Disney to ban chanting?

[disnut8]

I think the suggestion was to ban groups that won't stop chanting, even after being warned. Not all groups.

But, the point is - how to determine which groups will chant and which ones will not? Have a policy that chanting tour groups will be banned from the parks and all tour groups will say they don't chant so they will be left in. And chant once they are in the parks. Getting them out after that isn't going to be easy. Disney can't say "any tour groups from these countries will be banned because they chant" and well, that's a huge lawsuit waiting to happen since American cheerleaders and sports groups then can be let in and chant if they want. Banning any tour group from any park before they enter is just not going to work.

 

[DisneyPrince1982]

But, the point is - how to determine which groups will chant and which ones will not?

You don't have to pre-determine anything. The CM's just have to open their ears (like a bunny rabbit does) and listen for chant noises from large groups. Then go tap their leader on his shoulder, get the group's details, let them know they must cease and desist from chanting or be dismissed from the park, and then phone the details in to the security team. Security team will keep records so if same group is caught chanting a 2nd time, security will then tell CM "Yup they're outttttttttttttttttta here."

 

[nilla]

But, the point is - how to determine which groups will chant and which ones will not? Have a policy that chanting tour groups will be banned from the parks and all tour groups will say they don't chant so they will be left in. And chant once they are in the parks. Getting them out after that isn't going to be easy. Disney can't say "any tour groups from these countries will be banned because they chant" and well, that's a huge lawsuit waiting to happen since American cheerleaders and sports groups then can be let in and chant if they want. Banning any tour group from any park before they enter is just not going to work.

If a group is chanting, a CM issues a warning. If the warning is ignore, eject the group. It would have to be more of a response than a precaution.

 

[ChloesDaddy]

If a group is chanting, a CM issues a warning. If the warning is ignore, eject the group. It would have to be more of a response than a precaution.

Why not make good use of the magic bands in the process? Each CM could have two small electronic devices to scan the group leaders' magic bands. Maybe the scanners could be shaped like little cards for them to show the group leader before scanning their band to log the warning or ejection in the system. The warming cards could be yellow and the ejection cards could be red.

 

[goofy4tink]

But, the point is - how to determine which groups will chant and which ones will not? Have a policy that chanting tour groups will be banned from the parks and all tour groups will say they don't chant so they will be left in. And chant once they are in the parks. Getting them out after that isn't going to be easy. Disney can't say "any tour groups from these countries will be banned because they chant" and well, that's a huge lawsuit waiting to happen since American cheerleaders and sports groups then can be let in and chant if they want. Banning any tour group from any park before they enter is just not going to work.

Seriously? Of course no one can tell by looking, at the park entrance, which groups are going to be obnoxious and which ones aren't. But as soon as a CM hears that chanting happening? They approach the 'chaperone' and inform them that chanting is not allowed in the parks and to please stop. If they don't stop, security will be called and they will be escorted from the parks. If/when the chanting continues, the CM calls security and off they go. And this goes for every single group...I don't much care if they're Brazilian girls or American cheerleaders. You continue to chant, after being told to stop, you get to leave the park. Period.
No one, not one person or group, has the right to negatively impact someone else's day. And don't tell me that Disney 'needs' the tour group money. We have all paid to be there. And don't tell me that the groups feel that chanting is fun for them and enhances their enjoyment so they should be allowed.

 

[DisneyPrince1982]

Why not make good use of the magic bands in the process? Each CM could have two small electronic devices to scan the group leaders' magic bands. Maybe the scanners could be shaped like little cards for them to show the group leader before scanning their band to log the warning or ejection in the system. The warming cards could be yellow and the ejection cards could be red.

Good idea, and once the bands are triggered for ejection, a countdown will start, let's say 5 minutes. The entire group has 5 minutes to leave the park, any stragglers remaining will be lifted up by a giant machine in the sky, never to be heard from again.

 

[ChloesDaddy]

Good idea, and once the bands are triggered for ejection, a countdown will start, let's say 5 minutes. The entire group has 5 minutes to leave the park, any stragglers remaining will be lifted up by a giant machine in the sky, never to be heard from again.

The Claaaaawwww....

 

[Flight]

Seriously? Of course no one can tell by looking, at the park entrance, which groups are going to be obnoxious and which ones aren't. But as soon as a CM hears that chanting happening? They approach the 'chaperone' and inform them that chanting is not allowed in the parks and to please stop. If they don't stop, security will be called and they will be escorted from the parks. If/when the chanting continues, the CM calls security and off they go. And this goes for every single group...I don't much care if they're Brazilian girls or American cheerleaders. You continue to chant, after being told to stop, you get to leave the park. Period.
No one, not one person or group, has the right to negatively impact someone else's day. And don't tell me that Disney 'needs' the tour group money. We have all paid to be there. And don't tell me that the groups feel that chanting is fun for them and enhances their enjoyment so they should be allowed.

Agree with all of this. The problem is how to remove a large group that is disruptive and ignoring instructions to stop. Security will not be able to remove a group like that without a huge fuss being created. My guess is such a group will not leave willingly. What then?

 

[Flight]

The Claaaaawwww....

 

[ChloesDaddy]

Agree with all of this. The problem is how to remove a large group that is disruptive and ignoring instructions to stop. Security will not be able to remove a group like that without a huge fuss being created. My guess is such a group will not leave willingly. What then?

If they don't leave voluntarily, they don't get into a park the next day, or maybe any other day.

 

[DisneyPrince1982]

Agree with all of this. The problem is how to remove a large group that is disruptive and ignoring instructions to stop. Security will not be able to remove a group like that without a huge fuss being created. My guess is such a group will not leave willingly. What then?

Then they'll get a 5 year ban. I bet their little butts would be running for the exit.

 

[mckennarose]

I feel that a child doesn't necessarily need to have sensory issues to be rattled by the tour groups. On our very first trip to wdw MANY years ago, we went in July with our then 4 year old and 7 month old. I remember being in the middle of what seemed like a sea of- not just chanting- but screaming, stomping and clapping people. My children were upset by how loud it was in the midst of that crowd. We made sure to try and steer clear of them if we saw them coming, but there were LOTS of groups. You can be walking along and suddenly you're in the middle of a group, which is fine UNLESS they start with the yelling, clapping, etc.

Back then, I knew nothing of wdw and thought those groups were the norm. It was one of the reasons we didn't return for many years. (I remember telling people about these large groups that screamed as one of the negatives of wdw) Now we understand what times of the year are better to go, and steering clear of the tour group season is a big factor for us because of our first experience. The three things we came home thinking about after that first trip was 1. it was HOT, 2. it was crowded and 3. there were loud tour groups everywhere. I wonder how many other first timers experienced this and how much of a factor it plays in them not returning.

I feel they should crack down on the behavior of the large groups. ANY group that is disruptive.

 

[WEDWDW]

I can see it now- "No Chanting" signs placed next to the "No Selfie Sticks" signs at the Park entrances!lol

I can't wait to see what "picture" Disney comes up with to put on the "No Chanting" sign!!!!lol

 

[disnut1149]

I can see it now- "No Chanting" signs placed next to the "No Selfie Sticks" signs at the Park entrances!lol

I can't wait to see what "picture" Disney comes up with to put on the "No Chanting" sign!!!!lol

This is what I was thinking. Can't they have a sign before they go in, like they do the selfie stick signs? I saw a selfie stick being confiscated from a guest on bag check.

 

[ChloesDaddy]

This is what I was thinking. Can't they have a sign before they go in, like they do the selfie stick signs? I saw a selfie stick being confiscated from a guest on bag check.

Instead of a sign, how about a flier that they hand to the group leader as they enter? Then you could list the specifics about consequences of violating the policy. This would 1) ensure that all groups are aware, 2) avoid having more signs, and 3) maybe avert the need to ever have to enforce the policy (okay, maybe a rare occasion still).

 

[bc7ate9]

This all sounds really awful...I am feeling very grateful that I've never experienced it!

 

[LoKiHB]

December? Uh-oh...
[checks calendar]
Yeah I'm there from the 11th -14th (in-n-out trip) and Pop Warner is from the 4th-12th this year (Probably why I couldn't get ADR's that friday night) How bad is it near the end?

Phew!!!! We're there from 11/27-12/4, leaving that morning. I was worried we'd run into them in full force.

 

[LoKiHB]

I actually feel it does not go without saying that you are sympathetic to a parent of a "disabled" child based on the condescending tone of your message. I also wouldn't label sensory issues as a disability, just a different approach in life. Now, as her mother, and I do assure you I am in my right mind, Disney is the ONE place we can go where she can be free and experience joy and magic. We can plan our days, we know what attractions she can and can not handle. We know her triggers, we know what her cues are. We take many planned breaks, we take many detours, we miss many fastpasses, sometimes we only get in half a day and she needs to go back to the resort and swim or chill in the room, but it's all ok, because she can enjoy the vacation just as much as the rest of us. We also get her a stroller, it's like a little cocoon for her. It's quieter, it's shaded, it has her security blanket and she can check out while we walk to the other side of the park. So yes, I also deal with the looks of disgust that my now 6 year old is in a stroller too. She looks "normal", she acts "normal" most of the time, so it's a good lesson to not judge anyone based on what you see Like the poster I quote below, loud, intimidating chanting groups are not something that's easy to prepare for. We actually AVOID those times of years specifically because of them. In four trips we've been lucky and not had an encounter. I was taught respect. I wouldn't use my "freedom of speech" to cuss off everyone I saw or use it as an excuse to be rude and obnoxious. I don't expect everyone to accommodate my child, we are teaching her what she needs to know to live in the real world. But I would appreciate a certain amount of respect in return. If she's melting down in line, I leave, I don't expect other patrons to deal with her behaviour. Chanting is just plain unnecessary.

My son is extremely ADHD, and ODD. When he was younger he dealt with some sensory issues that thankfully have subsided in the last 2-3 years. It's no one's business why your child has a stroller. Our oldest was 5 when we took him the first time, and the first day we laughed at the advice to get a stroller. When we got it the second day, it was a remarkable change. Like you said, it was his cocoon. When he got too hot, tired, or cranky, or overwhelmed, he climbed in. The CM's at the stroller rental were so awesome. It was his Birthday that week, so they gave him a Double Stroller all week for the same price as the single. Yeah, I know not a big deal, but when you're 5 and you're already a little embarrassed, having someone tell you that "You're a big kid, and you need a big kid ride!" makes all the difference in the world.

As far as looking and acting "normal"... your daughter isn't normal. She's special. Just like my sons. Who wants to be "normal" in The Most Magical Place on Earth? To anyone who has an issue with that... GO AWAY!!! OR I WILL TAUNT YOU A SECOND TIME!!!!

 

[LumosQ102]

I feel that a child doesn't necessarily need to have sensory issues to be rattled by the tour groups. On our very first trip to wdw MANY years ago, we went in July with our then 4 year old and 7 month old. I remember being in the middle of what seemed like a sea of- not just chanting- but screaming, stomping and clapping people. My children were upset by how loud it was in the midst of that crowd. We made sure to try and steer clear of them if we saw them coming, but there were LOTS of groups. You can be walking along and suddenly you're in the middle of a group, which is fine UNLESS they start with the yelling, clapping, etc.

Back then, I knew nothing of wdw and thought those groups were the norm. It was one of the reasons we didn't return for many years. (I remember telling people about these large groups that screamed as one of the negatives of wdw) Now we understand what times of the year are better to go, and steering clear of the tour group season is a big factor for us because of our first experience. The three things we came home thinking about after that first trip was 1. it was HOT, 2. it was crowded and 3. there were loud tour groups everywhere. I wonder how many other first timers experienced this and how much of a factor it plays in them not returning.

I feel they should crack down on the behavior of the large groups. ANY group that is disruptive.

It doesn't even need to be a child to be rattled. I'm a grown up, live in one of the noisiest and craziest cities in the world (London) and commute on out crowded underground system everyday to get into work. We went to WDW from 30th November to 13th December last year; one night we were coming out of the Candlelight Processional at Epcot and got stuck in a bit of a traffic jam. Suddenly there was a deluge of teenage girls chanting it really was a case of get out the way or get trampled. It feels silly now, but it was a really unpleasant experience, worse than a Saturday night at Food and Wine. It wasn't the only time we got stuck with chanters either, and it really was full on obnoxious.

We agreed we would avoid that time of year in future to avoid the cheerleaders where possible.

 

[AtlantaDisneyDreamer]

Good idea, and once the bands are triggered for ejection, a countdown will start, let's say 5 minutes. The entire group has 5 minutes to leave the park, any stragglers remaining will be lifted up by a giant machine in the sky, never to be heard from again.

Oh, this sounds wonderful! When you develop this system and sell it to Disney, can I please purchase one for my high school classroom?