Do you think a college professor has the right to do this?

[RitaZ.]

Just stopping by to see if BCB stopped back by to comment on his thread. Hmm, I guess not.

He hasn't, but Jessica86 has.

 

[eliza61]

Ah well, when she started class her hours were different. This has been for the last 4 weeks. I have no idea what the syllabus says, and she made no mention of it.

My thoughts are that she is an adult woman, with adult responsibilities, doing all she can to further / improve herself. It isn't like she is an 18 year old kids who is a wiseguy. In her shoes, I do believe I agree with what she said, entirely. Plus, she paid the money, so she's supposed to get taught.

BTW, this is a community college class we are talking about, not Ivy League or anything. To me, it just sounds like a professor that is too full of himself.

IMO that doesn't matter. Let me ask, if this was a job would she be allowed to be consistently late.

I took a look at my sons syllabus from school, all the teachers mention absentees and lateness.

I think professor is fully within his rights to complain. Now it would have probably been nice if he spoke with the student afterwards, I'm not a big fan of public humilation.

 

[eliza61]

I think online classes are a great idea......as far as the distractions from someone walking into class, it is quite a pain but college prepares us for a career and the "real world". Distractions are always a part of that world, while on the job a person may be working on a project but the phone rings, someone stops to talk to them, a sudden meeting is called....it is a total pain but is part of the job. It is unfair that other students have to deal with this distraction but distractions are a part of life. Maybe some of the students don't mind because they think it is great that a mom of three, working a fulltime job is making a great attempt to get a degree. Shouldn't college also teach us how to be tolerant and human?

Nope. College is supposed to prepare you for real life. Real life is neither fair or tolerant.

 

[phorsenuf]

He hasn't, but Jessica86 has.

Do tell.....

 

[GinnyEmma]

Nope. College is supposed to prepare you for real life. Real life is neither fair or tolerant.

Isn't that the truth.

 

[wvjules]

I had no idea that BCB was PD.

 

[phorsenuf]

I had no idea that BCB was PD.

The polls should have given it away.

 

[agnes!]

Ah well, when she started class her hours were different. This has been for the last 4 weeks. I have no idea what the syllabus says, and she made no mention of it.

My thoughts are that she is an adult woman, with adult responsibilities, doing all she can to further / improve herself. It isn't like she is an 18 year old kids who is a wiseguy. In her shoes, I do believe I agree with what she said, entirely. Plus, she paid the money, so she's supposed to get taught.

BTW, this is a community college class we are talking about, not Ivy League or anything. To me, it just sounds like a professor that is too full of himself.

Many classes at community colleges are taught by teachers who are professors at four-year universities, in our area you can take the exact same class with the exact same teacher at a community college but for a whole lot less $$$ than a four-year Bachelor's degree-granting institution.

So that teacher you just dissed?...could actually be Ivy League (or pretty darn close to it).

BTW, I know many 18 year olds who are themselves much less of a smart-aleck/wiseguy than some so-called "adults" .

agnes!

 

[wvjules]

The polls should have given it away.

Well, in my defense, no one has ever accused me of being observant!

 

[A_Princess'_Daddy]

Nope. College is supposed to prepare you for real life. Real life is neither fair or tolerant.

While I don't agree with the behavior of the OP's daughter in the least, and completely support the Professor's right to remove her from the class (a right reserved and occasionally utilized by professors I had in the course of my undergraduate and both layers of graduate studies), your point is not entirely accurate.

The mission of Jesuit colleges and universities does include preparing their graduates for a life of fairness, tolerance, service to others, etc.

http://http://www.ajcunet.edu/The-Mission-of-AJCU

That having been said, I want to reiterate that the OP's niece sounds like she was way out of line and should have been a grown up and engaged her professor in a mature conversation when her work schedule changed. I worked full time, including extensive travel, while completing my third advanced degree and was always able to negotiate with my professors if I was going to be late, would be traveling and absent from class, etc. This was an advanced course of studies, where the rules on attendance are generally more flexible, but I do know that simply wandering in late would not have been looked upon fondly.

 

[bgirldeb]

Maybe some of the students don't mind because they think it is great that a mom of three, working a fulltime job is making a great attempt to get a degree. Shouldn't college also teach us how to be tolerant and human?

I would think the purpose of an education should focus more towards teaching the subject of the class, barring rude interruptions from inconsiderate students, along with maybe a little dose of personal responsibility.

I also would wonder how much time a mother of three spends with her kids after working full time and going to college.

 

[sbell111]

Ah well, when she started class her hours were different. This has been for the last 4 weeks. I have no idea what the syllabus says, and she made no mention of it.

My thoughts are that she is an adult woman, with adult responsibilities, doing all she can to further / improve herself. It isn't like she is an 18 year old kids who is a wiseguy. In her shoes, I do believe I agree with what she said, entirely. Plus, she paid the money, so she's supposed to get taught.

BTW, this is a community college class we are talking about, not Ivy League or anything. To me, it just sounds like a professor that is too full of himself.

I used to teach at a community college. If a student was consistently ten minutes late to my class, I would certainly consider booting her. If the student got mouthy in front of the rest of the class, she would not return.

 

[CurlyGirl]

Looks like the OP packed up his toys and left the sandbox? I'll give "Jessica86" the benefit of the doubt that she's working ...

 

[Planogirl]

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It's like I've told my kids for years, the world isn't waiting for you to join it. You are the one that has to adapt to the situation.

I loved your whole post but this is really good. I need to remember this one for my DS.

 

[Planogirl]

While I don't agree with the behavior of the OP's daughter in the least, and completely support the Professor's right to remove her from the class (a right reserved and occasionally utilized by professors I had in the course of my undergraduate and both layers of graduate studies), your point is not entirely accurate.

The mission of Jesuit colleges and universities does include preparing their graduates for a life of fairness, tolerance, service to others, etc.

http://http://www.ajcunet.edu/The-Mission-of-AJCU

That having been said, I want to reiterate that the OP's niece sounds like she was way out of line and should have been a grown up and engaged her professor in a mature conversation when her work schedule changed. I worked full time, including extensive travel, while completing my third advanced degree and was always able to negotiate with my professors if I was going to be late, would be traveling and absent from class, etc. This was an advanced course of studies, where the rules on attendance are generally more flexible, but I do know that simply wandering in late would not have been looked upon fondly.

You said that the graduates at this particular school were prepared for a life of fairness, tolerance and so on. However that would be the students themselves. They are still likely to encounter a lack of fairness and tolerance when dealing with the rest of the world. I think that the world's attitude would be more reflective of the professor's.

Not that I think he was wrong. The workplace will in most cases not tolerate someone being late each day and I think that it's important for students to understand that.

 

[disneyfan67]

He hasn't, but Jessica86 has.

It's quite the coincidence, isn't it?

Does anyone else think it's kind of strange that a newbie to this board, miraculously finds this thread and who seems to be the only one to agree with the OP, pops up and is defending the niece in this situation? This sounds like a case for Monk to solve.

 

[Mkrop]

While I don't agree with the behavior of the OP's daughter in the least, and completely support the Professor's right to remove her from the class (a right reserved and occasionally utilized by professors I had in the course of my undergraduate and both layers of graduate studies), your point is not entirely accurate.

The mission of Jesuit colleges and universities does include preparing their graduates for a life of fairness, tolerance, service to others, etc.

http://http://www.ajcunet.edu/The-Mission-of-AJCU

That having been said, I want to reiterate that the OP's niece sounds like she was way out of line and should have been a grown up and engaged her professor in a mature conversation when her work schedule changed. I worked full time, including extensive travel, while completing my third advanced degree and was always able to negotiate with my professors if I was going to be late, would be traveling and absent from class, etc. This was an advanced course of studies, where the rules on attendance are generally more flexible, but I do know that simply wandering in late would not have been looked upon fondly.

But this is community college so I dont think it has to adhere to a Jesuit philosophy.

I graduated from a Jesuit school and many of my profs had attendance policies as well. A lot didnt but the ones that did did not appear to be less tolerant...they just ran their class differently.

 

[luvmy3]

I would think the purpose of an education should focus more towards teaching the subject of the class, barring rude interruptions from inconsiderate students, along with maybe a little dose of personal responsibility.

I also would wonder how much time a mother of three spends with her kids after working full time and going to college.

Keep an eye out for shadows of pitchforks on the fiery glow of the horizon

 

[momrek06]

It's quite the coincidence, isn't it?

Does anyone else think it's kind of strange that a newbie to this board, miraculously finds this thread and who seems to be the only one to agree with the OP, pops up and is defending the niece in this situation? This sounds like a case for Monk to solve.

Hmm …

Didn't a DISer recently start a thread about OP's not returning to their very own thread when the replies are not quite going in the direction they had hoped? This would be one of those threads. Unless, PD, I mean BCB is Jessica86.

 

[mickeyboat]

It's quite the coincidence, isn't it?

Does anyone else think it's kind of strange that a newbie to this board, miraculously finds this thread and who seems to be the only one to agree with the OP, pops up and is defending the niece in this situation? This sounds like a case for Monk to solve.

I don't think we will be needing Monk ....