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I wouldn't be happy married to or even seriously dating a guy who refused to go look for a steady job either. And if I had 3 DD's I sure wouldn't want them to grow up thinking husbands/dads weren't supposed to work/pay attention to their families and that all husbands/dads do is yell all day.

She's doing what is best for herself and her kids. She gave this guy more than a decade to get his act together and clearly, he doesn't want to. If anything, her DD's will probably learn not to tolerate being treated like a doormat and learn to be strong women.
 
OP, I hope you just skip over the sanctimonious posts of people like the one above me ^^ and focus on your own mental health.

As for those who are preaching to the OP about her "vows" and her greed, puh-lease. You have no idea unless you've walked a mile in her shoes. If you're married to a boat anchor who isn't responsive to begging, crying, pleading for change, counseling - - how exactly is he honoring his vows? A marriage is a partnership and like someone else said, if the love has died a long sad slow death over years - - it's gone. There is no sense in continuing in misery and subjecting your kids to that both a) to model in their adult life and b) make them unhappy.

OP, I was married to a man just like the one you are, and I sympathize 100% for what you have endured. I was never happier than the day my divorce was finalized. Yes, it's hard to be the "bad guy" but your husband is passive-aggressive in this by refusing to meet you halfway or respond to years of requests to become an equal partner in your marriage.

Best of luck to you and I really liked Phinphans' story of the woman in the ravine. The best thing I can recommend for you is 1) find a good counselor for yourself and your kids and 2) find a church or community divorce recovery group that meets for the adults and the kids. Even if you don't think you need it, your kids might and you might be a role model for someone there who is struggling to get through their situation.
 
OP, I hope you just skip over the sanctimonious posts of people like the one above me ^^ and focus on your own mental health.

As for those who are preaching to the OP about her "vows" and her greed, puh-lease. You have no idea unless you've walked a mile in her shoes. If you're married to a boat anchor who isn't responsive to begging, crying, pleading for change, counseling - - how exactly is he honoring his vows? A marriage is a partnership and like someone else said, if the love has died a long sad slow death over years - - it's gone. There is no sense in continuing in misery and subjecting your kids to that both a) to model in their adult life and b) make them unhappy.

OP, I was married to a man just like the one you are, and I sympathize 100% for what you have endured. I was never happier than the day my divorce was finalized. Yes, it's hard to be the "bad guy" but your husband is passive-aggressive in this by refusing to meet you halfway or respond to years of requests to become an equal partner in your marriage.

Best of luck to you and I really liked Phinphans' story of the woman in the ravine. The best thing I can recommend for you is 1) find a good counselor for yourself and your kids and 2) find a church or community divorce recovery group that meets for the adults and the kids. Even if you don't think you need it, your kids might and you might be a role model for someone there who is struggling to get through their situation.

Your an Enabler.

Its always someone elses fault. Boo hoo my husband doesnt make enough money to make me happy, boo hoo everything isnt lollipops and rainbows why should a relationship take work. Boo hoo the job I pushed him into still isnt good enough and we had to cancel our trip to Disney, boo hooo, I deserve better than this.

Yes, I am sure for 12 years he provided nothing to the relationship, is a terrible father and a wretch of a human being. Maybe thats true, but from the information 'single mom and loving it' shared, thats not how it comes off by a long shot.

Marraige and family is a committment that doesnt always come with getting everything your way and being happy all the time. But just about everyone that has replied is too selfish to even acknowledge that and feels better to just provide a willing shoulder and agreeing knod to the OP. Its no wonder the divorce rate is so high and families are a thing of the past, its all about me, me, me and everyone else be darned.
 
I am sorry that your marriage is not working out. I am wondering something(I have not read all the posts if already answered sorry...does he have any idea :confused3 have you both already discussed this as a possibility...or is he going to be floored?

My only advice is that you talk to him first before bringing the kids into the fix.

Good luck and strength to all of you to move on.
 

Your an Enabler.

Its always someone elses fault. Boo hoo my husband doesnt make enough money to make me happy, boo hoo everything isnt lollipops and rainbows why should a relationship take work. Boo hoo the job I pushed him into still isnt good enough and we had to cancel our trip to Disney, boo hooo, I deserve better than this.

Yes, I am sure for 12 years he provided nothing to the relationship, is a terrible father and a wretch of a human being. Maybe thats true, but from the information 'single mom and loving it' shared, thats not how it comes off by a long shot.

Marraige and family is a committment that doesnt always come with getting everything your way and being happy all the time. But just about everyone that has replied is too selfish to even acknowledge that and feels better to just provide a willing shoulder and agreeing knod to the OP. Its no wonder the divorce rate is so high and families are a thing of the past, its all about me, me, me and everyone else be darned.

If my husband refused to pull his weight in our marriage for YEARS, I would divorce him too. No way would I put up with being married to someone who is lazy or refuses to meet me halfway. A successful marriage takes commitment on both parts. If one person is pulling all of the weight, then it will eventually be draining and exhausting. Nobody should have to put up with unacceptable behavior from a spouse just because they took a vow.

So, I stand by my support for the OP. Obviously she has her reasons. Unless you have been through a divorce, I guess it's hard for you to imagine someone wanting to end a marriage. Life isn't always happily ever after. You can't beg, plead, love, nag, or make a person step up to the plate and do what it takes to make a marriage work. It takes both people.

You called many people here selfish. I guess it was selfish of me to divorce my drug-addicted husband. I guess it was selfish of me to want to raise my child in a home free of illegal substances. Until you have walked in a person's shoes, you ought to keep an open mind and maybe not be so quick to label other people. Just because the OP hasn't listed every detail of her marriage, does not mean she is selfish to want a divorce.

BTW, I have been happily married for over 14 yrs to someone who pulls his own weight and does not use illegal drugs. I guess I should have stayed in the miserable marriage though...ya know, since getting a divorce is selfish and all.

Oh, and it is :You're an enabler, not your an enabler.
 
Okay I read the whole thread and got my questions answered. Some people are being down right mean and others are just patting her on the back and basically saying "You go girl"...both are unfair to the poster and her husband.

We dont have both sides..sorry..but we dont. It takes to to tango. I have been married for 28 years. Marriage is not easy. It takes work. However like I said it takes 2 to tango and that goes for every marriage.

In my marriage I live my life...DH lives his life and we live our life together. We are together all day long...he works out of the house and I am a SAHM....we work great together. My point to this is if DH did not hold up his bargain in our marriage and I was working all the time and I needed to have to kick him in the but all the time to work than I could only take that for so long. Just I also have no doubt that if I did not hold up my side of the bargain that entails being a SAHM and sat around all day in my Jammie's and did the bare minimum he would only take that for so long. Marriage is a partnership...buy the way I was a practicing Nurse for 22 years before I became a SAHM.

I am sure that this is not the only reason that this marriage is falling apart. But we all know how finances is the #1 reason for divorce these days.

If this marriage has come to the point where there is no saving it than for all involved...yes even the children ... it should end. It will only cause for a unhappy household to stay together.

But word to the wise for the OP.....be sure that you end your marriage after trying everything possible ...everything, because when you do walk away you will want to walk away knowing that you did everything you could to save your marriage, and if you cant you will be able to walk away with a clear conscience....however if you no longer love this man than to stay in a loveless marriage is not only unfair to you but just as much for him.

Best of luck to you and your family in 2009.
 
Or maybe they just fell out of love. I am a firm believer that if you are not happy, you should not stay & continue to be unhappy for the rest of your life. Life is too short....

I am so sorry for the OP, but I think she is very brave and strong for making this very difficult decision.:hug:

But if you are not happy leave the children in their home and don't destroy it for everyone else that just screems spoilt brat.
 
OP, after reading your updated post, I think that you seem to understand what you are needing to do. I know some have posted that you are being selfish but I do not agree. It sounds like you have been trying to be supportive but not being met halfway. Sometimes, carrying the whole load is a bit much to handle especially when you started this WITH a partner!

I do think that your husband is failing to understand is that is actions are causing consequences for your family that you do not seem to want to bear any longer. If you were independently wealthy as a family, the kids do not have to go without and you are not borrowing from family to make the mortgage than going from one get rich scheme to another is not so bad. When it impedes on the family some thing eventually has to give.

Good Luck and I really hope that you guys end up doing this without too much hassle and the kids are able to get through it. Taking them to the counselor is a great idea, but possibly it might be something you and dad can talk about to them together. They will need to hear from dad right away he is not leaving them but you and he can not be married. He needs to be there to assure them. It was the one thing my children were upset about. Their dad was miles away, and I was left to tell the kids we were divorcing. They could not get a hold of him when they called and they to this day say it felt like he just abandoned them and never said anything comforting. I do think it is important that the kids know that.

Kelly
 
To the point where his parents have had to help us make the house payments for the last six months and we cancelled our big WDW trip at Christmas (which we had planned for over a year!).


Yes, I have been on the Dis before under a different name, won't list that here,

but am not scared that he will see because he posted a thread about his parents cancelling our WDW vaction with them and he got hammered by several posters and vowed not to return to this site. ?


:confused3 I remember that thread and I had posted on it. But it definitely sounded as if a woman posted it and a long time poster. No wonder your inlaws cancelled the trip-they were paying your mortgage!But the way the thread was written, your inlaws were the "bad guys":confused:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1990686
 
:confused3 I remember that thread and I had posted on it. But it definitely sounded as if a woman posted it and a long time poster. No wonder your inlaws cancelled the trip-they were paying your mortgage!But the way the thread was written, your inlaws were the "bad guys":confused:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1990686

Thank you for sharing that link. It was written by the wife, not the husband. Interesting.
 
no matter what GET a lawyer>>>>my dh and his ex did not and he got shafted! It took us years to get it straight and the way it should be...at least have a lawyer read your paperwork with you...
 
OP, I think to answer an earlier question, if you do decide to do mediation then, yes, it is still wise to get a lawyer. From everything I've heard, agreement or not, it is very difficult to navigate the legal system. So, you go to a mediator to work out your settlement and then you present the finalized mediation papers to a lawyer who draws them up and files for you in court. You only need a few hours of a lawyer's time at that point and the lawyers are doing absolutely no negotiations for you.
 
You people will excuse and apologize for anyone. Its systematic of whats wrong with America today.

She admits she's not happy that her husband doesnt make the same kind of money she does. Guess I missed that vow.

She only throws in the 'he yells at the kids' in passing. Heaven forbid a father be allowed to discipline his children.

People like the OP make the soon to be divorced spouse out to be the bad guy/girl all the time so they can feel justified in there own actions. One of the many reasons that the kids get pulled in all sorts of unnecessary directions.

Sorry I dont feel the need to cater to the sympathetic whining of a woman who is 'newly divorced and ecstatic about it' and feels the need to tell the dis world before approaching her own family on the subject.

Exactly-And it does seem to me that it IS about $$$; my God-yeling at the kids- well I yell @ my kids and so does my DH-if that makes him a bad parent-WOW! I was basing MY OPINION on what was written-period-sounds overall like a lame excuse for divorce. And I think it's really messed up-for want of a better term-that she's excited about it-and her husband doesn't know-??? WTH??? un friekingbelievable...:rolleyes1
 
Exactly-And it does seem to me that it IS about $$$; my God-yeling at the kids- well I yell @ my kids and so does my DH-if that makes him a bad parent-WOW! I was basing MY OPINION on what was written-period-sounds overall like a lame excuse for divorce. And I think it's really messed up-for want of a better term-that she's excited about it-and her husband doesn't know-??? WTH??? un friekingbelievable...:rolleyes1

I think it's pretty difficult to come on a message board and aptly explain 14 years of marital problems and all of the nuances that go into it. The OP summarized why she was divorcing and, I suppose, at face value it is over money. I don't know whether she's full of it or has a valid case; however, the point of this post was not about judging her or hearing her case in court. She asked about the next step for divorce. She didn't really ask for our opinions. But people can't really help it here, I guess. And I gave my own opinion too.

Honestly, I don't understand the need to have a witch trial on every thread like this. You can't possibly KNOW what she has or has not been through with this guy, and you won't. So just move along and give the advice on divorce proceedings if you know it.

As I said, way upthread, I have a friend who was married for over 25 years, 2 kids, and if she summed it up in a paragraph as the OP did, it would sound just the same and you all would be bashing her.

But, you know, I watched her for 20 of those years suffer with this guy (who is a nice guy, BTW) but he wouldn't GET A REAL JOB. She supported him for at least 15 years and helped him with his endeavors, was his greatest cheerleader, etc. But after years and years of financial difficulty, two bankruptcies, and more that you would not believe, she cracked under the pressure. They did go to counseling and tried to work it out and he was always the one deemed "not pulling his weight." At some point it is truly not fair to the other spouse and most human beings can't put up with that stress and strain for long.

They have finally divorced, she feels so free and they had a very amicable divorce. However, he does continue with his "ways" and will not pay the court ordered child support because he still can't. It is still very hard on her. But she doesn't have to live it anymore. And no, she's no gold digger.
 
from the OP view I can see why she would be concerned about his lack of earning money. As long as they are married his loses are her's. She is the one who is responsible for 1/2 or more of his debts. If you are in a marriage and he is only adding debt and you are the one paying it has to end.

There is no way to stop the lose of funds unless she gets out. I am sure the house will go to the payment of the debt or to the bank. ONce the divorce gets going she will get a clear picture of where they are in debt and how much is hers.

I will bet she has no idea what the total costs are yet. I have been there. I could not belive the debt and how much I had to pay. My only way out was bankrupcy. Not a place I want to be again.

All the support I through we had was gone. I ended up with the IRS on my case as well.

GET OUT NOW. GOOD LUCK
 
Your an Enabler.

Its always someone elses fault. Boo hoo my husband doesnt make enough money to make me happy, boo hoo everything isnt lollipops and rainbows why should a relationship take work. Boo hoo the job I pushed him into still isnt good enough and we had to cancel our trip to Disney, boo hooo, I deserve better than this.

Yes, I am sure for 12 years he provided nothing to the relationship, is a terrible father and a wretch of a human being. Maybe thats true, but from the information 'single mom and loving it' shared, thats not how it comes off by a long shot.

Marraige and family is a committment that doesnt always come with getting everything your way and being happy all the time. But just about everyone that has replied is too selfish to even acknowledge that and feels better to just provide a willing shoulder and agreeing knod to the OP. Its no wonder the divorce rate is so high and families are a thing of the past, its all about me, me, me and everyone else be darned.

wow.....:confused3
 
And I think it's really messed up-for want of a better term-that she's excited about it-and her husband doesn't know-??? WTH??? un friekingbelievable...:rolleyes1

Yes, I find that disturbing as well. She made up a new name on this board claiming to be single and she has not even told her family about it.
 
:confused3 I remember that thread and I had posted on it. But it definitely sounded as if a woman posted it and a long time poster. No wonder your inlaws cancelled the trip-they were paying your mortgage!But the way the thread was written, your inlaws were the "bad guys":confused:

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1990686

Not taking sides here, but I have to wonder what's up with a poster who tells us her DH posted here about an issue when it was clear that she wrote the post herself. (She even refers to her DH and in-laws.) What else in this story is getting 'spun?' Just serves as a reminder for me that this is an anonymous board with all of the fabrications and biases that anonimity brings.
 
But if you are not happy leave the children in their home and don't destroy it for everyone else that just screems spoilt brat.


So a spouse should leave their children with a spouse that lies..cheats, or does drugs or beats them because they want to leave?? Tell me..what are you smoking??
 
OP-

You need to slow down. I get that you are feeling liberated by your decision, and that's okay. Hold on to that positive energy, beacuse you are going to need it - there is a lot of work to be done, and likely some challenging times ahead.

Telling your husband and children is just not something you can plan and expect to go any particular way. You can remove yourself from the situation, but the process of divorce can be slow and it's often difficult. You have been working this out for yourself for some time now, but it is not realistic to expect your children not to need at least as much time to work it out for themselves. You'll need to tread carefully for their sakes, and they may not be able to move as quickly as you into a new life. The reality of single parenting is that your childen's needs will drive your life from now on, since there is no one else to lighten that load. As excited as you are, remember when you first became a parent: you could not have accurately predicted how you would find parenting, no matter how much you read, heard or thought you knew. Well, the process of becoming a single parent is like doing that all again. :headache:

Based on your first post, it also looks like you are making assumptions about what you are going to be able to do that may not hold up. You do not get to decide who leaves the financial burden of the house, regardless of who leaves the actual physical building. The two of you, if mediating, or the courts will decide on the disposition of the marital home. If it being foreclosed upon, that will likely effect both of your credit reports. :headache:

Additionally, you cannot base your new life's budget on child support from a man who has a history of not working. Your lawyer can work up estimates on the child support formulas all you want - you cannot get blood from a turnip. If there is no paycheck to garnish, you're not going to see any money. Having a court order does not make him into a suddenly responsible person who is going to work enough to see that the obligation is taken care of.:rolleyes1

Your life and the life of your DDs is going to drastically change. Some of the changes will be good, but some will be hard. Really hard. It doesn't mean it isn't the right thing to do, but you have to go into this with your eyes wide open. :eek:

I'm not trying to rain on your parade but I really do think you're getting ahead of yourself by looking at apartments before you've told your spouse. You are not single, divorced or even separated yet. You have made the first decision.

Congratulations. :flower3:

I wish you a successful journey on your new road.
 
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