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[TheMaxRebo]

If you look at the latest aerials you can see the new massive bus loop being built at DHS.

Yeah, I saw that, and then the current bus stops, the gondola station and then a bit to the parking lot tramp stop and then a bit more to the entrance/where they have current security

So I don't see how they could move security to be for those getting off the buses and those getting off the parking lot tram, but not have the people form the gondola go through that

Goodness knows I have been wrong before but that seems like it would take a lot of work for not a ton of benefit

 

[rteetz]

Yeah, I saw that, and then the current bus stops, the gondola station and then a bit to the parking lot tramp stop and then a bit more to the entrance/where they have current security

So I don't see how they could move security to be for those getting off the buses and those getting off the parking lot tram, but not have the people form the gondola go through that

Goodness knows I have been wrong before but that seems like it would take a lot of work for not a ton of benefit

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New bus stop is replacing the current one so think of the space that opens up with that gone. You can then move bag check closer to the new bus stop.

 

[umichigan10]

Yeah, I saw that, and then the current bus stops, the gondola station and then a bit to the parking lot tramp stop and then a bit more to the entrance/where they have current security

So I don't see how they could move security to be for those getting off the buses and those getting off the parking lot tram, but not have the people form the gondola go through that

Goodness knows I have been wrong before but that seems like it would take a lot of work for not a ton of benefit

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Unless they put a fence between the gondola exit and the bus walkway, thereby funneling the gondola guests past security. Definitely a stretch though

 

[TheMaxRebo]

New bus stop is replacing the current one so think of the space that opens up with that gone. You can then move bag check closer to the new bus stop.

Unless they put a fence between the gondola exit and the bus walkway, thereby funneling the gondola guests past security. Definitely a stretch though

I get that as far as the buses - but what about the people getting of the parking lot tram which is currently closer than the gondola station?

Unless they move that back to where the current bus stop is, but that seems like a lot of effort ....

... plus if you do security for getting onto the gondolas, would people who want to go from PoP to the Riviera have to go through security even though they aren't going to a park?

 

[sachilles]

Would be nice to have that bubble, but I think it would be hard to do incorporating the boats.
Boats would have to have to be in the bubble, or have their own screeners at each stop, or have them at the two park entrances. It's not insurmountable, but I could see the staffing costs deter Disney from following through.

 

[dina444444]

Would be nice to have that bubble, but I think it would be hard to do incorporating the boats.
Boats would have to have to be in the bubble, or have their own screeners at each stop, or have them at the two park entrances. It's not insurmountable, but I could see the staffing costs deter Disney from following through.

The boat dock at DHS could have the security at it how it is at the contemporary with one screening station. For Epcot I imagine it would be combined with the walking one that could be pushed out a bit and those going for the gondola could be routed in and out around the side the boarders on the Epcot backstage area.

For the trams at DHS, since they are moving the bus loop they could have the screening for that be where some of the busses currently are just on the other side of the planter from the drop off point.

 

[rteetz]

I get that as far as the buses - but what about the people getting of the parking lot tram which is currently closer than the gondola station?

Unless they move that back to where the current bus stop is, but that seems like a lot of effort ....

... plus if you do security for getting onto the gondolas, would people who want to go from PoP to the Riviera have to go through security even though they aren't going to a park?

The tram, preferred and handicap parking is all getting reconfigured.

 

[umichigan10]

I get that as far as the buses - but what about the people getting of the parking lot tram which is currently closer than the gondola station?

Unless they move that back to where the current bus stop is, but that seems like a lot of effort ....

... plus if you do security for getting onto the gondolas, would people who want to go from PoP to the Riviera have to go through security even though they aren't going to a park?

It’s similar to what happens if you wanna monorail hop currently. Inconvenient but not unheard of

 

[umichigan10]

The security logistics fascinates me. It’s intetesting how they can route the people and increase the “bubble” but maybe I’m just a weirdo

 

[nkosiek]

Yeah, I saw that, and then the current bus stops, the gondola station and then a bit to the parking lot tramp stop and then a bit more to the entrance/where they have current security

So I don't see how they could move security to be for those getting off the buses and those getting off the parking lot tram, but not have the people form the gondola go through that

Goodness knows I have been wrong before but that seems like it would take a lot of work for not a ton of benefit

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Darn, that new bus stop is practically back at the tennis courts at the Boardwalk.

 

[TheMaxRebo]

It’s similar to what happens if you wanna monorail hop currently. Inconvenient but not unheard of

I know they could do it and that they have done it at MK (though I thought that was largely due to the back-up that often happened there and this was to ease that congestion, etc.)

Just seems like a lot of effort in this case to re-route the tram and set up security out on the bridge in the middle of the lake between POP and AoA and stuff like that, for not that big of a benefit

Like I said, I have been wrong a ton of times before, and it definitely could happen - but I think it is more likely you will go through security upon arriving at a park vs before you get on a gondola

 

[umichigan10]

I know they could do it and that they have done it at MK (though I thought that was largely due to the back-up that often happened there and this was to ease that congestion, etc.)

Just seems like a lot of effort in this case to re-route the tram and set up security out on the bridge in the middle of the lake between POP and AoA and stuff like that, for not that big of a benefit

Like I said, I have been wrong a ton of times before, and it definitely could happen - but I think it is more likely you will go through security upon arriving at a park vs before you get on a gondola

Your points are definitely valid. I’d like to see the security points change because I think it’s more convenient for all involved (less general congestion at the main gate and the people pre screened get to enjoy the park sooner) but it does seem like a pain

 

[TheMaxRebo]

Your points are definitely valid. I’d like to see the security points change because I think it’s more convenient for all involved (less general congestion at the main gate and the people pre screened get to enjoy the park sooner) but it does seem like a pain

Although, if you want to take the boat to Fort Wilderness to see Hoop Dee Doo review (for example) it is annoying to have to go through the MK security when you aren't going to the park.

I agree with you that overall it helps, but it isn't perfect either

 

[DanBoris]

I have mixed thoughts about this. If Disney keeps SOME bus service in operation, demand is going to dictate that level of service. If they have 200 people per hour queuing up to go from AOA to Epcot, Disney cannot just provide adequate service to transport 100 people and say "suck it." If bus the route remains in place, reasonable guest expectations have to be met.

If demand is exceptionally low, sure they could run a bus every 30 minutes. But AOA, POP and CBR are all huge resorts. The 200 guests from my example above isn't particularly large for a 2800 room hotel.

That said, I also have trouble envisioning them mandating the Skyliner. It's tough to compare guest acceptance to something like the monorail. I don't personally have any fears which would keep me out of the Skyliner, but safe to say that some people wouldn't equate dangling from a cable in a bucket with the relative security of an elevated train system.

There's also the logistical challenge of re-training people to exit Epcot at the International Gateway rather than front entrance. There would be few things more frustrating than walking to the front of the park--perhaps even to the bus stop--before realizing that you actually need to leave via the IG to return to your hotel.

Will be fascinating to see how it plays out.

I don't believe demand will dictate the level of service. The cost per passenger to operate the gondola is likely going to be much less then buses so Disney has an incentive to push people to the gondola which is why we have heard that they don't want to run buses at all on these routes.

 

[Moliphino]

Darn, that new bus stop is practically back at the tennis courts at the Boardwalk.

That's going to be quite a hike.

 

[DBDiz]

This pic right here to me is the proof we were looking for that this is 3 separate runs all meeting up at a central station (CBR) and will require deboarding and reboarding. Mainly, the turn on the end vs. not having a turn and also extensions off the back that would attach to the other lines for a pass through.

 

[rteetz]

This pic right here to me is the proof we were looking for that this is 3 separate runs all meeting up at a central station (CBR) and will require deboarding and reboarding. Mainly, the turn on the end vs. not having a turn and also extensions off the back that would attach to the other lines for a pass through.

I’m fairly certain it’s been said all along they would be three separate lines.

 

[DBDiz]

I’m fairly certain it’s been said all along they would be three separate lines.

May or may not be the case, but some people are still insisting Disney would be mad to have people transfer lines and CBR would be a bottleneck.

 

[umichigan10]

Although, if you want to take the boat to Fort Wilderness to see Hoop Dee Doo review (for example) it is annoying to have to go through the MK security when you aren't going to the park.

I agree with you that overall it helps, but it isn't perfect either

As someone who’s staying at BLT next month, I know it’s gonna be a hassle when I wanna go resort hopping at some point. But I can also appreciate their efforts to make sure the monorails secure, even if it makes my day a bit more of a pain

 

[umichigan10]

I’m fairly certain it’s been said all along they would be three separate lines.

I always thought there’d be an “express” feature if you wanted to go from pop to Epcot, but I’m also realizing that might be a logistical pain in the butt to pull off