Do you think a college professor has the right to do this?

[bgirldeb]

Keep an eye out for shadows of pitchforks on the fiery glow of the horizon

Yeah, I thought about that

 

[CurlyGirl]

I don't think we will be needing Monk ....

Even my cats can figure it out ... and they're kinda stupid ...

(by kinda, I mean very)

 

[disneyfan67]

Hmm …

Didn't a DISer recently start a thread about OP's not returning to their very own thread when the replies are not quite going in the direction they had hoped? This would be one of those threads. Unless, PD, I mean BCB is Jessica86.

From the looks of the postings by this new Jessica poster who just happened to pop in, she may be the niece in the story.

The OP might have called in for reinforcements.

 

[nuttylawprofessor]

It's quite the coincidence, isn't it?

Does anyone else think it's kind of strange that a newbie to this board, miraculously finds this thread and who seems to be the only one to agree with the OP, pops up and is defending the niece in this situation? This sounds like a case for Monk to solve.

Sounds like another day on the internet.

 

[Deb in IA]

This thread is hilarious, and pretty enlightening, for those of us who cannot keep up with everyone's aliases (PD = BCB, etc).

Who needs soap operas like All My Children when we've got the Community Board on the DIS?

 

[A_Princess'_Daddy]

You said that the graduates at this particular school were prepared for a life of fairness, tolerance and so on. However that would be the students themselves. They are still likely to encounter a lack of fairness and tolerance when dealing with the rest of the world. I think that the world's attitude would be more reflective of the professor's.

Not that I think he was wrong. The workplace will in most cases not tolerate someone being late each day and I think that it's important for students to understand that.

OK, this was really more of an academic point, but to clarify, I was responding to the poster who said that it's not a college's job to teach fairness and tolerance by pointing out that Jesuit colleges and universities (which is a large set of Catholic institutions of higher learning that ascribe to the teachings of St. Ignatius of Loyola and not an actual institution) DO see it as their mission to teach fairness and tolerance and to prepare their students to treat others the same way. I wasn't implying that they are perfect at doing so nor that the OP's alleged niece goes to one. I am just trying to point out that the blanket statement was not correct. The teaching of tolerance isn't relevant, however, because being tolerant does not mean you allow people to flaunt the rules. In fact, a fairness doctrine could imply that the professor was correct because all students were held to the same standard, since he was not made aware of the OP's niece's "circumstances". If he had been, and if she'd worked with him as a mature adult (and if she even exists at all), the outcome likely could have been far different.

But this is community college so I dont think it has to adhere to a Jesuit philosophy.

I graduated from a Jesuit school and many of my profs had attendance policies as well. A lot didnt but the ones that did did not appear to be less tolerant...they just ran their class differently.

Yes, obviously it doesn't apply to a public community college, I was just pointing out that some schools do teach those principals, contrary to the opinion of the poster to whom I was responding, and my post had nothing to do with attendance policies at Jesuit or any other institution (which have nothing to do with fairness or tolerance, in my opinion). And as I said, I don't think the OP's niece was correct in any way, shape or form, I just wanted to make it clear that teaching fairness and tolerance IS the mission of many colleges and universities, including the twenty eight Jesuit colleges and universities in the United States.

 

[Alyssa88]

There was no way I was going to read the entire thread but I just wanted to add to what I am sure is what majority of the posters are saying.

Your niece had some audacity to speak to her professor like that, especially after coming in late each class without ever asking! When I was in college (no I was not a parent, but I did work full-time and had my own research study- which felt like a child, lol) I would always speak to the professor before class if I knew I might be late. It is called respect, for your professor and the other students.

 

[Mkrop]

I am sure cookies are being cleared as we speak and new IDs being formed...hmm what will be the next screen name...stayed tuned to How the DIS Posts

 

[klhill]

I have also not gone through and read each and every post.
But..

I have this to say about it.

I am currently taking classes right now, and at the beginning of the semester when each of the Prof. hands out the syllabus all the information about what he/she expects should be in there. All of my Prof. have always said that if there is a possibility that you are going to be a few minutes late to class then you need to come talk to me as soon as possible. I understand having work commitments but the classroom needs to be as distraction free as possible. As soon as she knew that she was going to start being 30 mins late then she should have contacted her Prof and talked to him about it.

 

[akhenaten]

There was no way I was going to read the entire thread but I just wanted to add to what I am sure is what majority of the posters are saying.

Your niece had some audacity to speak to her professor like that, especially after coming in late each class without ever asking! When I was in college (no I was not a parent, but I did work full-time and had my own research study- which felt like a child, lol) I would always speak to the professor before class if I knew I might be late. It is called respect, for your professor and the other students.

I totally agree... I went back to college as an adult with 3 children...and would certainly have spoken to the professor if I knew I would be late , especially if it was going to be more than once!!

 

[purplegirl247]

What's the fun in posting on a thread like this if you haven't read through its long and sordid history??

My favorite post, btw, was the one about the prof who let all the remaining students take the exam in advance, with the answers. Love it! Very clever.

 

[Sorilla]

What was the real reason she did not inform her Prof. In advance? This is relatively small issue should not grow into the threatenning situation that requires the security guard!

 

[Leajess99]

What was the real reason she did not inform her Prof. In advance? This is relatively small issue should not grow into the threatenning situation that requires the security guard!

She probably already knew the attendance policy of the Professor.

As for BCB, she has posted over on her bike riding thread.

 

[Aisling]

It's quite the coincidence, isn't it?

Does anyone else think it's kind of strange that a newbie to this board, miraculously finds this thread and who seems to be the only one to agree with the OP, pops up and is defending the niece in this situation? This sounds like a case for Monk to solve.

I agreed with the OP. Jus' sayin'.

 

[GinnyEmma]

because you think this woman had the right to disrupt the class every week?

 

[Aisling]

because you think this woman had the right to disrupt the class every week?

No, not at all. I just think the professor should have spoken to her privately after class. Just my opinion.

 

[CurlyGirl]

No, not at all. I just think the professor should have spoken to her privately after class. Just my opinion.

I think it's great that the prof. did this in front of the entire class. He totally set the tone for everyone! Now everybody in that class knows they can't pull the same crap as the OP's niece! If this woman can interrupt class and distract the prof., then he has every right to call her out on it and make his feelings about it known loud and clear!

 

[GinnyEmma]

No, not at all. I just think the professor should have spoken to her privately after class. Just my opinion.

Oh good! Although I agree with the pp.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

No, not at all. I just think the professor should have spoken to her privately after class. Just my opinion.

It is difficult to ask a disruption to leave the class, privately after class.

I'm sure the professor did not expect such a bold refusal from a student. The professor, it seems, had no intentions of discussing the problem during the class. The student decided to do that all on her own.

 

[Aisling]

I think it's great that the prof. did this in front of the entire class. He totally set the tone for everyone! Now everybody in that class knows they can't pull the same crap as the OP's niece! If this woman can interrupt class and distract the prof., then he has every right to call her out on it and make his feelings about it known loud and clear!

These are adults and they shouldn't be "called out" for consistently coming in late, especially if the student was making an attempt to be quiet. I just think high school when you say it's great did this in front of everybody. Just speak to her after class and tell her no more tolerance. And I would hardly calling being late all the time "pulling crap". That's my opinion. There's no right or wrong in this case when discussion the profs way of handling it. It's all just people's opinions.


Excuse my typos galore. Don't feel like fixing them.