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Yeah, I am not sure I can agree with that. If Disney had a string of massive $Billion box office hits right now instead of all the poor performances......I think the investors would take note.

Big performances in Disney's owned IPs are what creates your future merchandising sales and even the parks future plans.

The parks benefit greatly when Disney is winning in the box office it seems to me.
It is not a growth business. It is not a catalyst. Theatres are dying. Plus, the whole cost vs profit thing with movies is completely muddy. Also, things are cyclical.

The entirety of Disney share price is based on streaming making money.
 
Not sure that is a winning strategy.

900 million people have purchased a movie ticket in 2023 thus far.

160 million people subscribe to Disney+.

I want to see Disney win at the Box Office and at Disney+.
 
Here is Disney’s FY23 Movies:

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Some of the numbers haven’t been updated since last week.

The biggest problem on the Studios side of the company is that they have lost $billions/yr from reduced licensing.

And of course SG &A spending is out of control.
 
The scary thing is that Iger was supposedly overseeing creative once he handed things over to Chapek. That would imply that all the stuff coming out since, passed by his desk in one way or another.

We have seen that if stuff is creative and good enough, it will break thru at the box office, whether or not people expect it to be streaming soon. People had to assume Mario/Spiderverse/Barbie would be streaming sooner than later and they still went, for various reasons. That is not happening enough with too many Disney releases this year.

Didn’t Chapek spurn any guidance from Iger early on, there were articles that started to pop up in the Fall of 2020 about all of that, or am I misremembering?

The things those movies also have in common is known IP with fanbases that make them draws on their own.

Disney/Pixar Animation were making more content with original characters over that span.
 

I do 100% agree the spending / budgets are out of control in recent years. However, that carries over to streaming as well, and Disney is overspending on its streaming content as well.
 
I do 100% agree the spending / budgets are out of control in recent years. However, that carries over to streaming as well, and Disney is overspending on its streaming content as well.
And the $5.5 billion in cuts are aimed at those exact 2 areas:
$2.5B in SG & A cuts
$3B in content spend reduction.
 
And the $5.5 billion in cuts are aimed at those exact 2 areas:
$2.5B in SG & A cuts
$3B in content spend reduction.
McCarthy said on the last earnings call that they actually think they have found more the $2.5b in SG & A cuts. She said that earnings will start to see these savings reflected starting in Q4.
 
Exactly. I think Ron, Card, and the old team did a great job keeping things moving forward- just not a short term profitable one. Eisner had a lot of bad ideas, but he had good ones too and he leveraged the old Imagineers well. Sure he pushed them out of their comfort zone a bit (Alien Encounter), but he also let them flourish. He tolerated the people he knew he had to have (like Nunis), but in the end, his paranoia and selfishness did him in.

People don't like to talk about it, but Walt and Roy also created a personal war which lasts in their families to this day.
Here is a fascinating bit of business history of WED Enterprises, which was the source of the friction.

https://www.joshuakennon.com/wed-enterprises-inc-the-private-family-holding-company-of-walt-disney/
How Walt Disney Used WED Enterprises, Inc. as a Private Family Holding Company

Here is how they 'sort of' patched things up as best they could.

https://www.familybusinessmagazine.com/disney-brothers-dilemma-0

In 1963, fearing rightly that Walt's separate WED company might create a conflict with Disney shareholders, Roy decided to buy WED, thus formally reuniting Walt with the studio. Roy broached the subject during a long weekend in Palm Springs, and the brothers ended up in a bitter fight over Walt's compensation. Roy's wife later said that the two men yelled at each other for three days.

Walt and Roy did not speak for months after that battle, and the company's fate hung in the balance. Finally, with Walt's contract coming up for renewal and the looming threat of his leaving the company altogether, lawyers began negotiating a settlement. They argued and remained stalemated until one afternoon, when Roy entered the conference room and told his negotiating team: “None of us would be here in these offices if it hadn't been for Walt. All your jobs, all the benefits you have, all came from Walt and his contributions. He deserves better treatment than what's being shown here.” Once again, the brothers' underlying love and respect had saved their company; an agreement was reached shortly thereafter. On Roy's next birthday, Walt showed up in his office with an Indian peace pipe. The battle was over.
 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/water-...-how-theme-parks-battle-extreme-heat-8be73427


By Will Feuer
July 30, 2023 8:00 am EDT

Water Balloon Fights, Reinforced Roller Coasters: How Theme Parks Battle Extreme Heat​

The scorching summer heat has theme-park operators scrambling to make visitors more comfortable as the industry seeks to draw back crowds coming out of the pandemic.

Park operators across the U.S. are extending hours into the evening and rolling out more misters, known in the industry as “scare-conditioning” because it looks like spooky fog. Others are directing visitors toward so-called splash zones, where they can get showered by a nearby ride.

Silver Dollar City, a park with an 1880s theme in the Missouri Ozarks, is holding daily water balloon fights for visitors to combat heat forecast to hit triple digits this week.

The park, located in Branson, Mo., has also rolled out new drinks such as frozen lemonade, and since mid-July has extended park hours until 10 p.m., three hours later than usual, spokesman Dalton Fischer said. The park has increased the number of staffers available to guide guests on hourlong tours of the giant limestone cave—where it stays about 68 degrees all year—that the park was built around.

Gary Jackson, who visited SeaWorld in Orlando earlier this month with his wife and three grandchildren, appreciated the shade and cover provided by trees throughout the park. Still, the 55-year-old math teacher from Greenville, S.C., said: “It was hot as all get out.”

A SeaWorld season-pass holder, Jackson said he mapped a course for the day ahead of time, mixing waiting in the sun for rides with sitting in the shade watching animal shows. His plan also accounted for drink-refill stations and included stops at the air-conditioned season-pass lounge. He used the SeaWorld app to order meals from the comfort of the lounge so that his family wouldn’t be stuck waiting in the heat for food.

“We had to be very strategic about it because we didn’t want, especially our grandkids, to be in the heat like that for more than 30 or 40 minutes,” he said.

Sweltering temperatures have lingered this summer over swaths of the U.S., with weekslong stretches of triple-digit temperatures recorded in Arizona and southern Texas, according to the National Weather Service. Such waves of intense heat have been exacerbated by climate change, with extreme heat events increasing sixfold since the 1980s, according to the World Meteorological Organization, which projects that this July will be the hottest month on record.

Hot summer days have long been a challenge for U.S. theme parks. Increasingly severe weather has emerged over the past decade or so as a growing focus for executives and investors. More extreme summer weather in particular is starting to reshape the industry, spurring more investment in water parks and indoor rides.

In addition to managing through sweltering conditions, national theme-park chains are also contending with plumes of smoke from Canadian wildfires. Executives are expected to address both as national operators report quarterly results over the next two weeks.

U.S. theme parks were shut down for much of 2020 when the pandemic hit, and attendance for many parks still has yet to recover to 2019 levels. Now, oppressive heat across swaths of the country is weighing on what executives had hoped would be a blockbuster summer. Through Friday’s close, shares of Six Flags, Cedar Fair and SeaWorld are all down this year, compared with a 19% gain for the S&P 500.

“When you get this excruciating heat wave that we’re seeing and it lasts the period that it has, it will slow things down dramatically,” said Dennis Speigel, chief executive of consulting firm International Theme Park Services. The season started slowly because of a cold and wet spring, and attendance never took off around key weekends such as Memorial Day and July Fourth, he said.

Steve Aibel, vice president of zoological operations at SeaWorld San Antonio, has been working to keep the park’s roughly 7,000 whales, birds and other animals comfortable in weather that has hit 100 degrees for almost a month. The park’s 3,600 tons of chilling equipment is working overtime to keep the water for the orcas around 55 degrees.

Park staff is putting out kiddie pools for some animals, such as the park’s 12 otters, and giving other animals blocks of colored frozen ice and frozen Jell-O. “The guests can see it, and it also might provide cooling, and it also might provide play for the animals,” Aibel said. “That wins for everybody.”

At Fun Spot America’s park in Orlando, communications manager John Chidester has been making the rounds to
remind guests to hydrate and apply sunscreen. The heat is pushing customers to show up later and stay closer to the park’s midnight close, he said, speaking by phone from the park’s “splash pad,” a sprinkler-equipped playground.
Attendance has held up, Chidester said, with visitors taking advantage of the park’s ample air conditioning at its diner and other indoor spaces. Plenty of oak trees also shield visitors from the sun.

Fun Spot, which also operates parks in Atlanta and Kissimmee, Fla., is taking steps to make its roller coasters more resilient to extreme weather, Chidester said. Earlier this year, Fun Spot retracked its wooden Mine Blower coaster in Kissimmee and added steel at key pressure points along the rails.

Jim Seay, the CEO of Premier Rides, which has built roller coasters for Six Flags, Busch Gardens and other parks, said he is building coasters to last longer in hotter and more extreme conditions.

To do so, he is constructing coasters with more steel than he would have 25 years ago to help deal with the expansion of the steel that occurs with heat—and contributes to wear and tear that necessitates refurbishment. He also considers using aerospace-level materials for rides that will be in the hottest parts of the country.

Premier Rides is building one attraction now that uses sensors to monitor wind speeds and other weather conditions, Seay said. The ride will automatically adjust velocity when wind speeds pick up to avoid taking the ride out of service on windy days, a common industry issue.

“Heat is one of the significant factors,” Seay said. “These days, you have to take into consideration the extremes.”

Write to Will Feuer at Will.Feuer@wsj.com
 
Here is a fascinating bit of business history of WED Enterprises, which was the source of the friction.

https://www.joshuakennon.com/wed-enterprises-inc-the-private-family-holding-company-of-walt-disney/
How Walt Disney Used WED Enterprises, Inc. as a Private Family Holding Company

Here is how they 'sort of' patched things up as best they could.

https://www.familybusinessmagazine.com/disney-brothers-dilemma-0

In 1963, fearing rightly that Walt's separate WED company might create a conflict with Disney shareholders, Roy decided to buy WED, thus formally reuniting Walt with the studio. Roy broached the subject during a long weekend in Palm Springs, and the brothers ended up in a bitter fight over Walt's compensation. Roy's wife later said that the two men yelled at each other for three days.

Walt and Roy did not speak for months after that battle, and the company's fate hung in the balance. Finally, with Walt's contract coming up for renewal and the looming threat of his leaving the company altogether, lawyers began negotiating a settlement. They argued and remained stalemated until one afternoon, when Roy entered the conference room and told his negotiating team: “None of us would be here in these offices if it hadn't been for Walt. All your jobs, all the benefits you have, all came from Walt and his contributions. He deserves better treatment than what's being shown here.” Once again, the brothers' underlying love and respect had saved their company; an agreement was reached shortly thereafter. On Roy's next birthday, Walt showed up in his office with an Indian peace pipe. The battle was over.

That is what I've read, however it appears that while they patched things up, the families never did. That was a direct result in what happened between Roy E. and Ron. Years later, Roy was talking to Diane about a bit she was doing for one of his productions, and he mentioned the "idiot nephew" comment. She said that was never mentioned in her household and he believed her. By then - it was way to late. Roy was extremely wealthy with his Shamrock Holdings - it was all about pride with him. Same reason he ousted Eisner.
 
Didn’t Chapek spurn any guidance from Iger early on, there were articles that started to pop up in the Fall of 2020 about all of that, or am I misremembering?

The things those movies also have in common is known IP with fanbases that make them draws on their own.

Disney/Pixar Animation were making more content with original characters over that span.
Iger never really let go. He was always meddling and second-guessing. I'm no fan of Paycheck at all, but he really never had a chance, in my opinion.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/business/media/disney-ceo-coronavirus.html
Bob Iger Thought He Was Leaving on Top. Now, He’s Fighting for Disney’s Life.
by Ben Smith
Published April 12, 2020Updated May 5, 2020

The former C.E.O. thought he was riding into the sunset. Now he’s reasserting control and reimagining Disney as a company with fewer employees and more thermometers.

The Walt Disney Company turned franchises like Marvel and “Star Wars” into the biggest media business in the world, and last fall it was putting the finishing touches on the image of a storied character: its chief executive, Bob Iger.

In late September, Mr. Iger, 69, published “The Ride of a Lifetime,” an engaging work of self-hagiography. The handsome executive, who seriously considered running for president this year, spent the next month on the kind of media tour that Disney is known for: he reveled in the successful start of a streaming service that immediately rivaled Netflix, was hailed as “businessperson of the year” by Time and described as “Hollywood’s nicest C.E.O.” in an article in the The Times by Maureen Dowd. Even his friends wondered if the soft-focus Instagram ads produced for his MasterClass on leadership were a bit much.

It all went so well that Mr. Iger decided it was time to do something he had postponed four times since 2013: retire as C.E.O.

In early December, Disney executives say, he told his board that he was ready to leave. Around that time, a handful of people in Wuhan, China, began developing mysterious coughs.

At the end of January, a few days after Disney was forced to close its Shanghai theme park as the coronavirus spread, Mr. Iger and the board stuck with their plan, agreeing that he would step back to become executive chairman and that the low-profile head of the parks and cruise business, Bob Chapek, would take over immediately as chief executive. They finalized the arrangement even as the stock market began to shudder. And on Feb. 25, they shocked Hollywood with the news that Mr. Iger’s 15-year run had ended.

The seemingly abrupt announcement prompted intense speculation about the reasons for Mr. Iger’s exit. “Sex or health?” one media executive who knows him texted another that night. Two weeks later, a different question emerged: Had Mr. Iger, with his deep ties to China and legendary timing, seen the coronavirus about to devastate his global realm? Did he get out just in time?

Mr. Iger, who has always carefully managed his image, told me in an email, there was no more than met the eye.

“No surprises … nothing hidden … nothing different or odd to speculate about ….,” he wrote, ellipses and all.

In fact, people close to Mr. Iger and the company said in interviews that the real question wasn’t whether he saw the crisis coming — but whether his focus on burnishing his own legacy and assuring a smooth succession left him distracted as the threats to the business grew. No big media company is more dependent on its customers’ social and physical proximity than Disney, with its theme parks and cruise lines. Few have been hit harder by the pandemic.

And now, Mr. Iger has effectively returned to running the company. After a few weeks of letting Mr. Chapek take charge, Mr. Iger smoothly reasserted control, BlueJeans video call by BlueJeans video call. (Disney does not use Zoom for its meetings for security reasons.)

The new, nominal chief executive is referred to, almost kindergarten style, as “Bob C,” while Mr. Iger is still just “Bob.” And his title is “executive chairman” — emphasis on the first word.

Mr. Iger is now intensely focused on remaking a company that will emerge, he believes, deeply changed by the crisis. The sketch he has drawn for associates offers a glimpse at the post-pandemic future: It’s a Disney with fewer employees, leading the new and uncertain business of how to gather people safely for entertainment.

“It’s a matter of great good fortune that he didn’t just leave,” said Richard Plepler, the former HBO chief. “This is a moment where people first and foremost are looking to an example of leadership that has proved itself over an extended period of time — and Bob personifies that.”

The story of the Walt Disney Company since Mr. Iger’s predecessor, Michael Eisner, took it over in 1984 is one of astonishing growth that has become the model for the modern, global media business. The company turned its tatty icons like Mickey Mouse into cash cows. Mr. Iger has spent more than 40 years working for companies that are now part of Disney, and has earned his reputation through bold acquisitions. He bought Pixar, then Marvel, then Lucasfilm, for single-digit billions, and quickly created many more billions in value with them. Mr. Iger had the greatest job on earth, ruling not just a company but a “nation-state,” as California’s governor, Gavin Newsom, described Disney recently.

But Disney’s much-imitated model was almost perfectly exposed to the pandemic. The shift from on-screen entertainment into in-person experiences helped Disney become the biggest media company in the world. But those businesses have been impossible to protect from the pandemic. The company’s largest division brought in more than $26 billion in the year ending last June by extending its brands to cruise ships and theme parks. Those are all shuttered now. It has three new cruise ships under construction in Germany, their futures unclear. The jewel in its second largest division, television, is ESPN, which in a sports-less world is now broadcasting athletes playing video games. The third group, studio, had expected to bring in most of its revenue from movie openings in theaters, which are now closed.

There has been a glimmer of good news in the introduction of Disney+. The company’s troubled share price jumped about 7 percent in after-hours trading last Wednesday on the news that the streaming service had attracted 50 million subscribers. But the project is still an investment, years away from generating revenue that could replace a big movie opening in theaters. And the service is desperate for new content — at a time when television and film production has ground to a halt.

This all means the company is losing as much as $30 million or more a day, the media industry analyst Hal Vogel estimated in an interview. The company borrowed $6 billion at the end of March, a sign both of its desperate plight and lenders’ confidence that it could rebound.

In an emergency like this, Mr. Iger said, he had no choice but to abandon his plan to pull back.

“A crisis of this magnitude, and its impact on Disney, would necessarily result in my actively helping Bob [Chapek] and the company contend with it, particularly since I ran the company for 15 years!” he said in his email.

That realization appears to have hit just after the company’s March 11 annual shareholder gathering in Raleigh, N.C., which served as Mr. Chapek’s debut and was staged as a carefully scripted handoff.

“I’ve watched Bob [Iger] lead this company to amazing new heights, and I’ve learned an enormous amount from that experience. I feel incredibly fortunate to be able to work closely with him during this transition,” Mr. Chapek said at the meeting. (A Disney spokeswoman declined to make Mr. Chapek available for an interview.)

The men flew from there to Walt Disney World in Orlando, Fla., to meet executives worried about the effect of social distancing on their business; they announced the park’s closing the next day. Then, they flew back to Los Angeles and on the way, said a person familiar with their conversation, they discussed the depth of the crisis. Mr. Iger made clear that he would remain closely involved.

The next day, March 13, was their last in the office. In early April, Mr. Chapek sent a bleak internal email announcing a wave of furloughs. He pushed immediate cuts and freezes on everything from development budgets to contractors’ pay.

The company employed 223,000 as of last summer, and won’t say how many workers are furloughed, but the numbers are huge. It includes more than 30,000 workers in the California resort business alone, according to the president of Workers United Local 50 that represents some of those workers, Chris Duarte. Another 43,000 workers in Florida will be furloughed, the company confirmed on Sunday. All the workers will keep their benefits, but their last paychecks come April 19.

The mood at Disney is “dire,” said a person who has done projects with the company. “They’re covering the mirrors and ripping clothes.”

Mr. Iger, meanwhile, is trying to figure out what the company will look like after the crisis. One central challenge is to establish best practices for the company and the industry on how to bring people back to the parks and rides while avoiding the virus’s spread — using measures like taking visitors’ temperatures.

Mr. Iger also sees this as a moment, he has told associates, to look across the business and permanently change how it operates. He’s told them that he anticipates ending expensive old-school television practices like advertising upfronts and producing pilots for programs that may never air. Disney is also likely to reopen with less office space. He’s also told two people that he anticipated the company having fewer employees. (Mr. Iger said in an email on Sunday evening that he had “no recollection of ever having said” that he expected a smaller work force. “Regardless, any decision about staff reductions will be made by my successor and not me,” he added.)

Mr. Iger’s own narrative had been written to a neat conclusion. Now, his legacy will probably be defined in the unexpected sequel of one of the great American companies fighting for its life.

And Disney’s endlessly troublesome question of succession — which had finally, for a couple of weeks, seemed settled — may be open again. One person close to the company said Mr. Iger assured Mr. Chapek that the extraordinary circumstances would be taken into consideration in the board’s evaluation of Mr. Chapek’s performance. But in reality, two hard, unpredictable years will determine if he can hold the job. Two other executives who were passed over for Mr. Chapek — Kevin Mayer and Peter Rice — remain at the company. Nobody knows when Americans will go to the movies again, much less get on cruise ships.
And nobody knows when — or whether — Mr. Iger will have another moment to leave on top.
 
That is what I've read, however it appears that while they patched things up, the families never did. That was a direct result in what happened between Roy E. and Ron. Years later, Roy was talking to Diane about a bit she was doing for one of his productions, and he mentioned the "idiot nephew" comment. She said that was never mentioned in her household and he believed her. By then - it was way to late. Roy was extremely wealthy with his Shamrock Holdings - it was all about pride with him. Same reason he ousted Eisner.
Yes, seems I recall that the "idiot nephew" originated with Card Walker or his team. No doubt huge egos had a lot to do with the problems, but if you dig deep enough, I betcha money was a big factor.

WED was the sole contractor to The Walt Disney Company (publicly traded) for engineering and construction management, and it was privately owned by Walt. And WED had only one customer, which was TWDC. As the CEO of both companies, Walt could (and did) negotiate how much work TWDC bought from WED, and at what price.

I'm sure that the Roy side felt (with some justification) that Uncle Walt used WED to siphon money from TWDC to his own private company. The Roy side had no equity in WED, only in TWDC.
 
https://nypost.com/2023/07/31/what-espn-really-wants-from-new-partner-who-are-the-favorites/

What ESPN really wants from a new partner — and who the favorites are
Andrew Marchand
7/31/23 - 6:00 AM EDT

The strategic partner for ESPN is expected to come from the tech world — with companies such as Apple, Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Verizon and T-Mobile all on the radar, The Post has learned.

While those companies are all possibilities, the list does not end there. There is some level of interest from most of the major tech world.

The tech platforms are the clear direction Disney/ESPN is looking for as it seeks a minority investment, which Disney CEO Bob Iger first discussed publicly earlier this month in an interview with CNBC.

ESPN/Disney’s main motive is to improve distribution when it takes the full ESPN product direct-to-consumer, which sources reiterated likely will occur in 2025, but is expected to happen no later than 2026.

When it does occur, ESPN the mothership will remain available on cable television and cord-cutters will be able to stream it directly.

What one of the big tech or mobile companies could offer is improved distribution, which historically is how dominance in media is won, dating back to the first days of the printing press.

ESPN became the most powerful sports network in the world by combining its dual revenue streams of cable fees through national distribution and advertising. With the acceleration of cord cutting, ESPN is now in around 72 million homes.

With each household paying in the neighborhood of $10 per month, the company is still earning three quarters of a billion dollars per month in cable fees. That is still an insane amount of dough, but ESPN was once in more than 100 million homes.

That is why the idea of being pre-loaded onto iPhones or other devices to lead in the next frontier of distribution is appealing to ESPN. Apple is known to be very finickity in its negotiations, but if anyone could close a deal with Apple, it may be Iger, who was on their board.

Apple’s plan in sports is to have global distribution through subscriptions. The company began a 10-year, $2.5 billion deal with MLS this season.

In theory, this objective makes a lot of sense, but acquiring the rights to events — such as the NFL, NBA, MLB and college football — could take decades and there are no guarantees it will even happen.

ESPN already has the most rights deals of any company, which could, in practice, speed up Apple’s timeline. And ESPN would be able to handle the live-event and studio production, a division Apple does not currently have.

Though Apple makes a lot of sense as a partner for ESPN, they are not alone. As CNBC previously reported, ESPN has spoken to major sports leagues including the NFL, NBA and MLB.

Maybe those leagues become an option, but distribution with a small equity stake in ESPN is likely where this will end up.

With Disney probably valuing ESPN in the $40 billion-$50 billion range, it would mean a company would need a $4 billion or $5 billion buy-in for a 10 percent stake in ESPN.

The tech companies are the ones with the keys to distribution and the vaults to pay the entry fee. ESPN has rights to the most major sports programming and the workforce to produce them.

No deal is close, but the tech companies should be considered the favorites.
 
Theatres are in trouble:

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https://www.the-numbers.com/market/

2019 entire year (domestic)
1,228,097,298 tickets sold
$11.25B box office

2023 through July (YTD) (Domestic)
545m tix sold
$5.7b in box office

Edit: corrected current year totals.
 
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2019 had 130 movies released to theatres for the entire year (domestic)
1,228,097,298 tickets sold
$11.25B box office

2023 has had 130 movies released through July (YTD) (Domestic)
880,414,551 tickets sold
$9.27B box office
Revenue sure was climbing before the pandemic hit though, so there still seems to be a ton of money to be made in the box office in 2023 if you get it right. Streaming through Disney+ has lost Disney $4B in the last 12 months.
 
Revenue sure was climbing before the pandemic hit though, so there still seems to be a ton of money to be made in the box office in 2023 if you get it right. Streaming through Disney+ has lost Disney $4B in the last 12 months.
Theatres want more people through the doors so they buy over priced pop and popcorn. They are seeing less people. This decline was happening far before streaming started. Chains and locations have been closing. That is not to say that studios cannot make money, but theatres themselves are on the decline and have been for years.
 
2019 had 130 movies released to theatres for the entire year (domestic)
1,228,097,298 tickets sold
$11.25B box office

2023 has had 130 movies released through July (YTD) (Domestic)
880,414,551 tickets sold
$9.27B box office
Theaters are indeed doing better this year. An average of 102M tickets per month in 2019 but 125M per month so far in 2023. And $938M/month in revenues in 2019 vs. $1.32B/month in 2023 so far. (Even if you remove the IMAX revenues for "Oppenheimer" I bet it's still over $1B.:rotfl2: )

Not as much per movie, but the year-over-year ticket sales and revenues are very encouraging!
 
Theaters are indeed doing better this year. An average of 102M tickets per month in 2019 but 125M per month so far in 2023. And $938M/month in revenues in 2019 vs. $1.32B/month in 2023 so far. (Even if you remove the IMAX revenues for "Oppenheimer" I bet it's still over $1B.:rotfl2: )

Not as much per movie, but the year-over-year ticket sales and revenues are very encouraging!
$10.53 ticket in 2023
$9.16 ticket in 2019

Basically they have crammed in more movies so far this year. Likely back logged from pandemic and need to just release them to make back some of the costs.

Quick math and yes 2023 is ahead of 2019 in domestic ticket sales through July:

2023 545,000,000 (130 releases)
2019 711,600,000 (100 releases)

$1.7B in estimated box office increase vs 2019 but also 30 more movies put out.
 
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View attachment 781826
https://www.the-numbers.com/market/

2019 had 130 movies released to theatres for the entire year (domestic)
1,228,097,298 tickets sold
$11.25B box office

2023 has had 130 movies released through July (YTD) (Domestic)
880,414,551 tickets sold
$9.27B box office
Just to let you know that the 2023 numbers are annualized to the end of the year.

So they are expecting 2019 to end with 880M tickets and $9.27B at the box office. We are still very far off of 2019 levels.

Currently through July we are at $5.7B in box office and 545M tickets sold.
 












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