Do "Change Party Fast Passes" violate Disney rules?

[AngiTN]

Ok - I posted this scenario in the sticky and I think it is still ok but now I am worried. Last Friday was both our AP renewal day (3 guests) and also our T60 day booking day I did try and renew early btw!

I first booked the 2nd day of our trip using my nieces valid profiles and valid tickets (they will be joining us in December) as I was hoping to get FOP! (and did) I then renewed our AP's and booked the rest of our FP+ with our AP's and finally since I couldn't book that one FOP FP+ on our APs I used the change party option. Xx fingers this is ok since it was done 60 days prior to using them although my nieces won't be on that trip.

So is it ok to use legitimate MDX profiles with valid tickets as "place holders"?

Probably one of those grey areas that no one knows for sure.
In your case I'm going to bet (not know, just bet) you are fine.
First, you aren't entering the park and then making this change. You aren't trying to get additional FP over the initial 3 you are allotted for the day
If I understand it right, you needed a media to book due to a quirk in your renewal date so you used a ticket that was available to book and then, when you could renew, moved the FP from the other person to you. You will then use your AP to enter the park and to use the FP. It may or may not fit in the TOS (I'm not sure anyone knows, this for certain right now, even Disney) but I don't think you are going to find yourself with an locked MDE account.
Now, if you tried to save those FP and book some for yourself and then use those FP too, that's different. But that's not what you are doing.

 

[Boski]

Should we just try to simplify it?

Ticket A enters the park, Ticket B enters the park: OK to change party
Ticket A does not enter the park, Ticket B does not enter the park: OK to change party
Ticket A enters the park, Ticket B does not enter the park: NOT OK to change party

 

[hiroMYhero]

See, this is way to confusing.

This was posted earlier,

"The valid theme park admission associated with your Site/App account and used to make FastPass+ selections must be the same valid theme park admission that you will use for entry into the park on the day the FastPass+ selections are redeemed."

In tjmw's example, the ticket she used wont be used to enter the park.

The FPs are now linked to tickets that will be used for park entry on that specific FP day.

Disney changed their "Copy" function to Change Party. "Copy" also wasn't addressed in the TOS but was a valid function of MDE FP booking.

* It's best to remember that FPs used in the park must link directly to MDE Profiles where linked tickets have been used to enter the park.

 

[AngiTN]

Should we just try to simplify it?

Ticket A enters the park, Ticket B enters the park: OK to change party
Ticket A does not enter the park, Ticket B does not enter the park: OK to change party
Ticket A enters the park, Ticket B does not enter the park: NOT OK to change party

I think this is a fairly good synopsis. And for item 2, this would include changes made before the trip begins. I simply can't see how making changes made to FP before the day they are redeemed is ever a violation. But that's me. I just can't see a way to scam any extra FP using that change feature

 

[Mike2023]

Should we just try to simplify it?

Ticket A enters the park, Ticket B enters the park: OK to change party
Ticket A does not enter the park, Ticket B does not enter the park: OK to change party
Ticket A enters the park, Ticket B does not enter the park: NOT OK to change party

This is probably the best so far and the way Disney intends it.

Maybe you should re write their TOS for them and send it off. ;-)

 

[DonaldDuck77]

I think this is a fairly good synopsis. And for item 2, this would include changes made before the trip begins. I simply can't see how making changes made to FP before the day they are redeemed is ever a violation. But that's me. I just can't see a way to scam any extra FP using that change feature

Agree. This makes sense, but has been specifically mentioned previously for not being allowed under the TOS. Not just a vague rule, but not allowed. I guess we will assume these posters are being TOO strict with their interpretation.

 

[Mike2023]

Agree. This makes sense, but has been specifically mentioned previously for not being allowed under the TOS. Not just a vague rule, but not allowed. I guess we will assume these posters are being TOO strict with their interpretation.

I agree, the way it is written in the TOS it's clear that it's in violation of the TOS because the ticket used at the time to book the FP will not have been used to enter the park on the day the FP is redeemed. But I doubt Disney intends that to be the case.

 

[AngiTN]

I agree, the way it is written in the TOS it's clear that it's in violation of the TOS because the ticket used at the time to book the FP will not have been used to enter the park on the day the FP is redeemed. But I doubt Disney intends that to be the case.

Well, if you are getting that technical then anyone who upgrades their ticket to an AP wouldn't be able to use any FP booked with the ticket since the ticket would not be used to enter the park at all. That ticket is gone.

Needless to say, I don't see it nearly as clearly as you, and some others, do.

 

[calablovedisney]

I would say 4 people go to the park, 2 people decide they don't want to ride Space Mountain so they switch passes to the other people in their party. That would fit in the TOS I believe.

This is what I asked about earlier in the thread, but thought the response stated it is for use before you go on your trip. Currently, we have 4 fp for TOT, only 2 on my party ride it. all other attractions we want to do together so made no sense for 2 of us to grab another FP (we also have TSM and ST for that day). So, we may switch bands, but if change of party is allowed in this scenario then after 2 ride TOT once, then I could switch them over for 2 more. I kind of like that option since we don't have to physically change bands. Not a big deal either way. In this way we are still using what we are allotted at a time, not getting extras, but I found this information all interesting. thanks

 

[cdnjason]

I'm finally clear on the issue. Thanks everyone. I apologize for being clueless.

For the record, I'm glad Disney closed the loophole. There's no reason for people to cheat the system.

 

[Mike2023]

Well, if you are getting that technical then anyone who upgrades their ticket to an AP wouldn't be able to use any FP booked with the ticket since the ticket would not be used to enter the park at all. That ticket is gone.

Needless to say, I don't see it nearly as clearly as you, and some others, do.

I'm not sure I would agree with that. I think the act of upgrading a ticket or converting a ticket can be debated as being the same ticket. In the example given the ticket remains the same and wont be used. After the vacation is all said and done, that ticket still remains.

And I would not say I see things clearly. lol

 

[hiroMYhero]

This is what I asked about earlier in the thread, but thought the response stated it is for use before you go on your trip. Currently, we have 4 fp for TOT, only 2 on my party ride it. all other attractions we want to do together so made no sense for 2 of us to grab another FP (we also have TSM and ST for that day). So, we may switch bands, but if change of party is allowed in this scenario then after 2 ride TOT once, then I could switch them over for 2 more. I kind of like that option since we don't have to physically change bands. Not a big deal either way. In this way we are still using what we are allotted at a time, not getting extras, but I found this information all interesting. thanks

You can only change the FPs if the recipients have completed their initial 3 FPs for the day. That's why @AngiTN and others recommend MB Swapping.

 

[PrincessArlena'sDad]

Should we just try to simplify it?

Ticket A enters the park, Ticket B enters the park: OK to change party
Ticket A does not enter the park, Ticket B does not enter the park: OK to change party
Ticket A enters the park, Ticket B does not enter the park: NOT OK to change party

This is how I think most people think it SHOULD be.

disclaimer: this is based on how I interpret the T&C

Actually, according to the T&C, the ticket for which the FP was originally booked must be used to enter the park.

"The valid theme park admission associated with your Site/App account and used to make FastPass+ selections must be the same valid theme park admission that you will use for entry into the park on the day the FastPass+ selections are redeemed."

I agree this is a valid interpretation. I think a 2nd interpretation could be:
"If you book an advance FP, and if you enter the park, then you must use the ticket used to book the FP"

The key is that the TOS doesn't (and can't) actually require someone to go to the park if they book a FP for that day. So, if you book a FP, and decide not to go to the park at all, you can't violate the TOS. The conditional on the TOS, "must be the same valid theme park admission that you will use," concerns how you enter the park and but nothing to do with using or transferring the fp.

The TOS really doesn't address the possibility of someone booking a FP, and then not entering the park at all.

 

[5DisneyNuts]

I'm finally clear on the issue. Thanks everyone. I apologize for being clueless.

For the record, I'm glad Disney closed the loophole. There's no reason for people to cheat the system.

Don't apologize we are all in the same boat, I'm glad you are clear. We have no idea what the loophole is. The only thing we know for sure is using a MB without media attached in the park for a FP is no longer allowed.

Other than that, we have multiple interpretations on the Terms and Agreements, what we believe Disney is intending, and whether or not what we do will be considered "cheating".

I look forward to seeing the updated FAQs.

 

[Mike2023]

This is what I asked about earlier in the thread, but thought the response stated it is for use before you go on your trip. Currently, we have 4 fp for TOT, only 2 on my party ride it. all other attractions we want to do together so made no sense for 2 of us to grab another FP (we also have TSM and ST for that day). So, we may switch bands, but if change of party is allowed in this scenario then after 2 ride TOT once, then I could switch them over for 2 more. I kind of like that option since we don't have to physically change bands. Not a big deal either way. In this way we are still using what we are allotted at a time, not getting extras, but I found this information all interesting. thanks

Ya, there is a bunch of confusion about when you can make the switch. The way the TOS says it, you can make the switch anytime you want as long as the original ticket enters the park on the day the FP is used. The easiest option of course would just be to take the bands from those who don't ride and go ahead and ride with them, but that would actually be in violation of the TOS as I understand them anyways.

In the end though, you are not trying to "game" any type of system so you will be fine regardless. The only thing that you want to avoid is switching them on the day of in the event that 2 of the passes are not used to enter the park.

 

[AngiTN]

Someone, in one of the threads, may have been one of the deleted threads, said they thought that the "tickets ownership of the FP" for lack of better phrase, may well pass with the FP, from one ticket to another. The person who posted it explained it much better than I have here. But they felt that it's entirely possible that If user A books FP with their ticket and then moves the FP to user B the TOS requirement moves with the FP from User A to User B and as long as the one to redeem the FP is the one that entered the park, it's all within the TOS

 

[MikeandReneePlus5]

Wow I had no idea. We are a party of 7 and in the dark ages of paper FPs we would get 7 for something and if a few didn't want to ride they gave their paper FPs to the others to ride twice. Was that against policy back then? And if we had extra FPs we didn't use we would just bless someone else by saying "here you go 4 for Soarin' we are leaving for the day". Man that always felt good as people were so thankful! It even happened to us as recipients once.

So first trip under FP+ we had 7 for SDMT and the older kids decided to sleep in and me and the youngest took our magic bands and two of theirs, entered the park with them in our pockets and rode it twice. Is it the case now that trying to do that would get my MDE locked??

 

[StraightToDumbo]

Nothing has changed since they were paper. The reason it doesn't matter who uses the FP is because physically it's the same amount of people entering the queue. No change to volume=no problem.

 

[DonaldDuck77]

With the assumption that change party is allowed before day of use, what about this?

"Family of 4" A has valid tickets. "Family of 4" B does not yet. Family A makes FP+ reservations (no intention of using them). Sometime between making reservations and day of, Family B purchases tickets and "change party" function is used to transfer from Family A to Family B. Family B enters park and uses FP+. No "extra" FP+ are being used. This seems to be a violation of the "letter of the law" of the TOS, but not the "spirit".

 

[hiroMYhero]

So first trip under FP+ we had 7 for SDMT and the older kids decided to sleep in and me and the youngest took our magic bands and two of theirs, entered the park with them in our pockets and rode it twice. Is it the case now that trying to do that would get my MDE locked??

This could lead to your MDE getting flagged as the FPs used were linked to tickets that had not been used for park entry.