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I'm glad to see "Elemental" doing well, but that headline isn't correct, and neither is the article it's above. "Oppenheimer" is already at $405M ("Elemental" is at $395M) and adding some $10-15M every day just domestically (vs $1M).

It's weird that the article even specifically mentions Christopher Nolan's previous film—"The film overtook Christopher Nolan's 'Tenet' ($365.3 million) to take the title of Hollywood's biggest original of the pandemic era"—without mentioning his current one. I suspect they wrote that article a day or two ago when "Elemental" was still slightly ahead of "Oppenheimer," but if they'd done even a cursory look at the daily figures, they would have realized that the story wouldn't be accurate by the time they published it today. Sorry if it sounds like I'm ranting, but I'm not fond of sloppy "journalism."

One could also argue that "Barbie" is an original film, and of course it blows those other two out of the water.

But as I said at the top, this is still great news for Disney and "Elemental."

Barbie is tied to a well-known brand/franchise too. This isn't even the first Barbie "movie" if you count the many that have been released staright-to-video over the years - yes, I understand those are a very different kind of thing, but still I wouldn't consider it "original." The point about Oppenheimer is correct though, but, yeah, likely just a timing thing as Oppenheimer is still fresh in theaters and doing well.
 
I'm glad to see "Elemental" doing well, but that headline isn't correct, and neither is the article it's above. "Oppenheimer" is already at $405M ("Elemental" is at $395M) and adding some $10-15M every day just domestically (vs $1M).
Don’t want to speak for them but I think their use of original also involves the characters themselves. Oppenheimer is a historical figure and Barbie has been an IP for 60+ years.
 
Maybe they meant original animated movie? As they could consider Mario as a spin off since it had a live action version many years ago. Also, Mario is a big part of a huge gaming franchise.

The article doesn't really read that way though.
 
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Maybe they meant original animated movie? As they could consider Mario as a spin off since it had a live action version many years ago.
I, too, thought they might have meant to say "original animated movie," but then they compared "Elemental" to Indy 5 and "Tenet." So they meant any movie, but weren't paying attention to what the box office numbers would be by today.
 

I, too, thought they might have meant to say "original animated movie," but then they compared "Elemental" to Indy 5 and "Tenet." So they meant any movie, but weren't paying attention to what the box office numbers would be by today.
Yep, I reread it and I think you are correct.
 
So much of this mess is written with AI nowadays, so I go into it assuming there will be some errors in the writing.
 
I, too, thought they might have meant to say "original animated movie," but then they compared "Elemental" to Indy 5 and "Tenet." So they meant any movie, but weren't paying attention to what the box office numbers would be by today.
Oppenheimer is based on a book on a historical figure that existed. So by their subjective definition they chose to not classify it as an original film.

Tenet is a story created with Original characters that only exist because of that movie.

Same goes for Elemental, which I think is where the stance was taken.
 
Don’t want to speak for them but I think their use of original also involves the characters themselves. Oppenheimer is a historical figure and Barbie has been an IP for 60+ years.
Oppenheimer is based on a book on a historical figure that existed. So by their subjective definition they chose to not classify it as an original film.

Tenet is a story created with Original characters that only exist because of that movie.

Same goes for Elemental, which I think is where the stance was taken.

that is my take also.

The characters in Elemental are original, Brand new creations for this film. Barbie (and Mario) were not JUST created for the movie, they existed before the films this year. Oppenheimer is a historical figure.
 
Oppenheimer is based on a book on a historical figure that existed. So by their definition they wouldn’t classify it as an original film.

Tenet is a story created with Original characters that only exist because of that movie.

Same goes for Elemental, which I think is where the stance was taken.
Really odd categorization then in my opinion. Most everything comes from a book, or a comic book, or a graphic novel, or a video game nowadays. Seems like a very narrow definition of original. So, if Disney did new completely original Snow White type of movie, but it was based on a German Fairy Tale (like Snow White was)....it doesn't qualify. Really odd!

In that regard Elemental is just West Side Story with elements instead of people.
 
Really odd categorization then in my opinion. Most everything comes from a book, or a comic book, or a graphic novel, or a video game nowadays. Seems like a very narrow definition. So if Disney did new completely original Snow White like movie, but it was based on the original German Fairy Tale....it doesn't qualify. Really odd!
Those I would call adaptations.
 
Really odd categorization then in my opinion. Most everything comes from a book, or a comic book, or a graphic novel, or a video game nowadays. Seems like a very narrow definition. So if Disney did new completely original Snow White like movie, but it was based on the original German Fairy Tale....it doesn't qualify. Really odd!
you should get props for inventing new characters and worlds. Not taking away from the creativity involved in using an idea and tweaking it, but it is different than something totally original and new.
 
you should get props for inventing new characters and worlds. Not taking away from the creativity involved in using an idea and tweaking it, but it is different than something totally original and new.
Yep, I agree with that. George Lucas gets huge props from me for inventing the Star Wars mythos.

Disney (and Rian Johnson) gets the blame for mostly messing up what George created (in my opinion).
 
In that regard Elemental is just West Side Story with elements instead of people.

Elemental is really not at all like West Side Story other than the star-crossed lovers trope which is used in many, many stories. You could say it's "just Romeo and Juliet with elements instead of people" too but that is incredibly reductive and inaccurate.
 
Yeah, isn't that why there are different categories for screenplay awards? Best adapted and best original.

Yes, plus Oppenheimer the film is based on a book that is based on the man's life. Also, as I have to constantly remind people, it is NOT a documentary. My understanding is that it is pretty accurate, but there is definitely some fudging in there too.
 
https://deadline.com/2023/08/disney-credit-rating-bob-iger-espn-marvel-disney-1235452124/

S&P Affirms Disney A- Credit Rating, Positive Outlook Despite “Strategic Uncertainties” After Bob Iger Interview
By Jill Goldsmith
Co-Business Editor
August 1, 2023 7:47am PDT

S&P today affirmed its A- investment grade credit rating for Disney after CEO Bob Iger, in a recent interview with CNBC, injected a big dose of uncertainty into what the company may look like going forward.

Iger said he and the board are considering a number of strategic options for ESPN and linear television, “Some of these options could change Disney’s business mix over the longer term.” the the giant ratings agency said in a note Tuesday. Iger recently brought on former top Disney executives Tom Staggs and Kevin Mayer to consult on options for ESPN.

The two are founders and co-CEOs of Candle Media.

S&P also affirmed its “positive” outlook, anticipating the media giant will continue to reduce leverage this year and next. “The outlook is positive, reflecting our expectations that leverage could decline…depending on how the Hulu put-call is resolved and how its direct-to-consumer (DTC) segment performs.” (Leverage is a ratio of debt to equity.)

Iger, in the interview, discussed secular pressure on the media and entertainment industry, its impact on Disney, and potential strategic moves as reviews its portfolio of broadcast and cable TV networks, excluding flagship sports net ESPN. “It may reach the conclusion that those networks are no longer core. As a result, Disney is looking at potential options including selling noncore networks,” said S&P.

Alternate paths for ESPN include operating it on a standalone basis and bringing in additional strategic partners. Hearst Corp. owns 20%. Private equity firms, already invested in stations, could see an opportunity in linear TV.

On the content side, he thinks overproduction has diluted focus and led to misses at Star Wars and Marvel. Disney+ may see price hikes and shift in markets. It could consider licensing Disney content to rival streamers.

“In our view, some of these spending and investments considerations will likely improve the company’s profitability and cash flow and could accelerate its deleveraging path,” S&P said, noting the decline of the U.S. linear TV business as viewership falls outside of sports and news and advertisers shift dollars amid cord cutting.

“We view favorably Disney’s attempt to address that business proactively as the price of doing nothing could become a drag on our ratings over time. Still, when we have greater clarity on these considerations, we will assess the impact on Disney’s credit quality.”

The agency expects lower leverage will be driven by higher cash flow as DTC losses shrink, parks improve and the company realizes its anticipated $5.5 billion in cost savings from cost cutting — including about 7,000 layoffs since Iger returned to take the helm of Disney last fall.

The company would ideally like a ‘A’ rating, S&P noted, but any return to that would depend on the resolution of the Hulu put-call – “how much that ends up costing Disney, how it finances the purchase, and an evaluation of the company’s transition to profitable streaming.” S&P lowered Disney’s main credit rating during Covid from A to A-, followed by a another cut later that fall to BBB+. Then, earlier this summer, it boosted the rating back to A-. Since then, CFO Christine McCarthy left and Iger began to look hard across the assets and the agency’s note is a confirmation it’s still comfrortable with the A-.

Iger, who recently extended his contract through 2026, made lots of news on the interview. That included infuriating the creative community by calling strikes by the WGA and SAG-AFTRA disruptive and the guild demands unreasonable.
 
What does that prove? Only that film critics can be reductive too. The stories are not even remotely similar aside from the two charaters from "different worlds" that fall in love.
Proves nothing, not my intention to try and prove anything. Just simply showing the comparison is not unique to me.
 












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