Do I get six fast passes +??

[AndreaA]

So you're saying patience is not something that should be taught to toddlers? Or that people having entitlement issues aren't a problem with people today?

Please don't misread my posts, nothing
Is being said with anger or snark. Just honest questions, truly. She presented herself as someone who couldn't be bothered to wait in a line under any circumstance. Is her child more special than others?

I am saying that wanting a FP does not equal not ever teaching your child patience (as seems to have been implied). I am saying that a person wanting and being able to afford more FPs does not equal entitlement issues. What do you know of the OPs life beyond a couple of threads here? On what do you base your opinion that she is entitled? There is a HUGE difference between the societal issue of entitlement mentality and a mom wanting to have an easier time at WDW. If you can't see that, well, there's not much I can say to convince you.

I'm not misreading anything. You apparently are, however, as the OP never said, in any way, that she was someone who "couldn't be bothered to wait in a line".

If someone posted wanting to know what do do about her child wanting a Mickey Bar but being allergic to dairy, would you think the answer, "Why can't you teach your kid to accept she can't have everything?" was needlessly snarky (as well as unhelpful, since likely that is something already being taught!) or a valid response to the post?

Bottom line, the OP asked a simple question about tickets and FPs, and the fact that she happened to mention her reason for wanting some should not play into the answers whatsoever.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Personally i'm surprised a 2 year old would be scared of people screaming and a ride featuring ghosts - i mean what's to be scared of?

We took our DD on HM at 15 months, and she was totally fine. I'll admit she's a pretty chill child to begin with, and has never cried much to begin with, but I don't think it's fair to say just because a child is a certain age means they'll be scared of the ride.

 

[kmb584]

A 5 day ticket costs about $300 and gets you 15 FPs. That means each additional FP costs you $20 (unless you're using Common Core, in which case the answer is "Cat").

If the OP would like to purchase an extra ticket for the FP+ incentive, she's able to do just that. This thread has really gone off the rails.

 

[Angel Ariel]

You asked to be judged "am i a bad parent?" was your question.

Not in this thread...

 

[OtherScott]

Well, that's not exactly true. We have established that Disney's idea with the whole FP+ is to get people to stay in their parks, and spend money either on food or souvenirs. If everyone bought two tickets, but they still only spent the equivalent of one guest then they are significantly losing money. Sure, they will get the money for the tickets, but even though we try to minimize costs, we sure spend a lot more than a tickets worth on some days, especially when it's over the course of a 7-day ticket. You only have to spend what, $50 to be over what the cost of a day is. So, no, I don't think Disney would like that outcome.

Bingo!!

Love the "Cat" answer! HAHAHA!

That might come into play if Disney stopped selling tickets to new people because it wrongly believed it had surpassed max attendance. But even then, the double-ticket buyer has still forked over an average of $50 - $60. And remember, that money is for nothing. Even with high margins, food and souvenirs cost Disney something.

I'm betting that Disney would take the $60 bird-in-the-hand.

 

[TDC Nala]

I am quite sure that Disney did not intend for folks to buy additional park tickets in order to get around the FP restriction.

How many are going to do that? I sure wouldn't. And for most parties it is a very expensive proposition. There's going to be relatively few who can afford it, and even of those who can afford it, most won't place that high a value on extra fastpasses.

That's beside the argument some are making that folks who can afford it shouldn't be able to do it. If Disney finds it a problem they will block it, and make sure only one ticket can be used to book fastpasses.

 

[ljcastro18]

I EXPRESSLY noted I was not pointing at you in my post as I am totally of the opinion that a vacation is a vacation. I was actually referring to the people who blanketly say all over the DIS that they can't teach a toddler to wait in line or that it's impossible to make a kid wait or ' of course my child can't be expected to wait'.

One neat thing about teaching children something is the hope they will carry it with them later. Is Disney a hard place for kids to remember all the lessons we try to teach them - Heck yeah! - however, my point is that if you spend some time in life working on something there's a chance it will carry over even in a place of such sensory overload as Disney.

I will point to you and say that there are much better ways of articulating your point than singling someone out who wasn't actually directing something at you and calling them a name.

Oh no! please do not think my comments were aimed at you, I perfectly understood that you were not pointing at me, I just answered in your thread because what you said made sense and I was actually agreeing with you, so sorry if you thought my comment was directed at you, but I am sure most people in this thread know exactly who my comment was directed to, Again one thing is to have an opinion which I respect and the other thing is to be rude expressing such opinion, but then again that is just my opinion

sorry again for the misunderstanding

 

[OtherScott]

Should we start a new thread to discuss what ljcastro18 feeds her child, lets her watch on TV and at what age she should be allowed to date - or just keep it here?

 

[klitteral2009]

Well your negativity comes off as sour grapes.

You took the time to reply but I noticed you didn't answer my question about where she presented herself as a person who couldn't be bothered waiting in line under any circumstances. Just wondering what foundation you were basing that off of

Where am I negative? I'm merely stating my opinions on an open forum where someone implied that she was the only one with a two year old who wouldn't be happy with a long line

"so I am a bit worried that even with 3 fast pass reservations I am not going to be able to get on any rides without having to go through crazy lines which is not am option for me since my two year old is not very good at waiting in long lines'

THAT'S my foundation. Somehow this makes her case unique that her two year old isn't very good in waiting in lines? then go at a different time of year, plan your day by doing research and utilizing rope drop or any other strategy. OR she can purchase more tickets. As other posters have said, its doable but seems inefficient.

But say what you please, this thread holds little interest for me as it seems everything I post is being taken as threatening when I'm honestly just asking questions for discussion.

I hope the OP has a wonderful trip, no matter what she decides to do. Easter week will no doubt be crazy busy but manageable if she plans accordingly as I'm sure she will.

 

[Angel Ariel]

So if the majority of people could buy their way to the front of every line, you'd still be ok with it?

Pretty sure Universal offers that option at a cost to everyone (or included with the cost of certain onsite rooms). I don't hear people saying Universal should stop doing that (and you don't even have to have "endless amounts of money" to get a FOTL pass there)...

 

[BuckeyeBama]

That's beside the argument some are making that folks who can afford it shouldn't be able to do it. If Disney finds it a problem they will block it, and make sure only one ticket can be used to book fastpasses.

They really can't block it. If you put 2 "extra" people in your room and book FPs for them using "their" tickets, all Disney can hope to do is require that the tickets be used to leverage FP (like with FP-). That just requires that you walk out and come back in.

 

[WillAustin]

I'm betting that Disney would take the $60 bird-in-the-hand.

Especially on most days when the parks aren't at capacity. It's basically free money.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Who cares if it's for her daughter's sake or for hers? You think all the pre-three-year-olds being dragged around the parks are taking home meaningful memories of their visit? Absolutely not. They're there because their PARENTS want to be there and have the memories. And there is nothing at all wrong with that.

Amen! We've taken 21 month old DD to WDW twice since she was born. I certainly don't expect her to remember them. We went because *we* wanted to go, and we enjoyed taking DD with us. Seeing her face light up the first time she saw Mickey Mouse (which is how her nursery is decorated) was amazing! She won't remember it, but I will, and I have pictures to show her when she's older.

 

[#1DopeyFan]

So if the majority of people could buy their way to the front of every line, you'd still be ok with it? You waiting in a standby line while dozens of people who had the 'endless amounts of money' to get in front of you, that wouldn't irk you just a little? And who's mad that anyone makes more money than anyone else? How is that even a topic of discussion? My observation was that since she had 30,000 in disposable income that another few hundred wasn't an issue. I don't care how anyone spends their money, my problem was with the fact she was using her two year old as a reason to get more fp, when in fact, it was she who didn't want to brave the lines. Period. If you don't want the opinions of the passionate Dis members, then for gods sake don't bother posting.

Sure I'd be ok with it...again, if someone can afford it, whether I can or not, shouldn't matter to me one bit!! And apparently you do care how she/people spend their money when you spouted off "Money is the answer for some people."

Nope she isn't, but she has more money to spend on vacation either by choice or larger income and she is entitled to spend it on perks that others cannot. Unfortunately life isn't fair. My dh works long days and was lucky enough that he found a job at a successful company. He is making enough money that we can do lots of things others cannot, but my good friend can afford a 4,000 square foot vacation lake home that we cannot afford....is that unfair to me??? Nope, there will always be someone with less than you and always someone with more than you. I don't spend time worrying what others are getting that I cannot. I plan vacations with our priorities in mind(and like OP it is with getting as much, for lack of a better word VIP treatment). Do I think that makes someone who had to save for a year or two and brings all their meals in any less of a vacation or their family less special than mine...NO WAY. I just don't get why having more money and spending it to get a better experience would make it appear someone thinks they are better or more special or that they are bad parents for wanting to make a vacation as amazing as they can.

 

[dimndgal1]

Oh no! please do not think my comments were aimed at you, I perfectly understood that you were not pointing at me, I just answered in your thread because what you said made sense and I was actually agreeing with you, so sorry if you thought my comment was directed at you, but I am sure most people in this thread know exactly who my comment was directed to, Again one thing is to have an opinion which I respect and the other thing is to be rude expressing such opinion, but then again that is just my opinion

sorry again for the misunderstanding

appreciate the olive branch and hope you will understand my confusion!

I hope that however you choose to have a good vacation you do enjoy it! I think the day plan and park strategies presented would alleviate much (if any) waiting in line ((we did a similar strategy over summer and had major rides at MK knocked out in 2 hours with only 2 FP)). Also, fwiw, when we took DD at 18 months we found the best attractions were watching her find the magic in everything -- bushes, decorations, even the queue lines!

 

[ljcastro18]

I will tell you how:

Posting that OP will be terrorizing her child...that you are teaching your child you can buy your way out of problems, say you should do a proper job and have your child stand in line...IMO it was pretty much one poster that I would think the poster was referring to as the ***...but I am not them and cannot say for sure. I think many expressed their view of it being a waste nicely and I think that is fine, but name calling and insinuating someone isn't doing a proper job...or causing harm to their child seems unnecessary IMO.

Thank you so much!!! you are absolutely correct that is exactly who I am referring too, I have been composing myself throughout this post, once again I respect all opinions, but as my friend here has stated I think these comments cross the line of good taste and exceed the goal of this thread, again this is my opinion

 

[ljcastro18]

*sigh* sour grapes. Yep. That's it. Man you guys are great at calling out behavior that has no foundation to base it off of. God forbid someone say something negative.

Excuse me but saying that I terrorise my child for me is taking it over the top and has more than enough foundation for calling the behaviour sour grapes, specially since it does not have to do anything with this thread.

 

[EMode]

Where am I negative? I'm merely stating my opinions on an open forum where someone implied that she was the only one with a two year old who wouldn't be happy with a long line

"so I am a bit worried that even with 3 fast pass reservations I am not going to be able to get on any rides without having to go through crazy lines which is not am option for me since my two year old is not very good at waiting in long lines'

THAT'S my foundation. Somehow this makes her case unique that her two year old isn't very good in waiting in lines? then go at a different time of year, plan your day by doing research and utilizing rope drop or any other strategy. OR she can purchase more tickets. As other posters have said, its doable but seems inefficient.

But say what you please, this thread holds little interest for me as it seems everything I post is being taken as threatening when I'm honestly just asking questions for discussion.

I hope the OP has a wonderful trip, no matter what she decides to do. Easter week will no doubt be crazy busy but manageable if she plans accordingly as I'm sure she will.

You are the one who said "god forbid someone say something negative" so you must know how you came across in this thread.

I found some examples though, I mean sure you say things like "I don't care how other people spend their money" but your overall tone of what the OP is doing is pretty negative.

I think what the OP wants to do is her prerogative. Do I think it makes sense? No. But then again you're looking at someone who has 30k in disposable income to have a Club 33 membership. Money is the answer for some people. If I had that kind of money I don't know that I wouldn't be looking for ways to buy more FP too but to pass it off as your 2 year old needs them because they 'can't' wait in line is absurd. It's the OP who wants to avoid the lines and not have to 'manage' her toddler in a line. Threads like this make people comment the way they do because a lot of us have to save and budget for our Disney trips. We can't all just buy our way to the front of every line. Everyone is looking for instant gratification nowadays.

And as I was told in a seperate thread the other day, this is a discussion board. Everyone has an opinion, and if you ask a question you had better be prepared for a variety of responses...positive, negative and yes, sometimes downright snippy.

Yes and no. I don't really see anyone trying to tell her how to raise her child but more of what they do, what they've seen out of other children etc. If this would have simply been "can I buy more tickets to get more FP+" I think it would have been a far different discussion. The OP chose to explain why, and opened her decisions up to discussion.

Like I said, it's her trip, and her money so she can do as she likes. All I'm saying, and what I believe others Are trying to say is that maybe teaching a child a little patience wouldn't be such a bad thing either. It can be done.

So if the majority of people could buy their way to the front of every line, you'd still be ok with it? You waiting in a standby line while dozens of people who had the 'endless amounts of money' to get in front of you, that wouldn't irk you just a little? And who's mad that anyone makes more money than anyone else? How is that even a topic of discussion? My observation was that since she had 30,000 in disposable income that another few hundred wasn't an issue. I don't care how anyone spends their money, my problem was with the fact she was using her two year old as a reason to get more fp, when in fact, it was she who didn't want to brave the lines. Period. If you don't want the opinions of the passionate Dis members, then for gods sake don't bother posting.

So you're saying patience is not something that should be taught to toddlers? Or that people having entitlement issues aren't a problem with people today?

Please don't misread my posts, nothing
Is being said with anger or snark. Just honest questions, truly. She presented herself as someone who couldn't be bothered to wait in a line under any circumstance. Is her child more special than others?

Yeah after seeing all your posts together, I'm sticking with the sour grapes thing. Definitely.

 

[mom2rtk]

That might come into play if Disney stopped selling tickets to new people because it wrongly believed it had surpassed max attendance. But even then, the double-ticket buyer has still forked over an average of $50 - $60. And remember, that money is for nothing. Even with high margins, food and souvenirs cost Disney something.

I'm betting that Disney would take the $60 bird-in-the-hand.

I'd put money on that too.

Especially on most days when the parks aren't at capacity. It's basically free money.

Yep. Same as the discussions about how Disney doesn't want us loyal repeaters because they are focused on first timers. Disney really wants as many income streams as possible.

 

[bigskip]

As the a*** in question. i didn't mean to offend, and maybe i shouldn''t have combined the two threads.

I hope we all have great vacations.

OP - Sorry. HM is my fave ride too. I'd rider swap with you any day.