Disneyland Reopening Speculation Superthread

[TikiTikiFan]

Would be nice if Disney made an announcement on this one way or another. We have booked a trip for late June hoping that things truly are open but would consider moving it up if we can come sooner.

I have a feeling Disney is banging their head on their desk in frustration.

Isn't that what it said before?

Yup, no changes to it at all so far. It's just listed down at the end of that PDF.

 

[TikiTikiFan]

I get it, BUT, the full reading of the guidance for the industry does NOT have this in it. It does have it for others that I believe it was included for (sports arenas, concert venues, etc... And it says vaccination and testing would be for ALL guests, not just out of state.) Hopefully there is some guidance today to clarify.

I'm all on board with showing my vaccination card but I think it gets murky when it comes to requiring negative tests for kids. They should just have it only apply to adults that are eligible to be vaccinated. But if other events are asking for negative tests for kids, theme parks wouldn't be any different.

Either way, yikessss. Not much proofreading going on with these PDFs on the state level. Like literally, no one read that and realized how confusing it was? Not one person?!

 

[Bigmace]

I have a feeling Disney is banging their head on their desk in frustration.

I know Disney would gladly take our out of state money right now!

 

[upritbass]

• Fully vaccinated persons from out of state may visit or attend activities or events that are restricted to in-state visitors. Fully vaccinated persons should consult the current CDPH Travel Advisory and adhere to any applicable recommendations. "

This is clear as mud. Notice the use of "should" instead of "must" and "recommendations" instead of "requirements". I think SW is forcing CDPH to clarify the policy without needing to take them to court. Sneaky.

 

[Malcon10t]

I'm all on board with showing my vaccination card but I think it gets murky when it comes to requiring negative tests for kids. They should just have it only apply to adults that are eligible to be vaccinated. But if other events are asking for negative tests for kids, theme parks wouldn't be any different.

Either way, yikessss. Not much proofreading going on with these PDFs on the state level. Like literally, no one read that and realized how confusing it was? Not one person?!

Actually, it is 12 and older (did a bunch of digging this am.) Because they made a synopsis in one PDF it is really confusing. But if you go thru the industrial guidances, each one is 12-20 pages long and clarify just about everything.

 

[TikiTikiFan]

In a way it does, though. Theme parks were NEVER included in "activities or events". It was made very clear over and over again here. So there is no reason to automatically assume it does now. In the end, it may, but that would have to be made clear instead of assuming.

On that PDF page the word events is used for venues/etc. but you don't see anything defined as an 'activity' which is probably why SW saw a way to pushback on it. Technically anything on that list can be an "activity."

But honestly, pages of speculation on this board tells ya right there they need to work on their clarity issues. If it was crystal clear, this wouldn't even be a convo.

It is a clever way to push back on the state though because really, how is it okay for them to (yet again) be the only business excluded from being able to do this? I think the previous poster that mentioned this a sneaky way of making them clarify without a lawsuit is spot on. SW saw a loophole and caused a stir. No one was even talking about this until they made the first move.

You could make a Lifetime movie out of all this drama!

 

[TikiTikiFan]

I just feel bad if families started planning vacations, taking it as gospel if the state is going to come in and say "oops, that's not what we meant"

Not me... if folks can't be bothered to do their research before hopping on a plane, well... that's on them. It's like when people would show up not knowing what FastPass was. Like sucks for you man but we have things like the internet for a reason.

As for the activities - those have been clarified on the state website since we went on a tier system. It's the word they used to define each business sector (movie theaters, gyms, indoor dining, etc are all considered activities on the blueprint). Theme parks has always been the third group - so it's been activities, events and theme parks.

Right, we all know that, but you're missing the point. The language SW is solely relying on here is without that context. We all know it didn't include theme parks but if it wasn't stated explicitly in this most recent update that creates an opportunity to pushback.. which SW clearly took. Look at it from a savvy lawyer perspective.

I agree Disney has a mess on their hands either way. If I were them I'd just stick with the June 15th plan and ignore all this business. But if the guidelines suddenly shift to require proof of vaccines from everyone then yikes, what an even bigger mess.

 

[Bigmace]

Not me... if folks can't be bothered to do their research before hopping on a plane, well... that's on them. It's like when people would show up not knowing what FastPass was. Like sucks for you man but we have things like the internet for a reason.

My Grandma told me that her Pastor went on a road trip to California last fall with plan of going to Disneyland for a few days and were just going to buy tickets at the gate. Obviously it was closed, how do you not check on these things during a world wide pandemic?! That story gave me a good laugh.

 

[TikiTikiFan]

I'm not missing the point. SW did what they wanted, but there was no expectation that theme parks would have be spelled out because they were never included before. So it would take the addition of them to the guidance, not them being expressly excluded. Should the state have been clearer? Absolutely. But we need to stop acting like this new guidance inherently includes things it never did before.

I don't blame theme parks for pushing back on some of this. I've never understood the different standards they've been held to.

Right, and that's exactly what I said- the state definitely needs someone to proofread their guidance to improve the clarity of the rhetoric they're using. Then these issues wouldn't be happening.

Honestly, I'm happy to see one of the theme parks pushing back. I wish they all would have taken legal action way back in 2020.

 

[TikiTikiFan]

My Grandma told me that her Pastor went on a road trip to California last fall with plan of going to Disneyland for a few days and were just going to buy tickets at the gate. Obviously it was closed, how do you not check on these during a world wide pandemic. That story gave me a good laugh.

I have a friend that oversees a ton of student housing complexes in Southern California and she's said similar things. She's like "oh are you sure they're not open?" Like oh hunny, believe me they're not.

 

[Malcon10t]

That is the thing, CDPH put out very specific guidance to every industry. Here is the link for Theme Parks. Nothing in there about vaccinations. And specifically says no out of state.

https://files.covid19.ca.gov/pdf/guidance-amusement-theme-parks--en.pdf

Personally, I don't care one way or the other. I just care about businesses skirting the rules. We have seen so much of that during this mess.

 

[AZMermaid]

This development has been public enough that hopefully in the end, it gives us a really clear answer.... one way or the other!

 

[TikiTikiFan]

This development has been public enough that hopefully in the end, it gives us a really clear answer.... one way or the other!

Leave it to SW to be the ones to cause a bunch of chaos.

I was surprised to even see this get as viral as it did... nearly every Disney blogger has posted about it by now.

 

[TexasChick123]

I never understood the original ban on out-of-state guests anyway as COVID doesn’t stop at a state line.

I just want to be able to visit DL if I choose and not wear a mask outdoors. Is that too much to ask???

 

[kristensideaoffun]

I never understood the original ban on out-of-state guests anyway as COVID doesn’t stop at a state line.

I just want to be able to visit DL if I choose and not wear a mask outdoors. Is that too much to ask???

In the state of California, yes it is. Wearing a mask outdoors in a place like Disneyland is here to stay long after the out-of-state visitor ban is lifted.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

I never understood the original ban on out-of-state guests anyway as COVID doesn’t stop at a state line.

I just want to be able to visit DL if I choose and not wear a mask outdoors. Is that too much to ask???

Because CA worked hard to get our numbers as low as they are now and we don't want to see spikes because other states followed a different plan. It's not that it will stop it completely, but it's another mitigating factor. I understand the frustration, but I also understand the decision.

To your comment specifically, you wont be able to have both. Masks are around for awhile in CA and that includes in Disneyland.

 

[TexasChick123]

In the state of California, yes it is. Wearing a mask outdoors in a place like Disneyland is here to stay long after the out-of-state visitor ban is lifted.

 

[Malcon10t]

To your comment specifically, you wont be able to have both. Masks are around for awhile in CA and that includes in Disneyland.

Just to add on, masks aren't required in Florida at all, and Disney has it mandatory in their parks. It will remain in at Disneyland for a while....

 

[AZMermaid]

Living and teaching in AZ, masks are no big deal at this point! I saw an IG video of unmasked people in public and it seemed so strange!

 

[Bigmace]

Living and teaching in AZ, masks are no big deal at this point! I saw an IG video of unmasked people in public and it seemed so strange!

Went to Vegas a few weekends ago and half the people outside did not have masks. And they were required to be worn in the casino the only place I saw it enforced was at the tables and at the pool if you were not in the pool or eating/drinking.