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[Disney Bobby]

Domestic Yearly Box Office - Box Office Mojo

Gross YTD, down 17% vs same Gross YTD period in 2019. Almost 23% vs same Gross YTD 2018.

Not good. Maybe they can meme their way out of it.

 

[RivShore]

Didn’t Chapek spurn any guidance from Iger early on, there were articles that started to pop up in the Fall of 2020 about all of that, or am I misremembering?

The things those movies also have in common is known IP with fanbases that make them draws on their own.

Disney/Pixar Animation were making more content with original characters over that span.

Yes I think that was correct, they were butting heads after a while (as the NYT's article implies) but I suspect it was not around creative stuff, more around the organizational stuff and direction of D+ like the org changes around studios and D+ that Chapek made when he got in and Iger immediately changed back when he returned.

I agree the movies I mentioned had built in fan bases but in today's thearter world that is no guarantee of success, you still need a good movie that people want to see. Indiana Jones, LM, and Pixar in general is know IP but they didn't click and I think that points to creativity misses.

 

[Brian Noble]

In fairness, it's pretty hard to tell someone "You're in charge, as long as you do the things I think are right," and expect that to go well.

Everyone also keeps forgetting that Bob 2.0 kept the lights on through the pandemic, and escaped it in much better financial shape than most of us expected. Pretty much everything they did that made money was closed for months to a year or more: movie theaters, cruise ships, theme parks, live sports, etc. It's understandable that someone comes out of that worrying a lot about reducing costs and increasing revenue wherever you can, because it can all disappear tomorrow.

 

[RivShore]

In fairness, it's pretty hard to tell someone "You're in charge, as long as you do the things I think are right," and expect that to go well.

Everyone also keeps forgetting that Bob 2.0 kept the lights on through the pandemic, and escaped it in much better financial shape than most of us expected. Pretty much everything they did that made money was closed for months to a year or more: movie theaters, cruise ships, theme parks, live sports, etc.

There is no doubt Chapek was dealt the worst hand in CEO history! He has the decline of liner to deal with, the building of D+ from nothing, a legendary CEO and possible presidential candidate still there looking over his shoulder, and the topper - he walks in just a few weeks before the pandemic shuts the world down. He had no chance. Man, now I kinda feel bad for him...

 

[HokieRaven5]

I agree the movies I mentioned had built in fan bases but in today's thearter world that is no guarantee of success, you still need a good movie that people want to see. Indiana Jones, LM, and Pixar in general is know IP but they didn't click and I think that points to creativity misses.

“Elemental” is now the highest grossing Original movie at the box office Post Pandemic.

Pixar's Elemental Is Now The Biggest Original Hollywood Movie Since The Pandemic

 

[BrianL]

“Elemental” is now the highest grossing Original movie at the box office Post Pandemic.

Pixar's Elemental Is Now The Biggest Original Hollywood Movie Since The Pandemic

It's good to see that this one was a slow burn. It'll be interesting to see how much water it will ultimately carry.

 

[RivShore]

“Elemental” is now the highest grossing Original movie at the box office Post Pandemic.

Pixar's Elemental Is Now The Biggest Original Hollywood Movie Since The Pandemic

Those legs will help! The most shocking thing to me is that it only took $400M to become the highest original grosser. This sadly means we are headed to a world of only sequels and remakes in theaters.

 

[BrianL]

Those legs will help! The most shocking thing to me is that it only took $400M to become the highest original grosser. This sadly means we are headed to a world of only sequels and remakes in theaters.

But what about remakes of sequels?

 

[RivShore]

But what about remakes of sequels?

Oh good God!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[etherealcaitiff]

But what about remakes of sequels?

Even worse is actually on the schedule: a "live action" remake of a sequel (Lion King 2).

 

[HokieRaven5]

Even worse is actually on the schedule: a "live action" remake of a sequel (Lion King 2).

Isn’t Mufasa a prequel?

 

[etherealcaitiff]

Isn’t Mufasa a prequel?

That's actually a separate movie from what I was talking about, but also hilarious. A live action prequel to a remake.

 

[Brian Noble]

Lion King 2

Do Lion King 1 1/2 and I’m in.

"Everything the light touches ... BELONGS TO SOMEONE ELSE!"

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

But what about remakes of sequels?

Please please please...........I have three movie sequels I would love to see completely remade. They start with an S and end in tar Wars 7,8,9.

 

[wabbott]

We need a Toy Story 2-1/2 to fill in Andy's adolescent years.

 

[clarker99]

Just to let you know that the 2023 numbers are annualized to the end of the year.

So they are expecting 2019 to end with 880M tickets and $9.27B at the box office. We are still very far off of 2019 levels.

Currently through July we are at $5.7B in box office and 545M tickets sold.

Damn. It is ugly times for theatres.

Thanks fact checking me. I had a feeling I was wrong somewhere.

 

[PolymerSkywalker]

We need a Toy Story 2-1/2 to fill in Andy's adolescent years.

That's a very solid idea right there, that would sell I believe.

 

[bryaalre]

Damn. It is ugly times for theatres.

Thanks fact checking me. I had a feeling I was wrong somewhere.

I like The Numbers site but the chart and table are confusing. They should probably have the actual listed and maybe put in parentheses what the full year run rate would look like.

 

[clarker99]

I like The Numbers site but the chart and table are confusing. They should probably have the actual listed and maybe put in parentheses what the full year run rate would look like.

Also, I used the report builder on Numbers but it maxes out at 100 movies so it is tough to get all the data for a particular period of time that had more than 100 releases. Anyway, I do appreciate being corrected.

 

[irlandaise]

“Elemental” is now the highest grossing Original movie at the box office Post Pandemic.

Pixar's Elemental Is Now The Biggest Original Hollywood Movie Since The Pandemic

I'm glad to see "Elemental" doing well, but that headline isn't correct, and neither is the article it's above. "Oppenheimer" is already at $405M ("Elemental" is at $395M) and adding some $10-15M every day just domestically (vs $1M).

It's weird that the article even specifically mentions Christopher Nolan's previous film—"The film overtook Christopher Nolan's 'Tenet' ($365.3 million) to take the title of Hollywood's biggest original of the pandemic era"—without mentioning his current one. I suspect they wrote that article a day or two ago when "Elemental" was still slightly ahead of "Oppenheimer," but if they'd done even a cursory look at the daily figures, they would have realized that the story wouldn't be accurate by the time they published it today. Sorry if it sounds like I'm ranting, but I'm not fond of sloppy "journalism."

One could also argue that "Barbie" is an original film, and of course it blows those other two out of the water.

But as I said at the top, this is still great news for Disney and "Elemental."