Disneyland workers say they live in cars and motels due to low pay

[longboard55]

Based on my experience, High School kids really don't want jobs in particular food service or janitorial. If you think we can fill all these jobs with high school kids good luck

 

[Smugpugmug]

everyone keeps saying its crazy to pay fast food workers $20/hr, but everyplace we go to have help wanted signs. I think the bottom line is low wage workers were underpaid for a long time and are catching up now

Yeah, every single store I've been to recently has a help wanted sign out front and they're insanely understaffed and yet they ghost people who apply. It seems like they don't actually want to hire people.

 

[sam_gordon]

I am not. I am speaking of entry level, minimum wage jobs in general.

Aren't a lot of CM's "entry level, minimum wage jobs"?

 

[kdonnel]

Yeah, every single store I've been to recently has a help wanted sign out front and they're insanely understaffed and yet they ghost people who apply. It seems like they don't actually want to hire people.

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For someone looking for a job, the practice sucks!

 

[Smugpugmug]

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fake-job-listing-ghost-jobs-cbs-news-explains/#:~:text=Forty-percent of companies said,from career site Resume Builder.





For someone looking for a job, the practice sucks!

Fully aware about fake job listings unfortunately. Looking for a new job right now (want a change from my current one) and I've probably sent over 100 applications and been ghosted for all of them. My friends are having similar results.

It's why I don't want to hear any "No one wants to work anymore" whining and complaining ever again

 

[kdonnel]

Based on my experience, High School kids really don't want jobs in particular food service or janitorial. If you think we can fill all these jobs with high school kids good luck

Expanding on that I think there has been a shift in what employees are willing to put up with since covid.

I know I can see a difference between what my wife a Gen-X and my daughter a Gen-Z are willing or not willing to do at work.

Both are teachers.

My wife is much more willing to work hours without pay or buy needed materials for the classroom. Other teachers from her generation at work behave in a similar way. They work hours at home and spends $100's every month on their classroom.

My daughter and the other young teachers won't work outside of the hours she is being paid. The work just waits until the next school day and if it is necessary to trade instruction time for paperwork time, that is what happens. And if the school does not provide a needed resource, the kids miss out because my daughter is not going to use her money to close the gap. That activity just doesn't happen.

I think this shift started with the Millenials and is accelerating with later generations.

 

[tvguy]

Aren't a lot of CM's "entry level, minimum wage jobs"?

I have no idea. The lowest paid job at Disneyland I see is $19.90 an hour, plus tips and commission. California requires job ads to include what the pay for the job is. Minimum wage in Orange County, California is $16.

https://parksjobs.disneycareers.com...r-tenaya-stone-spa-part-time/1678/64725422272

If you find a lower paying job, let me know.

https://parksjobs.disneycareers.com/search-jobs?k=&kt=1&ascf=[{%22key%22:%22industry%22,%22value%22:%22Disneyland%20Resort%22}]

 

[bdrex28]

everyone keeps saying its crazy to pay fast food workers $20/hr, but everyplace we go to have help wanted signs. I think the bottom line is low wage workers were underpaid for a long time and are catching up now

Perhaps, but I also think some of it is just posturing by these companies. My youngest is 16 and he's applied to like every place around that all say "help wanted" no one calls back ever. I feel like they just keep a sign in the window......

 

[bdrex28]

Expanding on that I think there has been a shift in what employees are willing to put up with since covid.

I know I can see a difference between what my wife a Gen-X and my daughter a Gen-Z are willing or not willing to do at work.

Both are teachers.

My wife is much more willing to work hours without pay or buy needed materials for the classroom. Other teachers from her generation at work behave in a similar way. They work hours at home and spends $100's every month on their classroom.

My daughter and the other young teachers won't work outside of the hours she is being paid. The work just waits until the next school day and if it is necessary to trade instruction time for paperwork time, that is what happens. And if the school does not provide a needed resource, the kids miss out because my daughter is not going to use her money to close the gap. That activity just doesn't happen.

I think this shift started with the Millenials and is accelerating with later generations.

I work in consulting. I see this constantly from the I'd guess 28 and under or even 30 or under. They want it all right "now". Now, not every single person that age group is like that, but I see it way more than I used to. new hire: "Why can't I be on the consulting team with the Fortune 100 company?" Us: "because you have very little experience and that's a very tough gig. We need you to build up your confidence and experience first. We'll involve you so you can be the fly on the wall and learn, but not assigned to the team". Employee: "I've decided to tender my resignation, I can't wait 3 or 4 years to learn more"

 

[sam_gordon]

I have no idea. The lowest paid job at Disneyland I see is $19.90 an hour, plus tips and commission. California requires job ads to include what the pay for the job is. Minimum wage in Orange County, California is $16.

https://parksjobs.disneycareers.com...r-tenaya-stone-spa-part-time/1678/64725422272

If you find a lower paying job, let me know.

https://parksjobs.disneycareers.com/search-jobs?k=&kt=1&ascf=[{%22key%22:%22industry%22,%22value%22:%22Disneyland%20Resort%22}]

I do notice they're not looking for the custodial, ride attendant, ticket taker, etc. THOSE are the folks I anticipate getting minimum.

 

[Chili327]

Using the rule that no more than 30% of gross income should go to rent, that means that to afford $2,300 a month in rent a person should gross $92,000 a year.

Is there really an expectation that Disney should pay a minimum of of $45 an hour for all jobs?

As a consumer I sure would not want to pay the prices Disney would need to charge to have a minimum pay of $45 an hour.

As a stockholder I sure would not want to see the reduction in profits and stock performance Disney would see if they paid a minimum of $45 an hour.

I am not sure what the solution is but I don't think it is Disney giving Ms Carranza a 218% raise.

I agree. And the flip side, IMHO there are jobs that are not ever going to pay a "living wage" because their value to the economy isn't worth a living wage. Those are the jobs for High School and College students and retired senior citizens looking to make a little extra money.

I know these posts were a few pages back, but i wanted to just say this is a big difference. Some jobs aren't meant to be a career, & if they are then they should be paid like one. Period, end of story. Some jobs are meant to be part time or fill in, extra cash, etc. Not sure how "they" could classify a job to be such or not, but that is the difference.

 

[tvguy]

Perhaps, but I also think some of it is just posturing by these companies. My youngest is 16 and he's applied to like every place around that all say "help wanted" no one calls back ever. I feel like they just keep a sign in the window......

I have heard that complaint, but then I go into our favorite mom and pop burger place and the owner is waiting on customers because the 16 year old he hired didn't show up for their assigned shift and didn't call. So certainly that is the case in some instances, but not all.

 

[tvguy]

I know these posts were a few pages back, but i wanted to just say this is a big difference. Some jobs aren't meant to be a career, & if they are then they should be paid like one. Period, end of story. Some jobs are meant to be part time or fill in, extra cash, etc. Not sure how "they" could classify a job to be such or not, but that is the difference.

I agree 100%. That doesn't mean that there isn't an avenue within that company to move up to a career with much more than a living wage. Fast food jobs in particular because you might only need to cover the breakfast and lunch rush hours, and if you have full time people you have people sitting around doing nothing in between the rush times.
I know in broadcasting employers use split shifts for some full time workers. 4 am to 8 am and 3 pm to 7 pm was a common work schedule.

 

[Chili327]

I know in broadcasting employers use split shifts for some full time workers. 4 am to 8 am and 3 pm to 7 pm was a common work schedule.

When i first moved to SoCal, i volunteered for 9 days straight for 16hrs a day to get my foot in the door of a production company. Some jobs require more passion to get the right person, & that is just a fact of life.
It doesn't mean that career jobs shouldn't make a living wage, it just means there are instances where they don't need to pay so much. That is the answer technically, and i think it used to work that way, when you worked less than a certain number of hours you got paid accordingly (i think it was 32 or maybe even 38?), probably should lower that number to 20hrs or less, That way they can't just hire everyone for 30hrs and pay them like a part timer & not enough time to have a 2nd job... just spitballing. lol

 

[Jim Libasci]

Fully aware about fake job listings unfortunately. Looking for a new job right now (want a change from my current one) and I've probably sent over 100 applications and been ghosted for all of them. My friends are having similar results.

It's why I don't want to hear any "No one wants to work anymore" whining and complaining ever again

I've been looking looking for a new customer service/it job in Northern Il. for a year now. just hit 6 months since my last job. 1 get 2-3 calls a day from recruiters. there are hundreds of jobs posted online that I've applied at. I've had 3 interviews before this week and no call back after the interviews. This week I've got 2 "real" interviews. out of 100+ jobs applied for.

 

[tvguy]

When i first moved to SoCal, i volunteered for 9 days straight for 16hrs a day to get my foot in the door of a production company. Some jobs require more passion to get the right person, & that is just a fact of life.
It doesn't mean that career jobs shouldn't make a living wage, it just means there are instances where they don't need to pay so much. That is the answer technically, and i think it used to work that way, when you worked less than a certain number of hours you got paid accordingly (i think it was 32 or maybe even 38?), probably should lower that number to 20hrs or less, That way they can't just hire everyone for 30hrs and pay them like a part timer & not enough time to have a 2nd job... just spitballing. lol

I was an intern for 4 semesters and a summer at the first station I got hired at. They joked I was the only intern in the retirement plan.

 

[DisneyHardin]

I know I can see a difference between what my wife a Gen-X and my daughter a Gen-Z are willing or not willing to do at work.

Both are teachers.

My wife is much more willing to work hours without pay or buy needed materials for the classroom. Other teachers from her generation at work behave in a similar way. They work hours at home and spends $100's every month on their classroom.

My daughter and the other young teachers won't work outside of the hours she is being paid. The work just waits until the next school day and if it is necessary to trade instruction time for paperwork time, that is what happens. And if the school does not provide a needed resource, the kids miss out because my daughter is not going to use her money to close the gap. That activity just doesn't happen.

That's interesting because I see the opposite at my school. I am Gen-X, nearing retirement age and the older I get, the less I am willing to spend of my own money to keep things running in my classroom when I know the School District has plenty of money.

It's the young, new teachers that I see bringing in Target bags every single day with things for their classes. It's the young teachers who volunteer for all the club sponsors/coaches/talent show organizers that require hours and hours of unpaid out of school time.

 

[kathyk2]

Expanding on that I think there has been a shift in what employees are willing to put up with since covid.

I know I can see a difference between what my wife a Gen-X and my daughter a Gen-Z are willing or not willing to do at work.

Both are teachers.

My wife is much more willing to work hours without pay or buy needed materials for the classroom. Other teachers from her generation at work behave in a similar way. They work hours at home and spends $100's every month on their classroom.

My daughter and the other young teachers won't work outside of the hours she is being paid. The work just waits until the next school day and if it is necessary to trade instruction time for paperwork time, that is what happens. And if the school does not provide a needed resource, the kids miss out because my daughter is not going to use her money to close the gap. That activity just doesn't happen.

I think this shift started with the Millenials and is accelerating with later generations.

I don't think you are being fair to your daughter younger teachers are paid less than experienced teachers so they may not have the extra money to spend. Your wife has the benefit of your income as well. Teachers shouldn't have to spend money out of pocket for their students. We don't ask that of any other profession. BTW I'm older GenX so I'm older than your daughter.

 

[kdonnel]

I don't think you are being fair to your daughter younger teachers are paid less than experienced teachers so they may not have the extra money to spend. Your wife has the benefit of your income as well. Teachers shouldn't have to spend money out of pocket for their students. We don't ask that of any other profession. BTW I'm older GenX so I'm older than your daughter.

I guess I was misunderstood again.

I think my daughter is the one that is right.

AT NO POINT SHOULD ANYONE BE WORKING UNPAID.

Teachers should not have to supplement their classrooms with their own money.

Teachers have been expected to put in 20-30% more hours for free for ever.

It needs to stop.

No matter the profession you should be paid for every hour worked.

I have told my wife she should stop and ask herself "What would our daughter do?" before buying something for her classroom or working at home.

I think the current generations are doing it right.

They are demanding more money. They are working only paid hours.

The Gen-x and especially the Baby Boomer work ethic needs to die.

 

[tvguy]

AT NO POINT SHOULD ANYONE BE WORKING UNPAID.

That's what all my Internships were in the 1970's, basically working unpaid for the job experience. Actually, the Intern was paying to work since a requirement to get an internship was that you were getting College credit for it. So you were paying tuition to your College to get the Internship.
Certainly not that way now as state labor departments caught on, which is why Internships have disappeared in my former industry.