Do you think someone receiving assistance should continue to have children?

[poohandwendy]

buried 3 of them(with no help from the state)

I am sorry for your loss, I can't imagine burying one, let alone more than one.

That said, I don't understand why you added 'with no help from the state'? What point are you making?

 

[barkley]

We're taling low-end, entry-level positions that often no one wants to do--like cleaning public restrooms. Frankly if my husband or son is working a job like that, then I've got bigger problems than worrying about someone getting hired to do the same job.

IMHO the whole WTW program should make the jobs so uncomfortable for the worker that they'll complete whatever education program asap to find a "real job" and get off the dole, and basically fill slots that we can't fill with paid positions.

Anne

honestly, even those rotten jobs get hundreds and hundreds of applications. even if they paid minimum wage (which they don't) figure any kind of job that offers 15 days of paid vacation the first year, 12 days of sick, 3 floating holidays-and provides very good med/dental/mental health at very reasonable rates is pretty darn appealing to even people whose education/experience qualifies them for much more.

personaly i would'nt have any issue with my husband or child choosing to go into this type of work-i see nothing shameful or questionable about anyone who will take employment, any honest employment to support themselves or their family.

 

[disneyjunkie]

That said, I don't understand why you added 'with no help from the state'? What point are you making?

I did a search (ok I'm bored this morning )
MidgeD79 has had to deal with some really rough issues with her children and grandchildren. Things I can't even imagine dealing with.

Maybe she'll come back and discuss some of it.

 

[ducklite]

honestly, even those rotten jobs get hundreds and hundreds of applications. even if they paid minimum wage (which they don't) figure any kind of job that offers 15 days of paid vacation the first year, 12 days of sick, 3 floating holidays-and provides very good med/dental/mental health at very reasonable rates is pretty darn appealing to even people whose education/experience qualifies them for much more.

personaly i would'nt have any issue with my husband or child choosing to go into this type of work-i see nothing shameful or questionable about anyone who will take employment, any honest employment to support themselves or their family.

Around here most of those jobs pay a bit over minimum wage and don't give benefits like the ones you are talking about.

Anne

 

[MidgeD79]

The kids dad is dead, earned income credit pays for my wdw trip, I can make over $45,000 a year for my size family and still get WIC, and as far as burying my kids, the state will pay for a 2 hour visitation, and encourages cremation and no marker. My kids were buried with dignity using money that we were suppossed to go to WDW with. I'm going to step away from this because the 22 is the 4th anniversary of my son Michael's death and I did everything I could to make him happy in spite of 53 surgeries. Shame on you.

 

[BuzznBelle'smom]

Okay, Midge, I know you said you were stepping away, and I'm truly sorry for your loss. Really, I can't imagine.

But I have to ask: Do you not know that the EITC is a form of welfare? It's a "tax refund" on taxes you never paid! When we get a tax refund, it's on taxes we paid in excess of what we owed.

Please, at least try to see how this appears to be an unfair use of the taxpayer's money. If I'm not going to the Yacht Club this year, why should you--on my dime?

 

[poohandwendy]

The kids dad is dead, earned income credit pays for my wdw trip, I can make over $45,000 a year for my size family and still get WIC, and as far as burying my kids, the state will pay for a 2 hour visitation, and encourages cremation and no marker. My kids were buried with dignity using money that we were suppossed to go to WDW with. I'm going to step away from this because the 22 is the 4th anniversary of my son Michael's death and I did everything I could to make him happy in spite of 53 surgeries. Shame on you.

Wow, I was NOT trying to offend you. My question was asked because I would never assume anyones burial was paid for by the state. I didn't even know the state would help pay any part of a funeral or burial unless the deceased didn't have family. I wasn't sure why you added that to your post. It would never occur to me to add 'with no help from the state' when discussing a family members death/burial. That is why I asked.

I am sorry for your losses. There is no need to take offense when none is meant or intended.

 

[irishbosoxfan]

When I think of jobs that noone wants to do, I think of Mike Rowe.

Welfare agencies should order back seasons of his show "Dirty Jobs" and start passing out those jobs to people and see how long it takes before they finally get up and get a job.

And I don't believe children should get disability checks except for severe conditions only and if the parent didn't know the condition existed---My aunt and uncle both collected then got both my cousins on it--disgusting

I think the only way a child should get disability is if the medical costs of maintaining the child exceed the parents income.

As for welfare--people shouldn't be able to collect everything---If they get welfare they don't get Wic--If they get Wic they don't get housing--If they get housing they don't get welfare--If they get welfare they don't get utility assistance......

People say "Oh but they don't have it good on welfare"--the hell they don't!

Someone pays their rent,buys their food,provides free daycare,provides transportation,discounts their utilities(if not included in rent),gives them money for clothes once a year and spending money every month---did I forget anything?? What's left????

 

[ducklite]

The kids dad is dead, earned income credit pays for my wdw trip, I can make over $45,000 a year for my size family and still get WIC, and as far as burying my kids, the state will pay for a 2 hour visitation, and encourages cremation and no marker. My kids were buried with dignity using money that we were suppossed to go to WDW with. I'm going to step away from this because the 22 is the 4th anniversary of my son Michael's death and I did everything I could to make him happy in spite of 53 surgeries. Shame on you.

As much as I'm sorry for your losses, I'm still not understanding the mindset.

Why should it be the state's obligation to provide anything more than a simple casket and spot in the ground to bury an indigent person?

Earned Income Credit is just another form of welfare. Anytime you get a tax return that's larger than the amount you've paid in taxes, you are taking a form of welfare from other taxpayers.

And what does the amount you make have to do with anything? You continue to take taxpayer handouts yet you take vacations that many working, taxpaying folks could never afford. And you talk about shameful?

Anne

 

[barkley]

Wow, I was NOT trying to offend you. My question was asked because I would never assume anyones burial was paid for by the state. I didn't even know the state would help pay any part of a funeral or burial unless the deceased didn't have family. I wasn't sure why you added that to your post.

I am sorry for your losses. There is no need to take offense when none is meant or intended.

the state or individual counties will assist with any person's burial expenses if that person did not leave means by which to pay or are not eligible to the burial benefits afforeded via the social security or vet's programs. this service can be requested via either health or social services (depends on who administers in a given jurisdiction). the assistance is minimal and in some cases the agencies are fortunate enough to have local morticians who waive costs beyond their expenses to provide as much as the minimal amount will provide. creamation is the standard, but a person has only to say that the person had a religious or moral objection to creamation and burial will occur (though understanding that burial is much more costly it is generaly not what most would want in those circumstances).

 

[ducklite]

When I think of jobs that noone wants to do, I think of Mike Rowe.

Welfare agencies should order back seasons of his show "Dirty Jobs" and start passing out those jobs to people and see how long it takes before they finally get up and get a job.

Someone pays their rent,buys their food,provides free daycare,provides transportation,discounts their utilities(if not included in rent),gives them money for clothes once a year and spending money every month---did I forget anything?? What's left????

Medical--that's a biggie.

Anne

 

[CEDmom]

The kids dad is dead, earned income credit pays for my wdw trip, I can make over $45,000 a year for my size family and still get WIC, and as far as burying my kids, the state will pay for a 2 hour visitation, and encourages cremation and no marker. My kids were buried with dignity using money that we were suppossed to go to WDW with. I'm going to step away from this because the 22 is the 4th anniversary of my son Michael's death and I did everything I could to make him happy in spite of 53 surgeries. Shame on you.

Midge, I'm very sorry for your loss - I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

As far as vacations though, growing up if it hadn't been for the fact that a relative had a beach cottage we wouldn't have gone on any. With 4 kids, a mortgage and only 1 income there just wasn't $ left for stuff like that. You want to know something though, my brothers and I had no idea we didn't have money. We had everything we needed and somethings we wanted.

 

[barkley]

When I think of jobs that noone wants to do, I think of Mike Rowe.

Welfare agencies should order back seasons of his show "Dirty Jobs" and start passing out those jobs to people and see how long it takes before they finally get up and get a job.



when we visited alaska we passed the salmon hatcheries and the tour guide was telling us about how there are workers that manualy extract the eggs and semen to fertilize. i kept thinking of the episode of 'dirty job's' that featured this. when someone asked what the qualifications were the tour guide responded 'well, lets just say that around here parents tell their kids that if they don't straighten up and get good grades they'll end up 'squeezin and squirtin''

 

[meandtheguys2]

While I am very sorry for your loss, it has very little to do with the current point about taxpayers subsidizing vacations. If one can afford disney, regardless of earned income credit, etc., that money could/should be used for personal expenses and supporting one's family, rather than vacations.

We didn't have fancy vacations as children. It never killed any of us. And my mom was a single mom raising 3 children on a nurses salary.

 

[PattnFmly]

The very first time I ever went on vacation was when I was 16 years old. We rented a popup tent trailer and toured the East Coast for 3 weeks. We cooked all our own meals and ate at the picnic table. It was an adventure and a half! We thought it was a blast! What I didn't know ... was how long it took my parents to save for that vacation! Fancy trips here and there were not for us and I survived just fine thank you!

 

[katerkat]

When I think of jobs that noone wants to do, I think of Mike Rowe.

Welfare agencies should order back seasons of his show "Dirty Jobs" and start passing out those jobs to people and see how long it takes before they finally get up and get a job.

Hey, I want the job from ep#34 - candy maker! (OK, probably a bad example.)

 

[LindsayDunn228]

That is it. If you can afford expensive vacations, you can afford to feed your own kids. Why should taxpayers feed and provide medical care for your children so that you can use your money for vacations?

DING DING DING! We have a winner!

 

[LindsayDunn228]

And I don't believe children should get disability checks except for severe conditions only and if the parent didn't know the condition existed---

I totally agree! I became disabled at age 6 and NEVER got disability. Didn't want it, didn't need it, never applied for it.

Still don't receive it.

 

[mommanne]

This is the problem with society today and in the past 30 years. In the old days there was pride in being able to take care of and support one's own family. It didn't have to be much, but getting by was good enough.

Now society is all about keeping up with the Jones' and if getting by on the dole makes it possible, all the better.

I grew up with a friend born into a welfare family and she knew how to work the system. She got pregnant and refused to marry because she wouldn't get her welfare check that way because the child's father had a great job. She got housing assistance, welfare, food stamps, WIC, fuel assistance, clothing assistance, and she ate out every night because the boyfriend/child's father had the great job and the money to pay for it. She lived for 18 years that way until her child came of age and she couldn't get as much assistance and she finally had to get a job. She went on fabulous vacations on the boyfriend/fathers's money while I subsidized her lifestyle as a working stiff. She once told me that working and supporting herself wouldn't be worth it. Why get up and go to work every day when she could get everything for nothing?

There is no pride left in being self-supporting, it appears. It's too easy to get a handout and it seems to be acceptable because it's so easy. I have a disabled son and he could receive SSI but for what? I'm capable of feeding and clothing him and while we don't take great vacations as often as we'd like, I hope that I'm teaching him values. There is nothing truly free in this world and pride and self-sufficiency are important. At least they should be.

 

[mommanne]

Double post.