan. Insurance is very expensive around here when your employer doesn't contribute much to the premium. I know someone that pays $2400 a month!

 

[tw1nsmom]

Ahh, I knew that was coming. The YC trip was won, the second was when I was married and DS had health insurance through his company. After that it was budget trips all the way. And actually after someone posted the WIC guidelines, I realized I wouldn't qualify anyway. I assumed they were pretty moderate since I have worked with people that have qualified for it.

I know quite a few folks that get Child Health Plus. People that live in nice houses and drive nice cars and people that actually take vacations. Like I said, I pay a premium for it, as do the other folks that I know. It's geared toward working families that have children without health insurance. If you don't want to take advantage of a program like that so be it.It's not like I'm sitting home and collecting welfare. I work. The alternative is no health insurance and I'm not about to go that route for my children.

Child Health Plus is NOT welfare/medicaid. People of all incomes can qualify for their children. You pay a premium on a sliding scale. We're self-employed and pay close to $1200 a month in insurance premiums for our family of for and one, single employee. If a time came when we couldn't afford insurance, or if I got a job that included insurance coverage for only me, I'd consider signing my kids up for it. It also works out for families where the parents have been denied coverage due to preexisting conditions. With Child Health Plus the kids can still be insured.

 

[HappyLawyer]

Well as many of you know i believe in being direct and not beating around the bush, to the op what business is it of yours and why do you care? Now sure you will go into the whole i pay my taxes bit etc... and hey don't most of us but a big problem in this world is so many people passing judgement and minding other peoples business. The states set the criteria of who gets assistance, i work for the state here and the governor has just revised the household amounts for families who qualify for medical assistance from the state for their children. IF a person is working and they qualify for assistance then they should be entitled to it. If they decide to save their money to take their kids to disney world they God Bless them. Going to disney can be quite affordable if people plan, research and save. Again it really is none of our business.

 

[BellePrincessBelle]

Well as many of you know i believe in being direct and not beating around the bush, to the op what business is it of yours and why do you care? Now sure you will go into the whole i pay my taxes bit etc... and hey don't most of us but a big problem in this world is so many people passing judgement and minding other peoples business. The states set the criteria of who gets assistance, i work for the state here and the governor has just revised the household amounts for families who qualify for medical assistance from the state for their children. IF a person is working and they qualify for assistance then they should be entitled to it. If they decide to save their money to take their kids to disney world they God Bless them. Going to disney can be quite affordable if people plan, research and save. Again it really is none of our business.

Ahh but you are very wrong it is our business. When they take our hard earned money I should have a right to say how it's spent. Just because you don't care if someone defrauds the system or uses the money to take their family to Disney when we have over $1,000 a week taken from DH's check for Fed Income tax maybe if we didn't fund welfare we would be able to go sooner/longer/ better hotels. Because that money would be in our pockets to save not theirs after all we worked for it they DID NOT.

 

[Caradana]

Prefacing this by saying that I have no family members on welfare, no SILs who hock WIC formula on Ebay, no friends who know how to game the system, no firsthand knowledge of the dregs of society ... I do, however, pay 39% of my income (46% of bonuses) to taxes, and I have no kids, so I'm showing some mastery of birth control options here at age 27.

I have been lucky as hell. I was raised by a strong mother and taught that I have value and I can achieve whatever I want. Many, if not most, did not have that advantage. I do not expect every woman in the world to act intelligently, rationally or logically. Ironically, the fact that there are so many idiots in the world is the reason why we non-idiots make most of the money.

That being said, I have no desire to punish the son for the sins of the father, and I have a hard time envisioning Jesus cutting off welfare that benefits the six-year-old with zero advantages because his worthless mother, in the next of a long series of stupid decisions, stupidly got knocked up by some guy who plans on contributing exactly $0.

Even though it has ugly social policy implications ... I mean, honestly, who is going to reply to this thread and say "yes, we should be rewarding the clueless American women who gained no job skills and apparently couldn't figure out how to cross their legs or unroll condoms" ... I still sleep better knowing that we are an advanced enough civilization that we have cast a wide safety net, and we are going to try like hell to feed and shelter the kids who are born into situations that make most of us cringe. We will do this EVEN IF IT MEANS giving the cash to the worthless mother and crossing our fingers that most of it trickles down to the kids. We will stomach that because there's really no other way to do it without breaking up families, which violates the American grain and presents a whole host of more complex problems.

All those years of Catholic school, and the verse from Luke has stuck with me. "And Jesus said, 'Therefore be merciful, just as your Father is also merciful."

 

[disneyjunkie]

Well as many of you know i believe in being direct and not beating around the bush, to the op what business is it of yours and why do you care? Now sure you will go into the whole i pay my taxes bit etc... and hey don't most of us but a big problem in this world is so many people passing judgement and minding other peoples business. The states set the criteria of who gets assistance, i work for the state here and the governor has just revised the household amounts for families who qualify for medical assistance from the state for their children. IF a person is working and they qualify for assistance then they should be entitled to it. If they decide to save their money to take their kids to disney world they God Bless them. Going to disney can be quite affordable if people plan, research and save. Again it really is none of our business.

Not the OP but I'll answer.(Sorry OP )

When you dip into my pocket, it's my business. When you post your business on a public message board, you make it everyone’s business.

Instead of saving their money to go on vacation, I think they should SAVE THEIR AND FEED THEIR KIDS THEMSELVES.

It makes me sick that there are people here collecting WIC while planning trips to WDW. I work my butt off day in and day out. My son and I do not receive anything from the government.

Last week I canceled our August free dining trip because I just couldn't afford it. Yet, I'm helping to pay for WIC collecting DISers to go on vacations.

 

[chobie]

Prefacing this by saying that I have no family members on welfare, no SILs who hock WIC formula on Ebay, no friends who know how to game the system, no firsthand knowledge of the dregs of society ... I do, however, pay 39% of my income (46% of bonuses) to taxes, and I have no kids, so I'm showing some mastery of birth control options here at age 27.

I have been lucky as hell. I was raised by a strong mother and taught that I have value and I can achieve whatever I want. Many, if not most, did not have that advantage. I do not expect every woman in the world to act intelligently, rationally or logically. Ironically, the fact that there are so many idiots in the world is the reason why we non-idiots make most of the money.

That being said, I have no desire to punish the son for the sins of the father, and I have a hard time envisioning Jesus cutting off welfare that benefits the six-year-old with zero advantages because his worthless mother, in the next of a long series of stupid decisions, stupidly got knocked up by some guy who plans on contributing exactly $0.

Even though it has ugly social policy implications ... I mean, honestly, who is going to reply to this thread and say "yes, we should be rewarding the clueless American women who gained no job skills and apparently couldn't figure out how to cross their legs or unroll condoms" ... I still sleep better knowing that we are an advanced enough civilization that we have cast a wide safety net, and we are going to try like hell to feed and shelter the kids who are born into situations that make most of us cringe. We will do this EVEN IF IT MEANS giving the cash to the worthless mother and crossing our fingers that most of it trickles down to the kids. We will stomach that because there's really no other way to do it without breaking up families, which violates the American grain and presents a whole host of more complex problems.

All those years of Catholic school, and the verse from Luke has stuck with me. "And Jesus said, 'Therefore be merciful, just as your Father is also merciful."

AMEN!

Whatever you do to the least of your brothers,
you do unto me.

 

[hentob]

Last week I canceled our August free dining trip because I just couldn't afford it. Yet, I'm helping to pay for WIC collecting DISers to go on vacations.

So sorry you had to cancel your trip. That stinks

 

[katiebsmom]

Well as many of you know i believe in being direct and not beating around the bush, to the op what business is it of yours and why do you care? Now sure you will go into the whole i pay my taxes bit etc... and hey don't most of us but a big problem in this world is so many people passing judgement and minding other peoples business. The states set the criteria of who gets assistance, i work for the state here and the governor has just revised the household amounts for families who qualify for medical assistance from the state for their children. IF a person is working and they qualify for assistance then they should be entitled to it. If they decide to save their money to take their kids to disney world they God Bless them. Going to disney can be quite affordable if people plan, research and save. Again it really is none of our business.

I have spent two hours of my Sunday afternoon being lured into this thread and you are the ONLY person whom I completely AGREE with. WELL SAID!!!

 

[summerrluvv]

I have spent two hours of my Sunday afternoon being lured into this thread

Yeah me too now. I told myself I wouldn't get sucked into anymore of these times consuming bickering threads and since the kiddos will be home soon, I'm done with this one. Have a great night everyone

 

[Charade]

I know quite a few folks that get Child Health Plus. People that live in nice houses and drive nice cars and people that actually take vacations. Like I said, I pay a premium for it, as do the other folks that I know. It's geared toward working families that have children without health insurance. If you don't want to take advantage of a program like that so be it.It's not like I'm sitting home and collecting welfare. I work. The alternative is no health insurance and I'm not about to go that route for my children.

Don't you think that some of those people have their priorities out of whack? If they can afford a nice home, a nice car and take (I consider WDW moderately expensive) WDW vacations, don't you think they should reduce expenditures in other areas to provide all they can before tapping the system? If they can do all that and can then save up for a WDW vacation, more power to them. Don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting people move into cardboard boxes under the overpass but if I couldn't afford insurance, I'd sell my house and move to a cheaper one before I'd tap the system. At stuff like that.

Even though you pay a premium, I believe it's subsidized by tax dollars.

 

[Cool-Beans]

Ahh but you are very wrong it is our business. When they take our hard earned money I should have a right to say how it's spent. Just because you don't care if someone defrauds the system or uses the money to take their family to Disney when we have over $1,000 a week taken from DH's check for Fed Income tax maybe if we didn't fund welfare we would be able to go sooner/longer/ better hotels. Because that money would be in our pockets to save not theirs after all we worked for it they DID NOT.

I think welfare is funded by the state, not the federal government. I might be wrong.

I'm wildly against taxes. So against them. Hate 'em, hate 'em, and hate 'em some more. The less, the better.

But of all the things those boneheads we call our government spend our money on, I think that welfare for single moms is probably the least of my worries.

If they stopped welfare - in all of its many forms - I'd be OK with that. But they'd better stop all that other unnecessary spending, too. And stop that first.

And no, I don't think women on welfare should get more money for more babies...but I doubt that any of them are actually having children to increase the welfare.

 

[Charade]

That being said, I have no desire to punish the son for the sins of the father,

Well, that happens whenever a parent end up in jail. What if the parents receiving assistance really were scamming the system and end up in jail? Should they stay out because by punishing them (for their greediness), we are also punishing their kid(s).

 

[CEDmom]

OP here, if you read my original post my objection was with women who continue to have children while receiving aid. Many of them are married women so we're not just talking about uneducated young women who are sweet talked by some sorry excuse for a man.

As I've said in several posts, by the grace of God DH and I don't find ourselves in a situation of needing aid. We'd have to be pretty far gone for that to happen but I suppose it could happen. However, we're fortune to come from families that value education and solid financial planning so we've never over-extended ourselves.

I'm all for helping people who are down on their luck. I think I've mentioned that I'm in the processing of raising $1000 for our soup kitchen and rescue mission and will be biking 200 miles in a few weeks for these organizations.

I realize there is huge waste of tax dollars everyday and I tackle those issues as best I can in the voting booth.

I guess the bottom line is that I'm astounded by the lack of social responsibility and morals. I know I'd have a hard time looking myself in the mirror if I was cheating the system to get things I want.