Difference between the fires and Katrina

[LakeAriel]

It is not lack of compassion like others have said. You can't expect the government to be there seconds after a natural disaster hits and bail you out immediately. It just isn't physically possible. For those that evacuated to shelters without taking basic supplies, again, shame on them. It isn't the governments fault they failed to prepare. The government can only do so much. People that were in shelters without water for 5 days, why didn't they bring water with them. A gallon of water at the store costs a DOLLAR. For 5 dollars they could have had water for 5 days.

Yep. That's it. Carry all your belongings, your babies AND 5 gallons of water to the Superdome..Shame on them! After all ,the government can drop supplies in Iraq, but can't get water to NO..Thank God they figured a way to get water to CA to put out the fires.
Someone lost their job due to the absolute incompetence at FEMA. But it was the victims fault. I saw those dead people sitting rotting in their wheelchairs..Damn, they could have carried dozens of jugs of water.
Think before you post something so ignorant.

 

[LakeAriel]

Southern California is home to a diverse population. While I agree with those that say we are not all wealthy, I temper that with the caveat that there are few areas near the southern california coast with the kind of abject poverty seen in NO. While our per capita income is higher than the national average, the cost of living here keeps us from enjoying a good percentage of that as disposable income.

Southern California cities also lack geographically convenient downtown areas. More often, our cities and counties are comprised of communities that abut one another and cover large areas. For this reason, most californians (i.e., working adults) own cars.

Not one single community directly affected in San Diego has the poverty or crime level of pre-katrina areas of NO. As far reaching as the fires are, there are more people whose homes aren't affected. They have been a wealth of compassion and generosity.

All that being said... it sure it nice to be home again tonight... and not have to set my alarm every hour.


StAY SAFE!

 

[Hannathy]

Yep. That's it. Carry all your belongings, your babies AND 5 gallons of water to the Superdome..Shame on them! After all ,the government can drop supplies in Iraq, but can't get water to NO..Thank God they figured a way to get water to CA to put out the fires.
Someone lost their job due to the absolute incompetence at FEMA. But it was the victims fault. I saw those dead people sitting rotting in their wheelchairs..Damn, they could have carried dozens of jugs of water.
Think before you post something so ignorant.

Why were they even there? and yes you can carry supplies. In an emergency you don't take all your belongings, you take the necessities. They had days and days to get out or to get prepared. So as far as you are concerned there was no personal responsibility in N.O.? the Government should have been total Big Brother? from hour one? I think that is called Cuba and we know how well they are fairing. I think you also need to do some thinking and your post is more ignorant than any other I have read.

 

[Charade]

Yep. That's it. Carry all your belongings, your babies AND 5 gallons of water to the Superdome..Shame on them! After all ,the government can drop supplies in Iraq, but can't get water to NO..Thank God they figured a way to get water to CA to put out the fires.
Someone lost their job due to the absolute incompetence at FEMA. But it was the victims fault. I saw those dead people sitting rotting in their wheelchairs..Damn, they could have carried dozens of jugs of water.
Think before you post something so ignorant.

Is it really ignorant to expect most people (that can) get out when they were told to DAYS before the storm hit? Is it ignorant to except most people (those that can) be just a little prepared to take care of themselves before the government gets there?

It's an honest question. Even if the federal, state and local governments responded in a way that was completely acceptable to you, why shouldn't people head warnings to get out and be prepared beforehand (long before something occurs)? Wouldn't that make the government's job a whole lot easier rescuing people who are truly in need of help. Why do you expect the government to the first responder in times of emergencies?


I don't think it is.

 

[LakeAriel]

Why were they even there? and yes you can carry supplies. In an emergency you don't take all your belongings, you take the necessities. They had days and days to get out or to get prepared. So as far as you are concerned there was no personal responsibility in N.O.? the Government should have been total Big Brother? from hour one? I think that is called Cuba and we know how well they are fairing. I think you also need to do some thinking and your post is more ignorant than any other I have read.

Of course they share some responsibilty. To expect anyone to have to provide water for themselves and their family in a shelter for 5 days is well..ignorant.

 

[Charade]

Of course they share some responsibility. To expect anyone to have to provide water for themselves and their family in a shelter for 5 days is well..ignorant.

It wasn't a shelter. It was a stadium. There was no pre-preparation for it to be one. Otherwise, water and supplies would (or should) have been there waiting for them. When they finally got to Texas (or elsewhere), they were prepared to receive these folks.

 

[jgmklmhem]

Of course they share some responsibilty. To expect anyone to have to provide water for themselves and their family in a shelter for 5 days is well..ignorant.

Ummm actually when I lived in Florida that is exactly what we were told numerous times to do. We were told when going to a shelter to bring 3-5 days worth of supplies for ourselves. Neither the convention center or the superdome were supposed to be shelters and definately not to the extent they were called on to be shelters.

 

[froglady]

Of course they share some responsibilty. To expect anyone to have to provide water for themselves and their family in a shelter for 5 days is well..ignorant.

But if every able bodied person had carried in even ONE gallon each, that would have left more government provided emergency supplies for those who COULDN'T do so. The twenty-something able bodied person with no children who arrived with no food or water was taking it out of the mouths of the children elderly, and disabled. Even one gallon brought in per able bodied person would have stretched the limited resources further.

The guideline is 5 days because planners are realistic enough to know that some people will arrive empty handed, so are hoping for a little extra to share until federal aid, charities, etc can arrive . They just weren't expecting the MAJORITY of people to arrive at the shelters with nothing.

I hate to be brutal, but the people in the Dome were not supposed to be there. They should have either evacuated themselves, or been transported out on those busses. The disaster plan was predicting 50,000 deaths among those who either wouldn't or couldn't evacuate and stayed, so many of them weren't expected to be alive! It was a good news/bad news situation. The good news is that you survived the storm; the bad news is that we didn't expect you to, so we don't have any food or water for you.

 

[LuvDuke]

I love how threads like this bring out the Planet Bush people. It serves as a good reminder of what life is like on Planet Bush.

Hell, the Planet Bush response to this thread could be even be classified as a public service.

 

[meandtheguys2]

Ummm actually when I lived in Florida that is exactly what we were told numerous times to do.

Living in So. Cal, that was a normal addition to the earthquake preparedness kit.

 

[Charade]

I love how threads like this bring out the Planet Bush people.

You mean the people with some common sense?

 

[Mr. Sunshine]

A gallon of water weighs 8 pounds. It would be tough to cart 40 pounds of water anywhere, especially without a car, unless you can get ahold of that dehydrated water. It's much lighter and more portable.

 

[Charade]

A gallon of water weighs 8 pounds. It would be tough to cart 40 pounds of water anywhere, especially without a car, unless you can get ahold of that dehydrated water. It's much lighter and more portable.

"Just add water..."

 

[LuvDuke]

You mean the people with some common sense?

Ahhh, NO.

The "24%" .............. Cherish them.

 

[LakeAriel]

Ahhh, NO.

The "24%" .............. Cherish them.

One in four is far too many to be so heartless..and they are mostly the same people who think they have a monopoly on heaven...If I would have to spend eternity with them, I'll pass.

 

[Charade]

One in four is far too many to be so heartless..and they are mostly the same people who think they have a monopoly on heaven...If I would have to spend eternity with them, I'll pass.

Heartless??? Please... indeed.

You convienently avoid my question.


Is it really ignorant to expect most people (that can) get out when they were told to DAYS before the storm hit? Is it ignorant to except most people (those that can) be just a little prepared to take care of themselves before the government gets there?

It's an honest question. Even if the federal, state and local governments responded in a way that was completely acceptable to you, why shouldn't people head warnings to get out and be prepared beforehand (long before something occurs)? Wouldn't that make the government's job a whole lot easier rescuing people who are truly in need of help. Why do you expect the government to the first responder in times of emergencies?

 

[JMD]

Ahhh, NO.

The "24%" .............. Cherish them.

What does this have to do with Bush's approval ratings?

 

[Charade]

What does this have to do with Bush's approval ratings?

It doesn't but she loves to toss into every converstation that has "Bush" in it.

 

[LakeAriel]

Heartless??? Please... indeed.

You convienently avoid my question.


Is it really ignorant to expect most people (that can) get out when they were told to DAYS before the storm hit? Is it ignorant to except most people (those that can) be just a little prepared to take care of themselves before the government gets there?

It's an honest question. Even if the federal, state and local governments responded in a way that was completely acceptable to you, why shouldn't people head warnings to get out and be prepared beforehand (long before something occurs)? Wouldn't that make the government's job a whole lot easier rescuing people who are truly in need of help. Why do you expect the government to the first responder in times of emergencies?

I answered this already..Those in a position to, should have evacuated. There were thousands who were not in any position to do so for a variety of reasons..Go back and read the posts. Painting them all as welfare taking, gang banging, rapist hiding in bathrooms, is a little insensitive, don't you think? How about the people in the hospitals that were euthanized for God's sake. How can you, for a minute, excuse the inabilty of FEMA to get water to people for 5 days? There is no excuse.

 

[JMD]

It doesn't but she loves to toss into every converstation that has "Bush" in it.

It really has become predictable. Regardless of the topic, there is guaranteed to be some comment about "Planet Bush" or the "24 percent". Doesn't matter how irrelevant it is to the conversation.